Feroz Qutabshahi August 15, 2007
#1 Posted by atif2 on August 20, 2007 8:14:37 am
nice write up!
i so agree with your drawing the distinction between "traveling" and "vacationing". But then there is an even more vulgar breed of vactationeers. Its called "package tourists". These package tourists are an insult to exploration in particular, and humanity in general. As I have noted in one of my ilogs, these people are also an environmental hazard, as their astronomically huge consumption of food, soda, coffee and alcohol while touring results in burden on earth resources. I have often thought about bulldozing these packagers at the very site they are swarming and clicking their cameras away.
also, regarding you getting worked up over the dilapidated condition of mosque in that island, this is quite pervasive all over Greece. The mosque that was built in the name of Fatih Sultan in the Agora area of Athens is now being used as a storage for archeological stuff. Another Ottoman era mosque in Plaka area of Athens is now a church. In fact Istanbul has much visible traces of its Byzantium past than Athens has of its Ottoman past.
And then these "civlized" people have the audacity to lecture us on preserving our "heritage"!
i so agree with your drawing the distinction between "traveling" and "vacationing". But then there is an even more vulgar breed of vactationeers. Its called "package tourists". These package tourists are an insult to exploration in particular, and humanity in general. As I have noted in one of my ilogs, these people are also an environmental hazard, as their astronomically huge consumption of food, soda, coffee and alcohol while touring results in burden on earth resources. I have often thought about bulldozing these packagers at the very site they are swarming and clicking their cameras away.
also, regarding you getting worked up over the dilapidated condition of mosque in that island, this is quite pervasive all over Greece. The mosque that was built in the name of Fatih Sultan in the Agora area of Athens is now being used as a storage for archeological stuff. Another Ottoman era mosque in Plaka area of Athens is now a church. In fact Istanbul has much visible traces of its Byzantium past than Athens has of its Ottoman past.
And then these "civlized" people have the audacity to lecture us on preserving our "heritage"!
#2 Posted by jang on August 20, 2007 8:56:26 am
cool stuff..made me all envious while i struggled with people with bad mass accent on beaches here. i remember reading some books about family and other animals a long time back..brought back those memories.
i agree that the greek wine tends to be razor-sharp.
i agree that the greek wine tends to be razor-sharp.
#5 Posted by Salim_Chauhan on August 20, 2007 10:46:23 am
Kulharee Payee,
Thank you for a very interesting and fascinating account of your travels. I agree with both you and Atif that the vacationing type should be limited to cruises in the Caribbean. As for the sad state of mosques and Muslim cemeteries, it is also a shame. Considering the destruction of the beautiful mosque in Banja Luka, almost all the mosques in Foca, and the fabulous Mimar Sinan bridge in Mostar in Bosnia, it is not surprising that Christians mistreat these priceless relics. I agree with Atif that the ancient mosque in Athens, just before you approach the Acroplis is now a church. That is quite a contrast to the Hagia Sofia, here in Istanbul, which is now a museum - thanks to Ataturk. Good article. Thanks again.
Thank you for a very interesting and fascinating account of your travels. I agree with both you and Atif that the vacationing type should be limited to cruises in the Caribbean. As for the sad state of mosques and Muslim cemeteries, it is also a shame. Considering the destruction of the beautiful mosque in Banja Luka, almost all the mosques in Foca, and the fabulous Mimar Sinan bridge in Mostar in Bosnia, it is not surprising that Christians mistreat these priceless relics. I agree with Atif that the ancient mosque in Athens, just before you approach the Acroplis is now a church. That is quite a contrast to the Hagia Sofia, here in Istanbul, which is now a museum - thanks to Ataturk. Good article. Thanks again.
#6 Posted by Kulharee on August 20, 2007 10:47:01 am
I will share some pics that I took, once I figure out how to resize the photos and post them.
Atif, that’s very true in my experience as well. Some of the structures require really badly needed ‘preservation’ (not restoration or fixing). However, I would think that this inattention is not intentional on part of the Greek people.
Atif, that’s very true in my experience as well. Some of the structures require really badly needed ‘preservation’ (not restoration or fixing). However, I would think that this inattention is not intentional on part of the Greek people.
#7 Posted by Kulharee on August 20, 2007 10:54:13 am
Salim – no matter how much one may want to deny but the Ottoman stamp is all over Greece. I agree that there has been neglect in preserving some of the historic places, but I am very hopeful that it will change. The mosque in Chios and the adjacent cemetery was closed for heavy duty preservation work. I hope they continue to do that and preserve these priceless reminders of our history.
#8 Posted by IB on August 20, 2007 11:41:03 am
Nice article - although would have been cool if you have edited it - its a long one to read - nevertheless good.
Kulharee bhai, how were the Greeks? there political point of views? any interactions? lot of Pakistanis in Athens now as well - PIA touches Athens.
Anyhow as they say 'what happens on holidays - remains on holiday'
I visited Spain, France, Germany, Belgium and Italy and the experiance was good . I would love to go to Greece,Cyprus and Turkey in times to come .
Nice writeup anyway mate!
Kulharee bhai, how were the Greeks? there political point of views? any interactions? lot of Pakistanis in Athens now as well - PIA touches Athens.
Anyhow as they say 'what happens on holidays - remains on holiday'
I visited Spain, France, Germany, Belgium and Italy and the experiance was good . I would love to go to Greece,Cyprus and Turkey in times to come .
Nice writeup anyway mate!
#9 Posted by jang on August 20, 2007 11:50:54 am
kulharee, the turks call it raki, greeks call it ouzo. to an outsider like me, its tastes the same..like sounf. i think before turkiye joins the eu this has to be setteled ..is it the same or not.
#10 Posted by Kulharee on August 20, 2007 11:57:03 am
Dear IB. the Islands we visited depend heavily on tourism and there are little chances of discussing politics with local. Most of our time was spent touring places or on the beach. However, when we go to mainland Greece and stay in my wife’s ancestral village there are plenty of opportunities to get to know the local political view (Greeks are big on conspiracy theories). Greeks also tend to be very theatrical and every little thing is turned into a major drama. Yep, there are Pakistanis and other Desis in Athens, but I didn’t see any on the Islands we visited.
I also found Greeks to be very anti-American (thank Bush) and also very pro Arab. That’s why gas in Greece is a lot cheaper there than in the rest of EU.
Jang Yaar.. Raki is no match for Mini or #7. Yep, Greeks stole it from Turks, but the variety in Greece is a lot better than what’s found in Turkey. The reality is that Greek just add an A or an O or an I at the end and claim everything as their own.. Tzatziki is Jajek in Turkiya. Please don’t tell it to my wife, but I personally liked Raki myself.
I also found Greeks to be very anti-American (thank Bush) and also very pro Arab. That’s why gas in Greece is a lot cheaper there than in the rest of EU.
Jang Yaar.. Raki is no match for Mini or #7. Yep, Greeks stole it from Turks, but the variety in Greece is a lot better than what’s found in Turkey. The reality is that Greek just add an A or an O or an I at the end and claim everything as their own.. Tzatziki is Jajek in Turkiya. Please don’t tell it to my wife, but I personally liked Raki myself.
#11 Posted by Salim_Chauhan on August 20, 2007 12:12:51 pm
#9 jang {"the turks call it raki, ..."}
Jang,
At least Turks don't tie it around our sisters' wrists. :) What a waste of good nectar.
Jang,
At least Turks don't tie it around our sisters' wrists. :) What a waste of good nectar.
#12 Posted by IB on August 20, 2007 1:15:11 pm
I happen to stay in barcelona , catalonia - on my holidays from 17th July - 21 Sept,2006 . I found Catalans very anti-Spain at a same time very anti-America. Some Catalans I met were so extreme that they supported OBL ( which was shocking ) .
#13 Posted by jang on August 20, 2007 1:41:07 pm
Mr IB can you write about great islami architecture that is preserved in spain etc..thanks.
#14 Posted by Salim_Chauhan on August 20, 2007 1:44:51 pm
Jang,
When I visited Spain several years ago, I found that the Great Mosque in Cordova was an immense, yet quite sad, remnant of the Islamic period. In Granada, certainly Alhambra is the place to see, but the view of the cool peak Moulayhacen is very soothing.
When I visited Spain several years ago, I found that the Great Mosque in Cordova was an immense, yet quite sad, remnant of the Islamic period. In Granada, certainly Alhambra is the place to see, but the view of the cool peak Moulayhacen is very soothing.
#15 Posted by dullabhatti on August 20, 2007 2:20:45 pm
oye Qutabshahi, jadon tooN Greece di beach te tambOO taan ke sutta piya si, sacho sach das tainu saadi yaad ayee si ke nai?
#16 Posted by aslam644 on August 20, 2007 2:36:57 pm
if the present pakistani migration trends continue to the EU, in a decade or two there will be a mini pakistan in Greece, Italy, Spain and France,long may it continue.
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