A Pakistani-American in India

thank you to all the indians who wished us a happy independence and congrats to all my fellow pakis.

Zindabad.

dost mittar the difference btw indians and pakistanis wanting peace (indians want more peace) is proportionally the same difference between the two wanting war (indians want more war)....so what does it mean? Pakistanis want neither war nor peace and indians want both war and peace?
Clearly stats are not going to help us explain and stereotype the diverse views held in both countries.

tahmed#544:

"this is yet another proof of the lying and/or delusional little twit that you are. (Dost Mittar to please note this as yet another example of what I tried to tell you)."

Yes, I have noted this and also noted where you learnt about the primitive hindu culture ;).

Not all arjun's posts are irrelevant. The latest (#549) disproves your notion about who wants more to have friendly relations. Frankly, this surprised me too:
"A whopping 67 per cent of Indian respondents said the two countries should forget their past and work towards a friendly future. The view was shared by only 44.2 per cent in Pakistan."

#547 Posted by Ras on August 14, 2007 8:20:15 am


Many of the interacts are reflective of 60 years wasted by Pakistanis and Indians fighting.


hate to rain in on the why-cant-we-get-along-bhai-bhai parade...but the interacts here accurately reflect indian public opinion about the land of the pure..and attitude driven by the whole islamic terrorism and kashmir thing..



This is from DAWN

http://www.dawn.com/2007/08/14/top1.htm


The survey showed a majority of urban Pakistanis do not want to see Kashmir’s accession to India. Forty-eight per cent of the respondents favoured the merger of the disputed territory with their country while 47 per cent want to see Kashmir as an independent state.

The response showed that 57 per cent people in India wanted continuation of the CBMs without resolution of the Kashmir dispute. On the other hand, 55 per cent of Pakistanis believe that Pakistan-India friendship is not possible without the resolution of the issue.

While more people in Pakistan (80.7pc) than in India (78.4pc) said that the two countries should resolve their issues through negotiations, almost twice the number of people in India (16pc) than in Pakistan (9pc) felt that war was the only solution to the problems between the two states.
A whopping 67 per cent of Indian respondents said the two countries should forget their past and work towards a friendly future. The view was shared by only 44.2 per cent in Pakistan.

On the issue of trade, almost half of Pakistanis and 64 per cent of Indians feel that the two countries should promote greater bilateral trade.

Surprisingly, despite having a yearning for good relations, a majority of Indians and Pakistanis do not want to visit the other country. As many as 60 per cent of the Indians do not want to visit Pakistan and 61 per cent Pakistanis say that they do not have a desire to go to India.



Indian Kashmir is part of India...pakis..get over it..if you want to make all dealings contingent upon india giving you indian kashmir, ain't happening...

And the indian public isn't really interested in people-to-paki contacts..for them, pakiland is only relevant because of it's number one export: IT..islamic terrorism..without that, pakiland would be west bangladesh to mot indians...

Further to#546:

According to the Pakistan Census of 1998, the proportion of non-muslims in both Punjab and Sindh is about the same as it was in 1951, so, prima facie, there is no evidence of any mass exodus of minorities from either of those two provinces.

Happy Independence Day!

For the full article with pictures please visit

http://www.siliconeer.com/past_issues/2007/siliconeer_august_2007.html#Ancho r---DIASPO-56932


Many of the interacts are reflective of 60 years wasted

by Pakistanis and Indians fighting. Maybe the next 60 years

will prove to be better?

Best wishes to all Indians and Pakistanis. Azadi Mubarak..


From Faiz Ahmed Faiz Sahib,
May he rest in Peace......


Subh-e-Aazaadii

Ye daagh daagh ujaalaa, ye shab-gaziida sahar,
Vo intizaar thaa jis-kaa, ye vo sahar to nahiiN,
Ye vo sahar to nahiiN jis-kii aarzu lekar
Chale the yaar ke mil-ja`egi kahiiN na kahiN
Falak ke dasht meN taroN kii aakhiri manzil,
KahiN to hogaa shab-e sust mauj kaa sahil,
KahiN to jaake rukegaa safiina-e-gham-e-dil.

JawaaN lahu kii pur-asraar shaahrahoN se
Chale jo yaar to daaman pe kitne hath paRe;
Diyaar-e-husn kii be-sabr khwaabgaahoN se
Pukaarti-rahiiN baahen, badan bulaate-rahe;
Bahut 'aziiz thii lekin rukh-e-sahar ki lagan,
Bahut qariin thaa hasiinaN-e-nuur kaa daaman, ,
Subuk subuk thii tamannaa, dabii dabii thii thakan.
Sunaa hai ho bhii chukaa hai firaaq-e-zulmat-o-nuur,
Sunaa hai ho bhii chukaa hai visaal-e-manzil-o-gaam;
Badal-chukaa hai bahut ahl-e-dard kaa dastuur,
Nishaat-e-vasl halaal o 'azab-e-hijr haraam.
Jigar kii aag, nazar kii umang, dil kii jalan,
kisii pe chaara-e-hijraaN kaa kuchh asar hii nahiiN.
KahaaN se aa'ii nigaar-e-sabaa, kidhar ko ga'ii?
Abhii charaagh-e-sar-e-rah ko kuchh khabar hii nahiiN;
Abhii giraanii-e-shab meN kamii nahiiN aa'ii,
Najaat-e-diidaa-o-dil ki ghaRii nahiiN aa'ii;
Chale-chalo ke vo manzil abhii nahiiN aa'ii

subhashjoshi:

Where did you get the figure of 15% of Hindus in Pakistan? What year and area does this figure refer to? According to the 1941 census of undivided India, the proportion of non-muslims was 25% in West Punjab and 29% in Sindh (mostly hindus in Sindh and hindus+sikhs in Punjab). And the 15% figure could not relate to 1951 either; in that year, according to the Pakistan census, these proportions were less than 3% in Punjab (now mostly christians) and 8% in Sindh (still mostly Hindusa).

So, where did the 15% come from?

Disclaimer: These figures are from googled sources and not directly from the Census. So, if someone has access to direct census figures, please correct any errors.

zeemax#504:

Thanks for the response. I was, of course, asking about the sharia. I was quite aware of the situation in Pakistan. I am also aware that the Mughal armies had Hindu soldiers and generals in it.

The question arose because I have read different versions of sharia. Some people have stated that jazia was imposed for the military protection of the minorities who did not serve in the army (the more common interpretation being that it was a substitute for zakah although there are also people who have argued that the substitute for zakah was dhoraib or somethting like that). Others had stated that they could serve but could not ride a horse. Some had even suggested that early sultans in India had forbidden khshatriyas from bearing arms. Hence the question.

Thanks, again.

arjun: On unplugged I see you posted your psychological profile (pretending to be shocked), and confirmed that profile by providing this latest piece of hindu-bs: "no wonder there aren't any paki profs in US universities".

this is yet another proof of the lying and/or delusional little twit that you are. (Dost Mittar to please note this as yet another example of what I tried to tell you).

zeemax #540: I think you do exactly what arjun would love to see all Pakistanis do when you call America the enemy. I dont see any mainstream Americans coming to chowk to ridicule Pakistanis. I see only Indians. So, get smart and distinguish between those who bear a spite against you and those who mean you no harm.

Re: # 539 arjun

Iska matlab...60 saal tak g***d sataaney ka koi fayda nahin hua?

#540 Posted by zeemax on August 14, 2007 6:10:14 am

haha..why don't you actually walk the talk then and pull support for the war on islamic terrorists, huh? Just stop using artillery and helicopter gunships to bomb paki citizens...

i dare you...i double dog dare you...

talk is cheap, especially when the parliamentary proceedings don't amount to a hill of beans in the land of the pure..you can call for al-jihad all you want while your army i being leaned on to use white phosphorus against the momin..

#539,

This post shows the ch'tyapa of hindoos. When there are calls for Jihad against america going on in the National Assembly, this moron thinks he's putting down Pakistan by saying 37% americans consider Pakistan an enemy.

Arrey Bhai, close to 100% Pakistanis consider america an enemy.

But monkeys will be monkeys.

hello prophet tahmed(pbuh)..

Did you read the latest poll? 37% of Americans thinks Pakiland is an enemy..

http://www.angus-reid.com/polls/index.cfm/fuseaction/viewItem/itemID/ 16849

Britain Best Friend, Pakistan Worse for Americans

Bharat squatting ... and killing ... and squatting ... and killing ... and squatting.

Hindoo customs of squatting and killing are now legendary: Squat Hindus Squat ...

Killing for 'Mother' Kali

Monday, Jul. 22, 2002 By ALEX PERRY ATAPUR
For the magic to work, the killing had to be done just right. If the goddess were to grant Khudu Karmakar the awesome powers he expected from a virgin's death, the victim had to be willing, had to know what was happening, watch the knife, and not stop it. But even tranquilizers couldn't lull 15-year-old Manju Kumari to her fate. In his police confession, Karmakar says his wife, daughter and three accomplices had to gag Manju and pin her down on the earthen floor before the shrine. In ritual order, Karmakar wafted incense over her, tore off her blue skirt and pink T shirt, shaved her, sprinkled her with holy water from the Ganges and rubbed her with cooking fat. Then chanting mantras to the "mother" goddess Kali, he sawed off Manju's hands, breasts and left foot, placing the body parts in front of a photograph of a blood-soaked Kali idol. Police say the arcs of blood on the walls suggest Manju bled to death in minutes.

Human sacrifice has always been an anomaly in India. Even 200 years ago, when a boy was killed every day at a Kali temple in Calcutta, blood cults were at odds with a benign Hindu spiritualism that celebrates abstinence and vegetarianism. But Kali is different. A ferocious slayer of evil in Hindu mythology, the goddess is said to have an insatiable appetite for blood. With the law on killing people more strictly enforced today, ersatz substitutes now stand in for humans when sacrifice is required. Most Kali temples have settled on large pumpkins to represent a human body; other followers slit the throats of two-meter-tall human effigies made of flour, or of animals such as goats.

In secret ceremonies, however, the grizzly practice lives on. Quite simply, say the faithful�known as tantrics�Kali looks after those who look after her, bringing riches to the poor, revenge to the oppressed and newborn joy to the childless. So far this year, police have recorded at least one case of ritual killing a month. In January, in the southern state of Andhra Pradesh, a 24-year-old woman hacked her three-year-old son to death after a tantric sorcerer supposedly promised unlimited earthly riches. In February, two men in the eastern state of Tripura beheaded a woman on the instructions of a deity they said appeared in their dreams promising hidden treasures. Karmakar killed Manju in Atapur village in Jharkhand state in April. The following month, police dug up the remains of two sisters, aged 18 and 13, in Bihar, dismembered with a ceremonial sword and offered to Kali by their father. Last week on the outskirts of Bombay, maize seller Anil Lakshmikant Singh, 33, beheaded his neighbor's nine-year-old son to save his marriage on the advice of a tantric. Said Singh: "He promised that a human sacrifice would end all my miseries."

Far from ancient barbarisms that refuse to die, sacrifice and sorcery are making a comeback. Sociologists explain the millions who now throng the two main Kali centers in eastern India, at Kamakhya and Tarapith, as what happens when the rat race that is India's future meets the superstitions of its past. Sociologist Ashis Nandy says: "You see your neighbor doing well, above his caste and position, and someone tells you to get a child and do a secret ritual and you can catch up." Adds mysticism expert Ipsita Roy Chakaraverti: "It's got nothing to do with real mysticism or with spiritualism. It comes down to pure and simple greed." Tarapith in particular is a giant building site of new hotels, restaurants and stalls selling plastic swords and postcards of Kali's severed feet. Judging by the visitors here, Kali appeals to both rich and poor: the rows of SUVs parked outside four-star hotels belong to the ranks of businessmen and politicians lining up with their goats behind penniless pilgrims. ("The blood never dries at Tarapith," whispers one villager.)

There are no human sacrifices at the temple these days. But the mystique of ritual killing is so powerful that even those who actually don't perform it claim to do so. In their camp in the cremation grounds beside the temple, a throng of tantrics tout for business by competing to be as spooky as possible, lining their mud-walled temples with human skulls and telling tall tales of human sacrifice. "I cut off her head," says 64-year-old Baba Swami Vivekanand of a girl he says he raised from birth. "We buried the body and brought the head back, cooked it and ate it." He pauses to demand a $2 donation. "Good story, no?" While most of this is innocent, some followers, like Karmakar, are inevitably emboldened to take their quest for power to the extreme. Karmakar, like many others, was caught. But in the dust-bowl villages of India, where superstition reigns and blood has a dark authority, the question is how many other "holy men" have found that ultimate power still rests in the murderous magic of a virgin sacrifice.

(accompanying photo is:http://img.timeinc.net/time/asia/magazine/2002/0729/human_sacrifice.jpg)

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#517 Posted by borivili_express

enough nuclear weapons must be built to wipe this cruel and primitive cult of Hinduism of this planet.

Good idea. I'm all for it.

But, alternatively, just deprive them of tetoron trousers and yellow sneakers and they'll all die off anyway.