Musharraf's Options: Time Running Out

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#22 Posted by tahmed32 on September 3, 2007 8:47:46 am

prophetboy...pakiland has been ruled by the military for 33 of 60 years...even when it wasn't ruled by the military, the military pretty much called the shots...

there's paki-delusions..and there's reality..

DostMittar: you write "his (musharraf's) downfall started when he started to crave democratic acceptance"

Musharraf's downfall started the day he exposed his lack of integrity in holding the sham referendum, and continued as more and more people realized what a characterless man he is. Had he gone the way you recommend for dictators - that is to be ruthless with opposition, he would have discovered what Zia discovered when he tried this rout: that Pakistanis may not be loudmouthed self-promoters as is common among Indians, but they are no cowards or fools either as you assume. Thus: when Zia tried your route and started flogging journalists and putting loudspeakers in their faces (so the crowd may be intimidated by their cries of agony), the journalists shouted "Zia murdabad" instead. When Zia tried to implement his scheme to cut off hands of "thieves", he totally failed due to opposition from the medical community among others.

Read Ambassador Kux's book on Pakistan where he explains that having failed to implement his dictatorship behind the facade of Islam, Zia turned his attention to Afghanistan instead and created the Taliban.

Minhas saheb, you seem to be someone with real inside knowledge. However, I doubt that Nawaz will, at this point, agree to any conference in Gulf or London. He has been sounding increasingly self-assured and is in no mood to compromise, especially with those who dethroned him. He thinks that he is going to win, whether as ghazi (triumphant entrace to Punjab)or as shaheed (imprisoned on entry). If he comes to power, he would most likely try Musharraf for treason, that is if Musharraf still remains in Pakistan.

thinkingstorm#17:

You are right. I think that Musharraf as a dictator was quite successful, his downfall started when he started to crave democratic acceptance and called his referendum in 2002. He would have won the referendum at that time anyway, but compromised his reputation by rigging it. It has been a steady downfall since then. The moral of the story is that dictators should not try to be politicians.

Re: # 19

jayp,

........stop wandering over to the right side of the border if you don't want to end up as a kabob ..... have you applied yet ?

"Indian border guards are photographing cows in villages in the eastern state of West Bengal and issuing them with identity cards, officials say. "

p.s. i hate to point this out, but you are beginning to smell like masadi and the wrong end of a cow ...... get a job

Another budget item for the pak army

...ransom payments to kidnappers

Another Tiger Niazi in the making, two entire companies surrendered, i understand including a few colonels.. repeat of
bangladesh, this time in the west.

Slogan of the pak army, we surrender in the eats, we surrender in the west, we surrender anywhere.

There used to be a chowk interactor romair who was an officer in the pak army, where is he now when we need him to explain the valor of pak army

A matter of shame really, Pakistanis running all the time to the Saudi or some other Arabs to sort out their internal troubles, is this a sovereign republic or what? Why this so called round table cannot be convened in Islamabad, if all concerned are really keen on resolving the imbroglio? Strange! This time you sort it out in SA, have a new PM/Prez, another strongman seizes power, sends the incumbent in exile, obviously to Saudia. Have the Pakistanis pawned their soveignty to the Arabs? And one wonders is sending an incumbent PM/Prez in exile permitted in the Constitution?

Actually more was done for women rights and freedom of speech in Mushy's time than in either BB or NS times.

The democratically elected kuttay were afraid of mullahs and did not want to amend or repeal the hudood laws, so called foundation of Shariah. The hypocrites were busy lining thier pockets.

Mushy's term actually saw hudood laws amended (he was afraid to repeal them totally as well, but at least he had the courage to amend them).

The problem right now in Pakistan is one of fundamentalism sweeping the extremeties and moving towards the center.

Mushy is not well equipped to handle that as a great portion of his army supports the fundamentalism.

However BB and NS are non-starters against this threat.

So some of the people calling on the resignation of the so called cantonement kutta, are doing so under false pretenses. What kind of a democracy is it when it resembles more of a monarch with the bhuttos and the nawaz sharif (prodigal son of Zia).

Unless there is a third option, a new leader, (and please don't mention Cosmo Khan turned Conservative muslim), there is little hope of turning the tide around.

Hang on...the next decade or so is going to be very turbulent.

Why does the author think that the biggest general is out of options? If only he refuses to succumb to his obsession with occupying the sadarati kursi, which is not going to mean a whole lot in the next govt any way, he might yet discover that he is still very much in demand - not least by the so called champions of the "gharib awam".

Let him announce that he is stepping down, dissolving the assemblies, and calling for new elections. Let us see if the "Chauries of Gujrat" and the lotas in their party can hack it in free and fair elections? Honestly, if the agencies stayed out of it, neither them nor MMA can come anywhere close to repeating 2002.

Dokhtare-mashriq will have her hands full with the ex-tiger of Punjab, now a lion thanks to the new found hair transplant, and she may be amenable to come to some accomodation with mqm to at least secure Sindh, and a coalition at the center with other smaller parties. She may want to make use of the biggest general's good offices, not only to ensure that the agencies don't do a hatchet job on her party's vote, but also to keep mqm on-side. This might mean dangling the promise of a civilian sadarati kursi for him in the next dispensation, if he is amenable to helping her.

The biggest general is seemingly out of options only because, instead of wanting to be free, he would rather be a prisoner of the kursi and continue to shiver in his boots...

an informative essay based on sources.
All military dictators in Pakistan have shown consistency in their lack of knowledge of military-politico sociology in Pakistan, the latest being the embattled Mussarraf, Only if he had learned and cared to listen to those he side lined in due course.
His high 7 Point Agenda stands distorted and decimated as he makes a political mess in the murky waters of Dealing and Wheeler Dealing.
Is it not a shame that both Mush and Benazir focus on yet another term, and not resolving the outstanding issues that Pakistan faces?

Cliffy:
Let me share a real painful observation with you.

Who among us is not familiar with the stampede which occurs at Desi parties when announcement for food is made. This phenomena is unique ONLY to Indians & Pakistanis.

Now I can assure you that maybe 50 or maybe 80 years ago none of us were like that.

This single observation of carries within it a 1000 years of "reasearch" & "schlorship".

Those who do it are not the deprived ones. They are invariably our "respected" "parRhay-likhhay" & "professional" ones.

We used to, even as a joke, swing to two extremes.

One was the "pehlay aap ones" who were ridiculed about missing their trains.

the other ones were the ones who were so "adventurous" that
they boarded the train themselves instead of the ones who they came to see off at the station.

That SUMS up Pakistan of today & you know who won & who is always riding the trains now.

But I am more disturbed for Pakistanis , especially Muslims.

Forming a Queue is a cardinal requirement for these people during Namaz...& they do not practice it in daily lives.

They are painfully punctual for prayers & Ramzaan...& but in other affairs being on time is a joke with us.

" Jis qaum ko thhee chaar nikahoaN kee ijazat"

the other line is pretty vulgar..but 100% true.
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Al-Muntazar , Al-Muntazar..Imam Mehdi..I am Al-Muntazar

* nor i*

:) echo sahab i would love to eradicate all culture altogether from pakistan and the whole world. Culture itself smells to the high heavens. Phir bus naam rahe ga Allah ka (for us ...others may call it justice)! and may we all live in peace and justice from then on regardless of gender economics and religion.

So i take it neither you nor me are celebrating at this point ? :(

Cliffy:8
this got posted on another aa-tickle (aa Gud-gudee kar)
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Nawaz Kameen aur Baizameer CAN do nothing except try to prove more loyal to their White-Bhagwaan.

Pakistan needs a lancet to let the black-blood from its vein
flow out until the westoxicated poison is completely drained from its festering sores.

"tariay azaar kaa charaa naheeN nishtar kay sivaa"...Faiz said it long long time ago.

Until & Unless Fauji Foundation & Bahria are dismantled, NLC
( national logistics cell) the ones who issued tenders without competition for the bridge that was constructed 3 weeks a ago & collapsed & until & Unless all Cantonment Kuttaas Kennels called DEfense & Until &n Unless the Cantonment & Colonies are not turned over to those selling meat & groceries [the hardworking dhoti shalwaar huqquaa paan-wallaas, with mullah-looks] & at the ORIGINAL prices...

Until & Unless

Every sign & trace of Western "culture" must be eradicated to make the land Paak again.

We will keep working at the same salary.

abu may the future prove you right and me wrong ! hum bhi dekhain ge !

yarr pulya baji..at some level i share ur cinicism...bb especially i have no doubt is bad news..ns is moron..but his brother is a good admin..n they have some individuals in thier part that give an impression that they realize that the ppl of pakistan won't take it anymore..i cud be wrong but i reckon ns has some good ppl around him.