Science and the Islamic world --- The quest for rapprochement

What a nice guy/statesman Musharraf is, he rejected
imposing emergency and marcial law.
Some of the hateful Pakistanis are unnecessarily berating
him, like those Pundit Hate Indians are berating ...

#606 shishapa: my parents and grandparents fled for their lives too from india in 1947. so save your sad melodies for bollywood.

When your grandparents and parents were living
amongst use, we either killed them or coverted or
kicked them out without remorse just because they
were different than us in only one aspect but you are
welcome to visit as a visitor so we will be nice to
you and/so say how nice we are.

#603 Posted by tahmed32 on August 9, 2007 5:42:25 am


on the the realities of Pakistan that thousands of Indians saw for themselves when they actually visited Pakistan.


translation from prophetese to english: we didn't charge visiting Indians cab fare and whatnot so it's ok if we do the jihadi thingy...and we're still on the moral high ground..because I, prophet tahmed(peace be unto my self-righteous left butt cheek), say so...

#601 jang: not being as smart as you, I can only write inanities. Your posts are loaded no doubt with hidden meanings that a mere mortal like me cannot comprehend.

harish_hyd: #594 Actually, given the economic and military realities underlying India-Pakistan relations in point #2 of my post #436, any responsible Indian would give two hoots - and more - about peace and stability within Pakistan. If they are interested in the interests of people in India, i.e., rather than in merely stoking their own tender egos and insecurities.

You quote me saying "They say that the best way to get rid of an enemy is to make it a friend. In Pakistan, India has a historic opportunity today to do exactly this" you respond And why not the other way round? Why can't Pakistan do the same by demonstrating its sincerity of intent by ceasing support for and acting against terrorist groups that act against India? If Pakistan can do so, would there be any reason for India/Indians to hate Pakistan?

My answer is simple: Read point 1 of my post #436 on the the realities of Pakistan that thousands of Indians saw for themselves when they actually visited Pakistan. How does what you say above jive with the realities I present there?

#601 by jang

mohar and giani, what tahmed means is we should laud his inane pontifications on the chowk.com .. that is what he means by how indians should help ;-)

giani

When mush took over - indian gov't refused to deal with him for a while - because of kargil and the fact that he toppled an elected democratic govt... but pakis were livid at the time - jumping up and down as usual accusing indians all sorts of epithets... mushy was their knight in shining armor...

And now suddenly they want indians to "help" them out against same mushy... :)

"Helping" other countries in their internal matters is risky business even in best of circumstance -e.g. srilanka... in case of a paranoid nation like pakiland - there is no chance...

borivili

you have no beef with hinuds? when did that happen ? when daisy-cutter rained down?... :)

As for "atrocities" against muslims - like I said, we may have killed 4000 - but you killed a million and counting... so actually we treating muslims better than you treat your fellow-muslims... we are not even talking about atrocities of your minorities...

if you want a fight, we will give you a fight... the choice is yours really... be peaceful and live ...or be a bedouin and fight till last muslim child[your words]...

#597 by borivili_express

Listen Ganpats We have no beef with you, we are even related to some of you but for us this life is not as dear as the next, and if you don’t stop your atrocities on muslims we will fight you till either we or u make an exit because according to islam there is no country which can surrender the rights of all muslims.

Yaar Borivili, we sympathize with you. You said for you this life is not as important as the next. We're doing our best helping you transition to the next life.

Listen Ganpats We have no beef with you, we are even related to some of you but for us this life is not as dear as the next, and if you don’t stop your atrocities on muslims we will fight you till either we or u make an exit because according to islam there is no country which can surrender the rights of all muslims.

Correction:

My post #595 was in response to #522 by tahmed.

594 Posted by harish_hyd

[They say that the best way to get rid of an enemy is to make it a friend. In Pakistan, India has a historic opportunity today to do exactly this, per what I wrote in bold at the end.]

As Urstruly will tell you, there is no PERMANENT way to make friends with Muslims as a community. On an individual level - ecrtainly. But not as a group.

Islam teaches them to make friends and be humble when things are inconvenient. But when the going is good - their true colors come out - the emphasis is then on assimilation and coercion of non-Muslims.

#522 by tahmed32

No doubt the US terrorist list LeT. It also includes Modi, elected Chief Minister of Gujerat. Does this mean that the US is going to be concerned with LeT or Modi in the same manner as it is wrt al Qaeda?

Umm..OK, so a single individual Modi being declared a persona non grata by the US is sufficient for you to equate it with the entire country of Pakistan coming close to being declared a terrorist state?

As for the US not being as concerned with the LeT as it is with the US, are you just dumb or are you pretending to be so? It is because the Al Qaeda claimed responsibility for 9/11.

Thus, for policy makers in the US (as in any other country) the prime concern is domestic security.

And your point is? If it weren't for Paki terrorist groups' operations inside India, we would give two hoots to what the LeT or the JeM are upto inside Pakistan.

They say that the best way to get rid of an enemy is to make it a friend. In Pakistan, India has a historic opportunity today to do exactly this, per what I wrote in bold at the end.

And why not the other way round? Why can't Pakistan do the same by demonstrating its sincerity of intent by ceasing support for and acting against terrorist groups that act against India? If Pakistan can do so, would there be any reason for India/Indians to hate Pakistan?

#592 Posted by giani_240

[Some of the interactors were not even born when partition took place. So why the hatred?]

Why the hatred between

a) Muslims and non-Muslims in Thailand?
b) Muslims and non-Muslims in China?
c) Muslims and non-Muslims in Australia?
d) Muslims and non-Muslims in Netherlands?
e) Muslims and non-Muslims in UK?
f) Muslims and non-Muslims in Germany?
g) Muslims and non-Muslims in France?
h) Muslims and non-Muslims in Greece?
i) Muslims and non-Muslims in Malta?
j) Muslims and non-Muslims in Bosnia?
k) Muslims and non-Muslims in Russia?
l) Muslims and non-Muslims in USA?
m) Muslims and non-Muslims in Belgium?
n) Muslims and non-Muslims in Israel?
o) Muslims and non-Muslims in Spain?
p) Muslims and non-Muslims in India?
q) Muslims and non-Muslims in Bangladesh?
r) Muslims and non-Muslims in Canada?
.
.
.
Muslims and non-Muslims anywhere else?

Answer: Read the koran. (you can also read Paki elementary school texbooks).