What about Bombay 1992?

Angry Indian Muslims conducted the Bombay Bombings.. most of them Gujratis Memon -
it' was out of anger - and nothing else!

Re: # 133

borivili bhaiyya,

Police do not care whether it is hindu or muslim. Most of them consider the use of danda and violence as the only way to police and ensure order in a communally tense situation.

Most of them care for their jobs only. Some times they kill more hindus than muslims while supressing riots. Riots are a sar-dard for them because it takes away the fun of regular policing. So they ensure that those who are shouting too much get the danda they deserve- and un fortunately the Rage-Boys amongst muslims are in plenty. Especially with the testrone high chants of jihad and killing of kafirs the illiterate muslims come out more often at the behest of the mullahs.

Most of the riots get started by these muslim goons who are high on jehad- especially after Friday namaz sermons.

They kill or stab some one , retaliation happens and then the cycle of revenge follows that culminate in mob violence.

It is wrong to say that ONLY muslims get killed in riots- the ratio is some thing like 40 -60 in most of them.

ek aur baat tu kehta hai ki pakistan ke school mein hinduon ke khilaf bharkate hain but RSS/VHPbjp school in India only brainwash, according to report these school are increasing so more gujraats,

many hindus on chowk also from these schools

AJZ,

Dear writer, great article, do keep writing. But your query remains unanswered, why has there been no justice for the victims of 1992?

A laddu mere pass itna vakt nahi hai is liye jaldi baat karke ja raha hoo, tu bar bar zameen maangta hai mandir ke liye, mein tujhe zameen dunga tu pehle ye batah why in every riot, aligar, meerut, moradabad, bhaaulpur, gujrats is the police killing muslims in their houses and even masjids, in bombay they are evn giving ma behen galis on police radio with recordings. they are leading mobs thereare even photos of police watching as riots and killings are happening,

how can any case go to court police is destroying all the evidence, killing/threatning witness, not even registering FIR is india democracy or mobocracy, you say pakistan is bad but in pakistan there is shia minority and ahmedis and hindus also but police is not killing and rioting

and your judge dont decide case of muslim for 20 25 years do
you hindus hate muslims? how can their be one country this is not possible even in saat janams

Hindus

#131 Posted by laddu

While there are fundamentalist Christian movements in the US, the main controversy is between the atheists and religious people (of all religions) - not between Christianity and non-Christianity.

This is hard for Muslims to comprehend.

clifton bi,

1. American constitution is a secular one- it only pays lip service to the God and was just for consumption of the conservative at the time it was being promulgated. There is a sizable number of people who want this reference to one God eliminated now. This passing refernce to one God cannot be compared to the "Islamic Principles" that the constitution of Pakistans requires adherence to for all its laws and acts.
2. This is wrong in present day India where muslim vote bank is a sizable one to decide the fate of the government.Muslim votes ,as a minority, COUNTS.
3. The recent changes only provides some relief, that does not SUBSTANTIALLY change the position of minorities.
4. Money principle would remain till the time Shariat is considered as some sort of an ideal state laws that Pakistan has to look to. For that you have to CONFRONT the mullahs.

laddu
1. christianity is the state religion in ameirca too ...which means in the same way as pakistan there is a supremacy of one God, idolatory is not considered equal to monotheism.
2. seperate electorates is what muslims wanted in india they are actually to protect the minority. Pakistan is 99% muslim believe me in the general elections noone would bother courting the minorirty vote its worthless, this way there is a fixed representation of minorities ....obviously they cant get two votes which is why they cant vote muslim and also nonmuslim.
3. the rape laws have changed in pakistan ...we have discovered DNA evidence, this is now a moot point.
4. i agree with you on the death - money principle that should absolutely be changed.

#123 BJ, The question of anybody "teaching" anybody else or even anybody "needing to learn" anything does not arise. Why do you assume that any "teaching" or "learning" must necessarily be involved in any interaction between Pakistani & Indian Muslims?

Also, my friend, before you start foaming at the mouth, kindly read my interact #51.

Clifton bi,

Religious minorities are alienated and deprived of equal access to justice in other ways. For instance, if a Muslim kills a non-Muslim, the perpetrator may compensate the victim’s family monetarily. If a non-Muslim kills a Muslim, however, the perpetrator faces prison or the death penalty. Sharia courts are also inherently discriminatory against non-Muslims. The Federal Sharia Court (FSC) ensures that all legislative acts and judicial pronouncements, including those of the Supreme Court, are compatible with Islamic law. Additionally, three of the eight appointed members of the court need not even be professional judges. According to Asma Jehagir, Chairperson of the Human Rights Commission of Pakistan, the structure of the sharia courts is evidence that, "The government wants to impose a Taliban-style theocratic rule in Pakistan."

The logic of Pakistan constitution's adherence to "principles of Islam" takes us to Shariah. And shariah is the construct of the mullahs.

So Pakistan's foundations are rightly claimed by the mullahs.

There can not bre any equality of treatment for minorities unless this Islamic principles is ERASED, I emphasize- "ERASED", from the constitution of Pakistan.

On June 28, 2001, the Supreme Court ruled that non-Muslims may vote for any candidate at the Union Council level for seats reserved for mayor, deputy mayor, laborers, farmers, and women. However, non-Muslims still are barred from voting for Muslim candidates who run for general seats. Three of the five rounds of elections already had occurred prior to this ruling. Few non-Muslims are active in the country's mainstream political parties. Christian and Hindu leaders conducted a boycott to protest against the system of separate electorates during the local elections.

Clifton bi,

Take for example special rules of evidence that apply in Hadd cases, which discriminate against non-Muslims. For example, a non-Muslim may testify only if the victim also is non-Muslim. Likewise, the testimony of women, Muslim or non-Muslim, is not admissible in cases involving Hadd punishments. Therefore, if a Muslim man rapes a Muslim woman in the presence of women or non-Muslim men, he cannot be convicted under the Hudood Ordinances.

The discrimination against non muslims is part of the agenda of mullah Islam that is embeded in the constitution of Pakistan.

"I have shown you extensively how the constitution of pakistan has pledged EQUALITY for minorities "

This is again a false statement.

Because it may appear that the constitution provides for equality, but other parts of coherence with "Islamic principles" ensures that Hudood is equally applicable on idolator hindus.
Even Ahmedis are targetted by the Pakistani laws which are not considerd ultra vires to the so called constitutional guarantess because the other part of constitution calls for adherence to "Islamic principles"

And pray, what are these "Islamic principles" ?

1. One Allah only.
2. His supremacy over other gods.
3. Finality of Prophet.
4. Shariah

So there goes your claim of "equality" , because Islamic principles DOES NOT BELIEVE in equality of idolators or kafirs with muslims.
So, the reality is that in principle your constitution does not believe in equality between kafirs, idolator and muslims.
That is why the logic of "Islamic principle" - which is Shariah - has rightly been asserted by MMA and the mullahs.

Pakistan by no strech of imagination exclude "shariah" out of the guiding principles of Islam.

"mullahs have no place in religious hierachy .."

That is a completely wrong statement. The Qazis, Muftis, Ayotollahs, Maualvis, Sheikhs and all those Islamic "scholars" are indeed respected and their views have great value in cases involving SHARIAH.

They have a great respectful position in any muslim community and their views and opions hold a primacy over other's views. Some times their views are prescriptory but most of the time their views are mandatory and becomes a statutory law within their community of influence.

#120 Okhla99

(Note: Okhla, for the sake of this discussion, let me assume that you are Pakistani Muslim.)

Minorities ANYWHERE, invariably get the short end of the stick. That does not make such treatment right, of course – but there are right ways to oppose such treatment and then there are the WRONG ways to do so.

The means make all the difference.

And BTW my dear, if guys like you truly care for Indian Muslims, the best thing you all can do is to leave them alone! By and large, the Indian Muslims have survived well and even thrived well in that country. They owe you guys NOTHING!

Your country’s hostile policies toward India – its constant hammering on the inter-community fault lines within India – has been nothing but a source of aggravation and problems for Indian Muslims! Those who have blood ties in Pakistan can not do much about the reality of the blood ties – common sense dictates that they will feel a certain closeness to their extended family members – but even they do not feel any attraction to the grotesque entity that currently goes by the name of your country!

There is nothing positive that y’all can do for the Muslims of India – in fact, they can do a lot better WITHOUT your help! And that is the truth!

Indians at large, including Indian Muslims – need no lessons from Pakistanis on the concept of tolerance! Pakistanis have no CLUE what tolerance is. Had they even the least bit of such clue, they would not be in their current situation! The sub-continent would not be in such doldrums! Perhaps the world too would be spared a lot of trauma and anguish!

What do you wish to teach Indian Muslims – I ask you?!

That it is okay to kill off the minorities?

That it is okay to kill off any segment which does not “belong”?!

That it is okay to kill off elected leaders?

That it is okay to grab power by force?!

Name ONE worthwhile virtue that y’all are capable of teaching the Indian Muslims!!

No hard feelings, yaar, but it is rather difficult to do so, isn’t it?! :(

laddu please let me tell you something you apparently dont know ....mullahs have no place in religious hierachy (we do not belive in arbitration btw us and God) and the mullahs clamoring for the stupidest things are also politically and socially utterly irrelevent.

I would not confuse that with "islamists" a word broad enough to include jinnah and iqbal ....much less moderate mulsims. I have shown you extensively how the constitution of pakistan has pledged EQUALITY for minorities and thats only possible because moderates and reasonable islamists are the overwhelming majority in pakistan, always have been and always will be.

I happen to like alot about sufi philosophy/poetry but sufism and mullahism is equally irrelevent and ineffectual.