Wars of Errors

I think IB has spoken well. I would just like to add this:
America is a super power, kedarnath ji, and a super power would do everything and anything to remain that. Do not underestimate America's think tank.

And well Iram i hope these efforts do bring us some good..but the problem is, it's just us public discussing these issues and sadly public is not the government.

The War against Afghanistan has helped India so why should India object at all?
But things will change in future ; it would be good for Pakistan and Afghanistan
as there is a feeling of forgiveness between both Pakistanis and the Talik Bloc
(Turkey is playing a role of a true brother and has given guarantees) - economically
stable Afghanistan would be a asset - this thinking apart from active intellegence
within Afghanistan from our Intellegence Agencies has worked out to be a combination.


1) Kingdom of Saudia Arabia(s) is home to more then 10million economic
migrants - 1/3 of them the so-called 'non-believers' . There system is
a mixture of tribal and Islamic system because it is not just another
Islamic country but is the most important Islamic Country.
The treatment to non-believers is to me very fair - Saudi's have allowed
the Non-Muslim Ladies in certain areas to drive, wear skirts and even drink
and gamble at there will. At a same time Shurta's * the Islamic Police *
never stopped anyone to worship in the comfort of there houses.
Kindly visit Saudia Arabia first to make judge the Saudia Society. Obviously
there is lot of pitfalls and loopholes still left to be filled especially with
the system of 'kafeel's' (Saudi Sponsor's Right on Migrants)

2) Malaysia is not a Islamic country but a Muslim one - and they want
to be a Muslim Country . Majority is always right , mijority do not
want to be blackmailed by former(s) again. Apart from this Malay's
does not discriminate - theres a open policy of merit in government jobs.

3) The kidnapping of Hindu Women and Businessman in Sind is nothing new -
and is regrettable and for your kind information this kidnapping is not
religously motivated but Muslims are targeted more then minorities in Pakistan.
The Govt. becomes more active in persuing cases if minorities are targeted in
Pakistan unlike India.

4) The imposition of Sharia by Muslims was a wrong move Islamically.
Sharia Law could only be imposed in a Muslim Majority Nation - and that
to if the State offers a welfare system and population is economically
sound ( Saudia Arabia , Kuwait and UAE is a good examples ) .
Taliban's Sharia was wrongly imposed as the population were not economically
sound and had to beg for food - a person with empty stomach in extreme need
will resort to stealing at last resort this is not punishable in Shariah while
Talibans cut fingers of such women, children and men.
Here I would like to point the Islamic Courts formed in Somalia
* although the population a poor country * they gave sentences only
to armed robbers, bandits, rapists, muderers - and it was working in
Somalia where crime rates went down sharply - but the US saw the system
as a threat and prevoked and helped a neighbouring country to lauch a offensive
against Somalia.

We in Pakistan and Muslim world are attached and feel the pain of each
other - which is a good thing. As far as Militry Rule is concerned -
I think Mushraff has done a fairly good job.
As far as East Pakistan Episode is concerned , I too wish that Justice
Hamood-ur-Rehman Suggestions be implemented ; its a pity.
As far as Two Nation Theory is concerned its still intact - it would have
been wiped off when Bangladesh would have decided to join Indian Federation.
Bangladesh is now a Islamic Republic - with not good relations with India.

US , India alliance suits both countries - US and India sees China as
a threat in future . When China finishes her 'non-confrontation policy'
and starts to inforce her will both countries will be in further pressure.
China happens to be the only country to shot down a US Spy plane while not
at war ; this shows China's no non-sense attitude. I had been lucky enough to
visit China in 1997,2001,2006 and had discussions with many of China'a elite
Communist Party members and Think tanks including with some up comming young
members - there were off the opinion of US upgrading India against China. On your
side of the border *India* your ex-defence minister Fernendes (ex-communist) branded
China as enemy number One ; India talks with China failed twice and there is a hell lot
of mistrust between the two. Chinese Ambassador to India Sun Yuxi (someone who has family
terms with for over two generations) check his record and you would know whats happening.

Chinese treatment to Muslims in South has improved - Chinese had given them a huge
economic package and things are improving.
(i am not one of those to come up against a list of own questions against India)

IB #s1&5:

Yup! as #4 said it is nothing more than apologies from Muslims in denial. Yes, I agree that there are injustices in the world and some against Muslims but then there are injustices by Muslims against non-Muslims and Muslims and how come you people never get so riled up about that. Let's start with Afghanistan and Iraq. Most non-Muslim countries (India, Russia, China, France, Germany, Latin America, East Asia, Scandinavia, Canada) have condemned the War against Iraq and have taken no part in it. For example, it was the second time in Indian Parliamentary history that the entire 544 members of Lok Sabha voted in unanimity to condemn the war on Iraq comprising diverse backgrounds like Shiv Sena, Jamaat-i-Islam, Communists, you name it. It just so happens that India like other non-Muslim countries don't have the strength to take on the Anglo-Saxon attackers. If you (Muslim world) have a way of repulsing the attackers then by all means go ahead.

On the other hand most of us non-Muslims (including myself) have supported the war on Afghanistan. If you don't like the retaliation then the simple solution is that don't go around attacking anyone else. The average Afghan may not have indulged in terrorist activities but then they should not have allowed others to let their country become a base for terrorists.

However, since you are used to crying "Bechara Musalman" how about when Musalmans make others becharas.

1) How many Muslims have protested against the Saudi mistreatment of non-Muslims in their country? Non Muslims not even allowed to worship their own god in their own homes.

2) The supposedly progressive (by Islamic standards) Malaysia discriminates against non-Muslims with Islam as the state religion. Why no protests by Ummah against that?

3) The kidnapping of Hindu women in Sindh? How come you are not complaining about that?

4) The imposition of Sharia by the Muslim controlled military rulers in Nigeria even though the majority population is non-Muslim.

You Pakistanis always seem to be getting your undies in a know claiming Muslims are persecuted everywhere. How come you people have never resisted your own military rulers? Arent' they denying you your fundamental rights. How come no one has been ever persecuted for the genocide of 3 million in East Pakistan.

Finally, your last comment about India and China made no sense. How India, China and the US deal with each other is their business and their future. How come you sound sympathetic to China that has been killing Uighur Muslims or maybe they don't count as Muslims.

Re: # 3
'its dangerous to be America's enemy but fatal to his friend' Ayub Khan
With due respect to everyone who died on 9/11 but who really started the war would be a good discussion.
What OBL did was wrong but what US did post-9/11 is 'terrorism at a greater scale'. The war in Afghanistan , Iraq has resulted in deaths of more then 1 million people. Two Wrong does not make One Right!
I migration from Iraq to neighbouring countries is at time high ; migration from Southern Afghanistan is at all time high ; poppy cultivation in Afghanistan post 9/11 is at all time high which is effecting kids in the West.
I was part of the UN delegation policing in Bosnia for a year , I had seen the suffering and brutalities of war. A whole generation of Bosnian Muslims were slaughtered by others (it was like the killing of Jews ; on a bigger scale then Gujrat, India ) . UN acted too late - stopped KSA and Pakistani Arms supply to Bosnians because of this injustice Bosnian Muslims are Radicalized and are helping Muslims in Chechniya and others. Saudi's are investing in Bosnia heavily.
Come to Chechniya, Putin is on them like a hound ; US has stepped backwards. Come to Palestine , you stopped fundind to a elected government (how bad or radical it might be ) force the President of Palestine to desolve assembilies . Where are principles?
Come to Afghanistan - even your puppet Hamid Karzai is screaming at ISAF forces to stop colletral damage - of which at least 22,000 Afghans died (all innocent). Come to Kashmir and we see our government in Pakistan keeps quite on brutalities on Indian Forces - our whole Western Borders are unsafe - go to Uzbikestan and the dictator is given the license by US and Russia to wipe out anyone who oppose him. Azerbijan of today is hub of American Oil Company's slowly occupying all of Azerbijan's Oil Assets.
Indonasia , Malaysia are pressured by Australians to go down hard on Islamists - due to which for ever arrest of one person for Jamat-e-Islami - 100 Islamists are formed.
India is armed once again against China ; US will ask them to install missile defence shield in times to come and we will see what will happen then!

More apologia from faithful muslims.

The war in Afghanistan is a right one. USA did not start the war, the war started when Osama and his ilk residing in Afghanistan masterminded the 9/11 attack. Ofcourse a befitting reply had to be given to the cowards who murdered innocents.

War on error has taken away any attention that Darfur might have deserved from the British Pakistani guided youth.

It's a intresting piece. I happened to be in Barcelona , Catlonia (Spain) in one of those bars in La'Rambla where I met a group of young Catalans who had understanding of Muslim resistance against West (I did checked if they were from RTA and they were not ) and same goes with my mates back in Birmingham and Manchester. There is some sense of understanding!
You forgot to mention the suffering of our brothers/sisters in Indian Held Kashmir - who are ignored even by brothers and sisters in Azad Kashmir and rest of Pakistan.