What about Bombay 1992?

GT#86:

No surprise, GT. It is true that revenues are exceeding budgeted amount because of the larger than expected growth. But I am sure that you know that in govts, any govts. money can not be spent unless it is allocated in the budget.

The more relevant point is that even if there is more money in the next budget, it would probably be allocated to more education, health and infrastructure. [not that I would blame them for so doing!]

Our part of the world will not change until we become fully evolved humans. We can curse poor white folks all we want, but the fact remains that in modern times, they do not kill their own innocent minority citizens on a massive scale without a burp (conducting formal inquiries to punish the guilty).

We will not become fully evolved until most of the citizens are educated of their rights, and obligations – in other words, develop character. Until then, the majority leaders (the ultimate responsible criminals – the Godfathers) will use these mass murders to cow down their minority opponents if minorities are naïve enough to not play the political game at pace, and rules, set by the majority.

This has happened in Pakistan 71 and India 1984, 1992-93 and later in 2002. It does not matter whether the majority butchers are Hindu or Muslim leaders. Immunity from prosecution, hunger for power and unlimited greed drives these bastards. None of these killers were punished - Prime Minister (1984) and Chief Minister (2002) and President (1971).

Only educated masses can enforce morality at the highest levels. Until then, blaming/firing poor cops or other low level officials will not solve problems.

Minorities need to internalize this for their own good.

#62 Posted by Netizen on August 16, 2007 8:32:04 am


January riots started similarly when hindu motor-bike riders were singled out and stabbed/killed in muslim dominated areas of mumbai central.


The riots started because a hindu family was locked in their chawl room and burnt alive. But this was just an excuse. Thi killing happened days into the maha aati drama so they were just waiting for a spark

The muslims were the first to riot after the babri masjid was brought down...

#83 Posted by dost_mittar

Dear DM,

I am absolutely positive that you have friends in the Finance Ministry and/or in the Planning Commission. Write them an email or call them. It is worth it. I promise that you will be surprised.

Regards.

p.s. In those circles they blame their ineffectiveness on the sudden (more than expected) growth of tax revenues.

{"There can’t be two criteria of justice. While Dutt has been jailed for six years for merely keeping a gun at his home to protect himself, those responsible for the killing of two thousand helpless people continue to roam free."}

Aijaz Saheb,
Very good article and some very convincing and rational points about the events of 1992 and 1993. When the application of justice is selective and when the associated punishment is not balanced or even proportional, the entire structure's validity becomes doubtful. Thanks.

RE:#80 GT
[[Or do you think that the politicians are stoopid and have not thought about it? OR IS IT THE CASE THAT THE POLITICIANS DO NOT WANT TO? If so, then why DM?]]

Well said GT. Everything is done for a little more political or material gain. It is well thought out. Things will change slowly , inspite of, not because of, over a period of time.

GT#80:

I am surprised at your statement that Finance Ministry does not know how to spend its money. There may be some unused budget at year-end, but from what I have read, 98% of the Indian Budget goes towards salaries, subsidies, Defence, etc..

Jang how could you possibly say that. MQM does not kill unarmed civilians, and religious minorities strongly support the MQM, just read the pakistn christian post sometime.

You can not call shiv senha MQM , i will not allow it :(

arjun:

"The cop were not directly complicit. In the bombay riots, they were given "orders" not to do anything for a few days..When the orders came through, they were pretty effective at shutting things down."

I remember at that time reading about a conversation between cops to teach a lesson to the "katuas' (or whatever name they use for circumcised).

#78 Posted by dost_mittar:

Dear DM,

Do you think that Indians, nay the Indian politicians, are stoopid? Do you think that Nehru, Laloo, Vajpayee, Basu, Anna are stooopid?

When professional MBAs and enjineers can be churned out in huge numbers, when brilliant young people cannot join the IPS because there is no "space" at a time when the Finance ministry does not know how to spend its funds (more at the state level), do you really think that we are in some sense constrained to build up a professional police force? Or do you think that the politicians are stoopid and have not thought about it? OR IS IT THE CASE THAT THE POLITICIANS DO NOT WANT TO? If so, then why DM?

Regards

#78:

"one that teaches them not to distinguish between a criminal and victim and not the person's religion."

Should read - one that teaches them to distinguish between a criminal and victim and not the person's religion.

Hi Aijaz:

You wrote a generally very balanced article. Yes, justice must be done and those who were responsible for killing the innocent must be punished.

You could have avoided a lot of negative comment if you had acknowledged the fact that the Bombay riots were indeed started by Muslims protesting the demolition of the Babri masjid.

Muslims are generally the worst victims of communal rioting in India. But most people die only because of the active and passive participation of the Police. So, Mohar (whose interact I have not read, only its reference by GT) is correct, India does need to have a professional training, one that teaches them not to distinguish between a criminal and victim and not the person's religion.

I also agree with ajeya on Modi. I do believe that he was responsible for the Ahmedabad massacre but the fact is that no court or public enquiry has held him personally responsible for the killings and riots.

And yes, each of these riots does validate the TNT theory and the foolishness of the Indian and Pakistani leadership in not insisting on a complete exchange of population at the time of the partition. But that is the past, we have to now make sure that every citizen of India gets full justice and protection of his life and property regardless of his or her religious beliefs. That is the law, that is the constitution and that is also the Raj Dharma.

#74 Posted by KaalChakra

Kaal, you may have liked it because you see your influence on me :-)

#73 Posted by Cobra

We should get out of this "good"/"bad" dichotomy. Who cares, as long as people are less exploited through such coalitions. As for the coalition being temporary, I should not have even emphasized it. All coalitions, even intra-party ones, are temporary.

Re: # 68

Cobra,

i agree with you.

i had problem with the way the author suggested rioting started.

also as arjun said, it was bal thackeray who got sanjay out of jail. sharad pawar was hell bent on punishing the dutts.

That's brilliant, really, GT! Hopefully, folks will read. In India at least no one is going to 'give' justice to anybody because everybody 'wants' it. And now everybody is willing to use violence so if one wants to go that route, that's fine. Just do it and don't explain because nobody cares to listen.

But there is a way to 'get justice' that will distribute justice much more widely. It is the way of getting justice by agreeing to give justice in different ways to different people at different times. Call that (temporary) collusion, cooperation, whatever. GT explained that brilliantly.