Moral Bankruptcy of Political Leadership in Pakistan

GT "Where is brother hamidm2 these days? "

Let me answer, like I said earlier, he has discovered ALLAH, repented of his dimwitted nonsense, and now spends his days in peaceful contemplation, and charity...

Ideally speaking, Pakistan needs political process without military intervention or involvement, but is that possible given our history, Milbus Inc and external situation? We can blame BB for her inadequate political vision or moral bankruptcy, but that does not alter the fact that PPP is the only true national party in Pakistan that derives support from the ppl and not the masjid.

tahmed writes "And the army's job is to protect the Constitution, and make sure that elected rulers dont then try to overstay their term."

See, this person supports dictatorship but only when the dictators do the bidding of the US. Only in stop gap arrangements preferred by the US, whom this miserable fcuk worships, is that the Army's job. It is not the army's job to have anything to do with a country's political institution. The Army's job is to stay in the barracks and defend the country's borders from external aggression, period. Nothing else.

From Reuters August 1, 2007

He said the Bush administration would still send troops into Iraq if it could do it all over again, even knowing what it knows now, including that more than 3,000 U.S. military personnel would be killed.

"I firmly believe," Cheney said, "that the decisions we've made with respect to Iraq and Afghanistan have been absolutely the sound ones in terms of the overall strategy."
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Now tell me how much "character" is revealed by a person who is excusing the butchering of almost a million people, and the destruction of an entire country in terms of not that country but "overall strategy"? Not only that he says that even knowing this carnage they would do it all over again.

What does he mean by overall strategy, if American actions and inactions have nothing to do with the world, pray tell me tahmed?

Here is what he means by "overall strategy", he has firmly affixed his signature to the document...

tahmed writes "If Pakistani dictators had any character, they would have respected the constitution, and the US (as well as the rest of the world) would in that case be dealing with an elected leader. "

Who are you trying to fool? The US would deal with "elected leaders" just like it dealt with Mossadeq? Or Chavez? That dictators come to power in Pakistan is because of the army, and that army, its leadership, is firmly in the pockets of the US elite, regardless of the general in command. Respecting the constitution? Ha ha, let us start with how much respect for the US constitution the US elite have displayed....

In #37 read "and has a chokehold on the global economic system.... "

as "and has a chokehold on the global economic system.... which it guards through force of arms with a plethora of hundreds of military bases around the globe and threats of war, not to mention its long history of barbaric military adventures in other countries. Only the sickest of perverts will say that all that is or was benign...

tahmed writes "masadi: The fact that I think you are a nut when you think that the "US elite" is behind every problem on earth does not make me a supporter of colonization"

You miserable fool don't try to pervert what I write. The US elite have put in place a neo-colonial structure that has prevented countries coming out of the old colonialism from developing. Only a damn fool or an agenda driven pervert like you would try to understand this world independant of the US when it dominates all international institutions, and has a chokehold on the global economic system....

Regarding your support of coloniazation. You wrote a whole article before the current Iraq war in support of it and laid out many couplets of your hamd o naat for the "Anglo Saxon Ethos" and how privilaged those colonized by them were. Now, like the misrable fcuk that you are, you are trying to cover that up with lies...

tahmed sahib:

Had I read your reply to #14, I would not have posted #35. Well said sir.

Urstruly sahib:

Where is brother hamidm2 these days?

#14 Posted by banneditem:

"In Swat mullahs won simply because of their electoral symbol (the book...quran) and the saying that anyone that doesnt vote for the book is not a muslim. Is that how people decide to pick their leaders and is that the right approach to democracy,"

THE ANSWER IS AN EMPHATIC YES. If you can't accept it then democracy is not for you ... or maybe you could redifine democracy a la Bush and Blair.

In India we have the barbaric Modi ... lot of us do not like it ... but that is what we have to live with ... not accept but fight ... that is democracy. The 'people' will pull you down to the lowest common denominator ... but that is how it is. And when the common man overcomes ... the Modis are swept away ... if not, then tough luck.

Zee Bhai,

Being loyal to ZAB is one thing and keep endorsing bibi's stupidities is quite another. If he has this urge to support a bhutto rather than the ideology itself than maybe fatima bhutto is a better option..wat do u think?

32: was about #19:by Sattar

& this is what the Cantonment Kutta does when he is asked to explain his support for Hiroshima & Nagasaki
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Haaa Haaa Haaa


Submissive

* Ears: Back or flat against the head
* Eyes: Avoids direct eye contact
* Body: Lowered, groveling or rolling, exposing genitals
* Mouth: Corner pulled back, submissive grin
* Tail: Tucked between legs or flat against abdomen
* Behavior: Licks lips or nose, may urinate

glossary:

Submissive
* Ears: Back or flat against the head
* Eyes: Avoids direct eye contact
* Body: Lowered, groveling or rolling, exposing genitals
* Mouth: Corner pulled back, submissive grin
* Tail: Tucked between legs or flat against abdomen
* Behavior: Licks lips or nose, may urinate

Maybe the poor guy has taken an oath of secrecy with that sinister & diabolical ancient secret society to never bite the hand that feeds him.

But he holds the record to be His Master's Voice even off the gramaphone.

There are only two people of any real worth in PPP. One is of-course Aitazaz Ahsan, the other is Jahangir Badar. Aitazaz may leave, but Jahangir Badar won't. He's totally loyal to ZAB.

Raza Rabbani is now on record and several others have said off the record that they will leave PPP ..if there is a deal w/ the dictator. Kudos to them for having a spine

Re: # 18 and the one by abu-safwan

Dear Sirs,
I asked my "naukars son" whom we educated all the way to university a simple question.
Q: What would you do if you were elected as a President/PM of Pakistan?
A: I will ask your grandfather on what to do.

I then repeated the question his repsonse
A: Sir Ji, meh achi jee khoti banasaan ( I will build a house).

With democracy comes responsibility. And please dont compare US political system with Pakistan. US still has to elect some green peace weirdo, but they havent, Bush got re-elected because of one state Ohio. Similarly India has mature insitutions. While Pakistanis can acheive that status it iwill take some time. All I am saying is let Musharraf do it, he is a good guy and means well. Just because he is a bit heavy handed doesnt mean to chop his hands off, he got the slap all will be well.
Just like in Pakistan when there is a roadside minor accident and people start hitting the bad guy, someone from the crowd comes to the rescue saying
"choR do ji, rayn diyo, bichara ghareeb admi hi, maaf kar dau"

ppp is actually a bigger dictatorship, internally, than even the army.......all ppp members and sh#t scared of benazir....i have seen them act like that in person......she rules over them like a queen...she, solely, decides who gets a party ticket, and who doesn't......she decides, solely, the complete party policy.......

......it is a one man show......or one woman show......

.......when she is not around, she appoints nincampoops like the current sindhi feudal as the head of the party, evern though far more capable individuals like aitezaz ahsan are available.....the reason being she fears the later will gain influence.......

........ppp is really the only true anti-establishment party in pakistan.....it is, infact, the only true national party in pakistan.......its leaders have gone to jail etc. on multiple occassions, yet stick with the party....it has a very loyal voter base, which is very anti-army.....

.......it is truly going to see what its leaders and votebase will do, if bb makes a deal with musharraf......to give an example, its most senior leader in punjab, gilani spent four years in jail, without being convicted, because he would not join musharraf's govt.......another major sindhi leader and its finance minsiter, naveed qamar, spent over two years in jail, for same reasons and was then declared innocent......aitezaz ahsan led the fight against musharraf in the cj case......

i wonder what these guys will do, if bb makes a deal.....they must be extremely angry.......