Mother Teresa’s Moment of Truth

#54 Dear Shah2
Allowing lepers to die without anything but the least basic medical care, to hoard money without using it to build facilities to help the poor, the sick, to not promote self respect amongst them, and lastly doing everything in god's name, but not for the sake of humanity is as bad as poisoning them slowly. A quick death is perhaps more merciful. She could have done all of that but she chose not to.

Agreed. # 56

#54
Mother Thresa has built hospitals one BIG one in Calcutta and many clinics through out her region of activity and i agree with #48 that diseases should be tackled not by prayers but hospitals but if the driving force or inspiration comes from whatever source even god its benefit from it that is celebrated

shah2, swarrier, surely Mother Teresa must have built hospitals, particularly with all the money she got.

If not, was there any reason given out? (curious icon here)

#48
Mother Theresa never held back treatment for lepers and starving or old convaesing abandoned.Care of the old and diseased poor is still cause of suffering not mother theresa or her mission ...She did not like to end suffering by POISONIG her patients .If in your philosophy suffering is to be ended by death or suicide then mental sicked agonising should be justified i hanging him/her self and not POROlONG there suffering .

Shah2, as you know, in India, there is a lot of anti-Christian bigotry. If not, there should be. That bigotry is part of who we are.

But in Pakistan, with sister abrahamic religions, there is great opportunity for mutual benefit. If that benefit is fully realized, from one end of Pakistan to the other, even Indians may be forced to be more sympathetic.

Until then only people like beej bahadur will respect missionaries in India (mother Teresa is a different matter. She did enough work that her being a missionary can be, with some hesitation, and some precautions, ignored.)

Why is Missionary and if they are able to convert its not b/c something wrong with them but b/c there doors are 'OPEN"'unlike other Indians who would like not to help other under the "let them Suffer" attitude blaming Karma ,reincernations
there by breeding apathy and sitting with there hands clasped

Galib Zaman just b/c Aroop Chaterjee wrote a book what is his experience other than he lived in Calcutta..Would Masadi's critcism of America would hold b/c he spent some time in USA?

There has ben 'Anti Conversion Bill' in India since then during the NDA govt.but can you police the heart and soul by legislation or force ...Millions of Tribals and north East India tripura nagaland sikkim bhutan are becoming christians despite ...If not covnerted many Indians who have benifetted from the missioneries hopitals and there excellent schools like St Xaviers and all the Saints schools atleast are sympathetic t towards the christians and missioneries .I am sure same might be the case in Pakistan

As for the cry about accountability why is there no accountability for temples & madarssas

http://www.christianaid.info/About/FinancialAccountability.aspx

aslam644

If the government of Pakistan made an international appeal to Christian churches to come, open schools, and do good social work in Pakistan's poorest areas, Pakistan can get a lot of committed dooers of good deeds with plenty of money to spare.

This can bring in, fairly quickly, a lot of cash, along with invite many generous hearts.

Lest we forget some of these church charities are doing tremendous amount of good work, they are into everything from providing shelter for homeless to child care, off course there are secular charities as well but they seem to lack the commitment of the church charities I wonder why. In Pakistan we have maulana edhi sahab and a few others, I’m sure if more people were involved in NGO’s in Pakistan it would have tremendous impact on poverty reduction. There is a scope to set up NGO’s in Pakistan because western charities are overflowing with cash, apparently the reports are there aren’t many reputable ngo’s in Pakistan to give the cash to.

Re: # 48 its like the mob?

but most proselyletising (spelling???) religions are like that - there is secrecy and a lot of funny handshakes etc..

One must always distrustful of people who find suffering a turn on, who don't build hospitals to cure the sick, who do not divulge the sources and destination of their funds.

SR # 38, that is a goat-like comparison.

bhrata beej, you know this thread is about one person who happened to be a missionary.

Can we not admire her work other than her missionary business?

We can discuss this missionary business at some other time :)

44:kulharee
thanks. I take that as a compliment.
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Let us destroy this mythology about Maee Theresa, before
more children are impressed & corrupted by the school system

There is no cure for those who refuse to shed the popular myths that have become "facts" for them.

She was like the street beggar who would capitalise & use the diseased, deformed, & paraplegic body of a child to increase donations. All her money was used to build hospitals in US & elsewhere & NONE in India...she pervertly ENJOYED ( praised) prolonging the suffering & never in Treatment.

Read up on the "donations" she received from where & how she empowered the Vatican to use it for the well-known "crusades" around the globe.


What a great learning opportunity...thanks Mr. Gill
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The problem was her Roman Catholic belief that personal suffering helps to earn one's salvation. She thought suffering was good, and she didn't use pain relievers in her clinics. She had said that the suffering of the poor is something very beautiful and the world is being very much helped by the nobility of this example of misery and suffering. Many Catholic priests and nuns, to this day, wear hair undergarments, put stones in their shoes, flagellate themselves and otherwise try to merit heaven by suffering. Poverty and suffering are not simply endured, but are sought and even created. Just as she hoped to earn her way to heaven through her own deprivation and suffering, so "Mother" Teresa hoped to help her patients as well to reach heaven through the suffering she imposed upon them.

#37 - Gulab Jaman, for a Pathan, you read a lot (specially about mundane stuff like Mother Teresa). This much reading is not good for your reputation.

teshah #32 you wrote
Morality is doing what is right, regardless what we are told. Religious dogma is doing what we are told, no matter what is right.

Great quote, and which is very true. The Quran emphasizes exactly this point - i.e. individual responsibility to God - clearly and directly and in a number of ways (to the extent of calling upon the individual to respectfully reject even that what their parents taught them - without losing one's love for them - even if it does not seem right to them). The fundamentals of character building in schools in the US emphasize this very message (i.e. taking responsibility). And this is the central message of Islam that is hidden under by the "muslim" priesthood that seeks to be spokesmen for God and to suppress the duty of each individual to focus on what is right.

No wonder such abuse is being heaped on an individual who never sought public office, and chose to spend her life with lepers and the poor in Calcutta. Because this is what the religious orthodoxy (muslim, and from all indications even more so in case of hindu) tells its followers to do. Because Teresa gave something to society - while these priests of hinduism or islam seek to life off the work of others in society.