Mother Teresa’s Moment of Truth

Lest we forget some of these church charities are doing tremendous amount of good work, they are into everything from providing shelter for homeless to child care, off course there are secular charities as well but they seem to lack the commitment of the church charities I wonder why. In Pakistan we have maulana edhi sahab and a few others, I’m sure if more people were involved in NGO’s in Pakistan it would have tremendous impact on poverty reduction. There is a scope to set up NGO’s in Pakistan because western charities are overflowing with cash, apparently the reports are there aren’t many reputable ngo’s in Pakistan to give the cash to.

Re: # 48 its like the mob?

but most proselyletising (spelling???) religions are like that - there is secrecy and a lot of funny handshakes etc..

One must always distrustful of people who find suffering a turn on, who don't build hospitals to cure the sick, who do not divulge the sources and destination of their funds.

SR # 38, that is a goat-like comparison.

bhrata beej, you know this thread is about one person who happened to be a missionary.

Can we not admire her work other than her missionary business?

We can discuss this missionary business at some other time :)

44:kulharee
thanks. I take that as a compliment.
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Let us destroy this mythology about Maee Theresa, before
more children are impressed & corrupted by the school system

There is no cure for those who refuse to shed the popular myths that have become "facts" for them.

She was like the street beggar who would capitalise & use the diseased, deformed, & paraplegic body of a child to increase donations. All her money was used to build hospitals in US & elsewhere & NONE in India...she pervertly ENJOYED ( praised) prolonging the suffering & never in Treatment.

Read up on the "donations" she received from where & how she empowered the Vatican to use it for the well-known "crusades" around the globe.


What a great learning opportunity...thanks Mr. Gill
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The problem was her Roman Catholic belief that personal suffering helps to earn one's salvation. She thought suffering was good, and she didn't use pain relievers in her clinics. She had said that the suffering of the poor is something very beautiful and the world is being very much helped by the nobility of this example of misery and suffering. Many Catholic priests and nuns, to this day, wear hair undergarments, put stones in their shoes, flagellate themselves and otherwise try to merit heaven by suffering. Poverty and suffering are not simply endured, but are sought and even created. Just as she hoped to earn her way to heaven through her own deprivation and suffering, so "Mother" Teresa hoped to help her patients as well to reach heaven through the suffering she imposed upon them.

#37 - Gulab Jaman, for a Pathan, you read a lot (specially about mundane stuff like Mother Teresa). This much reading is not good for your reputation.

teshah #32 you wrote
Morality is doing what is right, regardless what we are told. Religious dogma is doing what we are told, no matter what is right.

Great quote, and which is very true. The Quran emphasizes exactly this point - i.e. individual responsibility to God - clearly and directly and in a number of ways (to the extent of calling upon the individual to respectfully reject even that what their parents taught them - without losing one's love for them - even if it does not seem right to them). The fundamentals of character building in schools in the US emphasize this very message (i.e. taking responsibility). And this is the central message of Islam that is hidden under by the "muslim" priesthood that seeks to be spokesmen for God and to suppress the duty of each individual to focus on what is right.

No wonder such abuse is being heaped on an individual who never sought public office, and chose to spend her life with lepers and the poor in Calcutta. Because this is what the religious orthodoxy (muslim, and from all indications even more so in case of hindu) tells its followers to do. Because Teresa gave something to society - while these priests of hinduism or islam seek to life off the work of others in society.

SR 39,

Well well, the fact remains that the problems went away for nepal airlines by sacrificing two goats. Being in aviation for too long, I can definitely say that aircraft maintenance and trouble shooting is not so scientific as one would presume.

There are known defects and there are unknown unknown defects, and what is known as "calibrated tap" is a method to fix electronic boxes, if removing and re-installing them do not fix it. Clearly it was electrical fault and a few religious ceremonies and few good prayers are in order, along with some prayers for those who travel.

good point bj...lets us accept whatever her religious conviction ...mother teresa did a lot of good work...and these bloody RSS ,VHP and other Islamic fundoos dont have the moral authority to critisize her

good point bj...lets us accept whatever her religious conviction ...mother teresa did a lot of good work...and these bloody RSS ,VHP and other Islamic fundoos dont have the moral authority to critisize her

Well, I couldn't get it to Click so here is the link:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/em/fr/-/2/hi/south_asia/6979292.stm

Teresa was a real cool chick, no doubt... despite her religiosity quirks.

Speaking of religiosity, it matters not what flavor you sample, it's always the same BS.

Check this out from the BBC, for example:

Nepal's state-run airline sacrificed goats to appease a Hindu god, following technical problems with one of its planes.

BBC News Item -- Click here

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Most people who swoon over "Mother Teresa" have never been exposed to anything but the mass media and / or the Catholic press versions of her life. Rarely have they even heard of the scholarly analysis of her life and work done by Aroup Chatterjee, a writer born in Calcutta who briefly worked for one of Mother Teresa's homes, and then spent eight years doing the research which culminated in his 425 page book "The Final Verdict", published in 2002. His is the most comprehensive critical analysis of Mother Teresa's life and work to date.
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#33 Bhrata Kaal

What is this stuff about "detesting" missionaries?

Missionaries do good social service work. If some of their beneficiaries decide to convert, why does that bother you? Ask yourself the simple question - why don't the Hindus try to improve the same conditions so those folks will remain Hindu?

Do not say that you don't "like" missionaries!

Work harder at it and I am sure you will soon see many advantages in liking a more missionary position!

NO need to get upset; Its her own church which is talking about her in a very civilisedlanguage , of course

or are we more christian than Christ?
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Mommie Dearest:The pope beatifies Mother Teresa, a fanatic, a fundamentalist, and a fraud.


"excerpts"...


By Christopher Hitchens
Mother Teresa: No saint
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..." What is so striking about the "beatification" of the woman who styled herself "Mother" Teresa is the abject surrender, on the part of the church, to the forces of showbiz, superstition, and populism."...
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It's the sheer tawdriness that strikes the eye first of all. It used to be that a person could not even be nominated for "beatification," the first step to "sainthood," until five years after his or her death. This was to guard against local or popular enthusiasm in the promotion of dubious characters. The pope nominated MT a year after her death in 1997. It also used to be that an apparatus of inquiry was set in train, including the scrutiny of an advocatus diaboli or "devil's advocate," to test any extraordinary claims. The pope has abolished this office and has created more instant saints than all his predecessors combined as far back as the 16th century.
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A Bengali woman named Monica Besra claims that a beam of light emerged from a picture of MT, which she happened to have in her home, and relieved her of a cancerous tumor. Her physician, Dr. Ranjan Mustafi, says that she didn't have a cancerous tumor in the first place and that the tubercular cyst she did have was cured by a course of prescription medicine. Was he interviewed by the Vatican's investigators? No. (As it happens, I myself was interviewed by them but only in the most perfunctory way. The procedure still does demand a show of consultation with doubters, and a show of consultation was what, in this case, it got.)
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Even more will be poor and sick if her example is followed. She was a fanatic, a fundamentalist, and a fraud, and a church that officially protects those who violate the innocent has given us another clear sign of where it truly stands on moral and ethical questions."