Mother Teresa’s Moment of Truth

Ghalib Zaman although its you pergative why carry a muslim sounding name while bein BJP like

GhalibZaman

You are speaking to the only "Hindu" who is converted. :)

I have been accused by both Hindus and non-Hindus of not being a Hindu anymore since I have been suggesting (as politely as possible) that NUMBERS MATTER, that pure, raw numbers are the hydrogen bomb of all social theory, and POWER, with numbers, without numbers, is the most important social goals.

But there is only so much one can do.

FWIW, Christopher Hitchens did a demolition job on Mother Teresa in The Missionary Position: Mother Theresa in Theory and Practice.

Among other things, he commented on her glorification of suffering, the abysmal quality of the medicine practised in her hospices (even after she had acquired the resources for much better), her vocal opposition to artificial contraception, her intercession in support of Haitian dictator Baby Doc Duvalier and Charles Keating of S&L fame.

Hitchens is probably too easy on the Marxist fools who rule in Calcutta – his book is still worth reading.

[Aside for assorted Islamaniacs infesting this board: Hitchens doesn’t have anything good to say about you either. He has given Islam and the Majestic Quran a very satisfying pounding in his latest book. Read it and enjoy!]

Kaalchakra:
I can feel your pain brother...

Tomorrow when history will be written please make it abundantly clear not to complain that the numbers are dwindling because "others" oppressed us or "forced" us to convert.

This blaming "others" & in the process losing the best friends you ever had & ever will have is the issue which has yet to be "RESTORED"...and not through art & theater but through the meeting of the fundamentalists , the orthodox, the practitioners...not the part-time half-time hindus and muslims in either country.

GhalibZaman, ironically, but for the issue of religious subversion, Hindus don't really have many issues with Chrisitans or the US/West.

You are right: they should get angry, very angery, but even getting angry at the issue of religious subversions is called "hatred" by their enemies, within and without. :(

http://www.crusadewatch.org
The above is a "HINDU" site....but not an RSS site

all Hindians whether mild, medium, or hot must study this . It is full of some very detailed work...with solid data.

If there is an iota of sense of dignity left in any Hindian he is bound to react to it..& this is NOT an RSS propaganda site.

"Get angry, it gets RESULTS!"...a great german philosopher.

This will certainly make them understand who has always been the greatest enemy of hindus, muslims, jews & any nation who was a victim of their Imperialism & colonisation..the ripples of which are still afflicting all of us.

First the Bible (under guise of "education"..jobs/jobs! in english), then trade(under guise of western CULTURE ) and coke/jeans syndrome) then the army & flag ( under guise of protection from "red" Indians , your own in villages mosques gurudwaraas,& temples).

Any wonder the missioned-commissioned one when he joins the army or civil service suddenly starts giving orders in alien lingo to his subordinates?

RE:#63 Tahmed32
[[And dont make idiotic statements simply because hindu priests hate Teresa because she actually contributed to society rather than lived off it on account of religion.]]

Could you tell me which of my statements is idiotic, and which Hindu priest has invoked hate speech against M.Teresa? Thank you.

Re: # 65

'When in 1984 there were Sikh orphans first thing that they wanted to do was to convert them into Christianity."

EVEN if we take that as true,do yu believe ever indian non christians become minority ..thats phobia and incitement to whip up hatred and passion against certain community ....

EVEN if millions do covert -those who were near her since she became prominent -what would be there numbers to change the balance ...86% from 87% is not going to make the majority into minority ....

Re: # 51
I didn’t mean specifically church charities, now days western governments also prefer to deal with NGO’s they find them less wastage and corruption compared to third world governments. In present circumstances missionaries wouldn’t be welcome in Pakistan, the paradox is convent schools are oversubscribed that is the enigma wrapped up in mystery.

from Unplugged..more debriefing of the ones suffering from schlockhome syndrome..where they learned the Missionary responsibility
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This is what I think of Mother Teresa...
Topic started by delhiwala on Sep 6, 2007 12:24:04 pm

When in 1984 there were Sikh orphans first thing that they wanted to do was to convert them into Christianity.
Some Poor Sikhs did that but most did not.

They refused to take Sikhs into their orphanage when they did not convert.

So much for Charity of Church.

there sole motive is to convert people and that is the source of their charity and compassion. There is no same compassion for non Christians.

Whereas in Sikhi we show compassion for Sikhs and non-Sikhs alike(I am not making this up).

i would like to understand what her legacy is for india/indians to consider her a saint. india has been a prolific saint factory over the ages. typically for indians a saint is one who in his lifetime manages to touch people spiritually and his legacy is used as a marketig force-multiplier. we have our sai-babas and mayees with mamoth hair and hospotals and some other saints like guru nanak who formed the sikhs. so let us see if she is used well by indians or only by the vatican over time.

swarrier #61 Good to see you illustrate the point I made in #43 wrt to the saying posted by teshah, namely:
Morality is doing what is right, regardless what we are told. Religious dogma is doing what we are told, no matter what is right.

My point being, of course, that "religious dogma" (like leprosy) is a disease that afflicts not just muslims but hindus as well. Use your brain to tell the obvious (i.e. tending to other people is good for society, while living off them as witch doctors, brahmans, maulvis, shamans and other thugs have done through the ages and in all societies is morally repugnant). And dont make idiotic statements simply because hindu priests hate Teresa because she actually contributed to society rather than lived off it on account of religion.

For those suffering from the Schlock syndrome..brainwashed by the responsibility behaviour & mind-control

The worlds biggest CRIMINAL ORGANISATION & CORPORATION: The Vatican
http://www.arcticbeacon.citymaker.com/articles/article/1518131/7118 3.htm
Corruption In Vatican and Jesuit Order Revealed in 'The Almanac of Evil'

Frank O’Collins, has authored “The Almanac of Evil”, pinning the Vatican hierarchy, including the Jesuit Order, with a litany of serious crimes violating international treaties and international law.

The charges include but are not limited to prostitution, trafficking of prohibited narcotics, money laundering, murder, political assassination, fraud, pedophile rings, institutional incest, arms trade, as well as crimes against humanity including but not restricted to genocide, sadistic torture, germ warfare, ritual and satanic murder and cannibalism, child slavery, general slavery and wholesale destruction and suppression of human history, knowledge and wisdom.

RE:#56
Kaal, Shah2 is right there are hospitals and clinics built by the Missionaries of Charity. However the big hospital in Calcutta was castigated by the Lancet as one of the most unhygienic hospitals around. It according to one observer resembled a concentration camp. It provides the most basic medical care. Now you could argue that this is true of many municipal hospitals in India. However Municipal hospitals in India do not have 50 million dollars available in a bank in NY(this was just under her name).
In addition she wasn't averse to taking bribe money from Charles Keating, holding hands with Duvalier etc...
My opinion is Mother Teresa was a marketing phenomenon initially opposed (when they thought she would supercede them) and then aided by the Catholic Church.
Baba Amte etc,Edhi etc have done far more for humanity without invoking God or conversion.
This is my last post on this topic. I am unconvinced of her saintliness but others can have their opinions.

You remember this line Kaal....

"It is the shoddy theoretician, the ideologue, the well-dressed and often well-spoken purveyor of deliberate delusion that replants the seeds and nourishes the harvest of evil from age to age."

Sometimes it is the self effacing humble appearing personage who also does the same thing, though in this case I would not go so far as to say it was deliberate, ignorant perhaps, but not deliberate.

#59
Did you ever give A penny to her

MORE STUFF to DEDUCATE & DEBRIEF those suffering from the
Shlockhome syndrome.

Maybe she was harvesting body-organs...
It is not the first time the western Church & Corporation have not devised devious & diabolical plans to go the the nth degree to "enjoy" life & "Live" at any cost..Is that not the creed of Darwinism/?Capitalism taught at the "responsibilty-schools" of US?...NO WMD's eh?

..."According to some she took in millions of dollars in donations and used it to build her sisterhood. Little if anything went to the poor. She could have built hospitals or clean water facilities ......"

..."All the world over but especially in third world countries the Catholic church sits in its towers of pure gold while they could save untold lives ..."

...."anyone who lets someone die for their own good is repugnant to the nth degree and people such as Mother Whats her name is the worst of the bunch..."



and now from the book "Missionary Position"...amazon.com

- She regularly gave support to some of the worst dictators in the world, such as the Duvaliers in Haiti.

- Her 'hospitals' provided little real medical care; patients were not given pain medication (in fact, often no effort was made to treat them); Needles were reused after rinsing them in cold water; sometimes patients were not allowed to see family and friends. (Of course, she always got the best medical treatment herself.)

- Millions were collected by her charaties, yet nobody knows where much of the money went. With all the money they collected, they could have built a modern hospital, and/or fed thousands. Instead, the money seems to have been hidden away

- She campaigned in Ireland against divorce (even in the case of domestic abuse); yet she thought it was best that her friend Lady Diana to get a divorce because of how bad her personal situation was

- She had collected millions from one of the investors in a Savings and Loan scandal, and when he was arrested, she wrote a letter to the judge asking for easy consideration for him. (The prosecutor wrote a rebuttal, pointing out that many of the people who lost money in the scandal were also poor, and if she cared about justice she'd return the money. She never responded.)