The 'poor' Neighbour

#174 Posted by tahmed32,

It is quite interesting many Pakistanis on Chowk have visited Bharat, but on the other side only DM seems to have done so.

And still the Pakistanis would rather discuss other stuff than the heap of garbage they have seen with their own eyes which is bharat, while the bhartis always have a fire lit beneath their behinds without knowing shyte about how different Pakistan is :)

where is echoboom? I'm sure he'll love this line...

Beginning of 61st year of slavery of slaves

Abid Ullah Jan

Dictator Gen. Pervez Musharraf and minion Shaukat Aziz, in speeches and appearances celebrating the milestone, praised Pakistan’s emergence as a Muslim nation with an important international role, but warned its people they must not succumb to extremism in response to their policies. They renewed vows not to let any nation publicly violate Pakistan’s sovereignty - doesn’t matter if they do so without announcing it as they have been doing since October 7, 2001 war on Afghanistan.

Every Pakistani must realise that they are slaves of the slaves. Of course this is not what a Pakistani would like to hear as they wrap the green flag around themselves and fly it high on their cars and homes, but it is the unpleasant truth that we all face going into the next year of our chequered existence under indirect occupation - de facto colonization, which has been more fruitful for the modern day colonialists than the past. We are not bound by chains and beaten with whips, yet that hardly matters.

Slaves remain slaves irrespective of the more or less cruel treatment they receive from their masters of the chosen slaves of their masters.
Setting aside the stereotyped image of a slave as a bleeding chain-bound wretch, slaves like Pakistanis, are often hard to recognize. It has been like this throughout history. In some cases, such as the Medieval Serfs, they were held slaves to the rulers by religious belief.

tahmed,

Amansandhu's argument is pathetic. One only has to compare the general populations of Pakistan and India to discover who is more materialistic. I mean only a sick materialistic society like India can produce soaps like Kiyunki saas bhee kabhee bahu thee...

Just imagine the dialogues...

"Panch so crore de do. Panch so crore ki company khareed lo"

You won't find such dialogues in Pakistani dramas.

Middle class Pakistanis spend as much on education as any Indian... if anything Pakistanis spend more because many middle class Pakistanis are increasingly taking O Level and IB examinations... something which was the exclusive preserve of the rich in the past.

Good day, master arjun. How are we feeling today? Feel like giving some more english lessons to us uneducated Pakis, pliss? Or sharing some more important information with us, like how there are no Pakistani professors in US universities?

#154 Posted by okhla99 on August 18, 2007 12:46:44 am



Why don't we concentrate on our own weaknesses


You "weakness", the fact that you ground zero for the islamic terrorism infecting the whole world, is everyone's problem...

from subway users in london to users of the holland tunnel..

amansandhu: so frivolous Pakistanis just spend all they have without bothering to educate themselves, while pious hindus focus on education?

dil behlaaney ko Aman bibi,
yeh khyaal achha hai!

:-)

naqshbandi: please dont be angry at jayp. feel pity for him. for 8 years he has dedicated himself to predicting the demise of Pakistan and writing thousands of posts on how bad things are in Pakistan. 8 years later, here comes this Pakistani agent Dalrymple and says what Pakistanis and some deluded Indians like Dost Mittar (who have actually visited Pakistan, unlike jayp and other Indian experts on Pakistan on chowk) have sometimes tried to gently (at least in case of DM) say.

So, please be pitiful of jayp. Donate money for research on the mental sickness called Pakistanphobia that seems to afflict so many unfortunate souls in India. Or in lieu thereof, send flowers to the Thakeray Institute for Ageing Hindutvas. Thanks in advance for your kindness. :-)

anil #: one item i forgot....

i think india, pakistan, bangladesh, sri lanka (and perhaps philippines) should form an organization like OPEC, called MPEC - Manpower Producing and Exporting Countries....

......this may sound funny, but it requires some consideration.......the biggest shortage in the coming years will be oil, gas etc........however, what will be the second biggest shortage....it will be manpower....skilled and unskilled.....

the population of the world is going to reach its highest point around 2070(?)....after which it will decline....even now, the only area where the population is increasing in huge amounts is south asia, with china actually declining......

manpower is already a big export market.....however, it is not controlled by the exporting nations, like oil and gas is.....if there were a cartel of manpower exporters, they could control a very important aspect of the international market.....

as an example, the middle east gcc - main oil producers of th world - would simply collapse if every south asian worker were to walk out.......not only for the skilled market, but for the unskilled as well.......in fact, their retail markets would collapse......50% of the population of uae is south asian......there would be no one to spend money in any of the shops and hotel, not to mention build the shops and hotel.....

the world's oil industry would go into turblunce, if the manpower of these countries disappeared.....

at the moment, the countries importing the manpower dictate terms to the exporters, as the import happens at an individual level.......if it were done as a cartel, the exporters would dictate the terms.....

infact, manpower export, though so important, must be one of the only industries in the world, where the importer dictates to the exporter........

Allah send his mercy on Qaid e Azam Muhammad Ali Jinnah and on Allama Muhammad Iqbal for creating this country! amin.

even till this day tens of thousands of hindus convert to islam (and christianity) yearly to escape the inhumanity of the caste system which treats them worse than animals.

low caste hindus have been killed before because their shadow fell on the brahmin temple thereby polluting it and then people ask, 'pakistan kyun banaana zaroori tha?'

btw the awqaat comment was aimed at people like jayp only not hindus in general.

zee bhai,

the difference is that between the state doing something and vigilantes doing something; if an individual kills someone it is murder but if the state sentences someone to death it is not murder.

i obviously do dua that the problem of the parasitical feudals can be solved peacefully but i somehow get the feeling that these people only understand the language of the danda just like uppity hinood such as jayp!

since they've become azaad they've forgotten their awqaat although they spent the previous millenia cleaning the tatti of various people who ruled them.

having said that most people i hope are not like jayp but the stories about hindus and muslims not letting each other share water from same cup are true. they consider us muslims to be maleecha and for us they are naapaak kaafirs. this is a basic fact which people on both sides have to accept. luckily for millions of them the muslim saints,because of the mercy inherent in traditional islam, were approachable and treated them as humans and millions converted.

still we can work together and let each other live in harmony.

pakistan zindabad!

Folio,

I did admit that and provided the root cause of it, to teh religion, one cannot be more forth right than that.

Infrastructure of the mind,

Pkakistanis claim their superior infrastructure of the cities, their better airports, but at the end of the day, no one is coming to pakistan because of the terror stigma.

Take the example of the policies of pakistan. Wheat prices are going up, the poor are affected, no one wants to ban export of wheat, which would have happened in india.

Textles, well 70 percent of pak textile finished products are exported while millions of tons of second hand clothes are imported stymying the domestic production,

Again the case of cars, second hand cars are imported, killing the domestic industry. Hyundai exported 400,000 cars last year from India.

Take the case seizing of the foreign exchange remittacess by the govt following the bomb. No one India would have done that, rather India went in for the resurgent India bonds when indians pouyred 7 billion to help India

All of the above are being done not by the poor of pakistan, by the educated, mostly foreign educated of pakistan advicing the govt.

Pak problem is not education, it is the warped minds of the educated so well displayed on chowk. YLH is a prime example of this, with his tirade against Gandhi. It is a waste of time and energy, especially when the world has recognised Oct 2 as the day of peace honouring Gandhi, even pakistan did not oppose that day at teh UN.

Jayp,

Why it's difficult to admit our shortcomings (poor hygeine in public places)?

Cleanliness and infrastructure, some facts

Hinduism has no social concepts, it is each mans search for nirvana. There is a lot of importance for personal hygiene, but not that of the surroundings. It is common for high caste hindus to send their children to defecate on the road outside so that their homes are clean. The rubbish outside is viewed as the government problem and not that of the individuals.

There has been not much investment in infrastructure simply because of the lower returns. It is only in the last decade that toll roads have come into being in India. Further toll roads makes sense only when there are so many private cars, when most of the trafic on teh road is buses and trucks and carts, tolls have no meaning, and hence cannot attract private investments because of no returns.

In the initial years govt investments have been in education and indutry. The so called public sector has provided tremendous training for the indians and for a long time creating employement was the intent of the public sector.

Now they are all being pruned back, and privatised. When there is shortage of resources in th early years, one has to spend money wisely. Here is a south indian saying

" if you are planning for next year plant rice, if you are planning for ten years plant coconut trees, if you are planning for 25 years educate your children"

Very tru for india and pakistan. Indians educated them in schools and india is an IT power, Pakistan educated then in madrassas and they are now a jihadic power.

Time will tell which is better. Pak jihadic army sweeping through Europe in teh traditions of zengis khan, well pakistanis will have the last laugh.