Mohammad Gill September 4, 2007
#34 Posted by bjkumar on September 5, 2007 9:49:32 pm
Note: I did not read the interacts.
All people of faith have crises of faith. The reason is simple – the practitioners of the faith are human beings.
If you met somebody of faith who knows all the answers and tells you they know all the answers and that they have no doubts at all – you have met a liar!
And if, by the remotest of chances, they are indeed not lying and they really believe what they are saying about not having those crises – run away from such individuals as fast as you can – because you have met sheer evil!
Mother Teresa comes across as a very human individual. Why is that so difficult to see?
PS: Mother Teresa was admired across the world not because of the strength of her faith but because of the goodness of her heart and the acts which resulted from such goodness!
All people of faith have crises of faith. The reason is simple – the practitioners of the faith are human beings.
If you met somebody of faith who knows all the answers and tells you they know all the answers and that they have no doubts at all – you have met a liar!
And if, by the remotest of chances, they are indeed not lying and they really believe what they are saying about not having those crises – run away from such individuals as fast as you can – because you have met sheer evil!
Mother Teresa comes across as a very human individual. Why is that so difficult to see?
PS: Mother Teresa was admired across the world not because of the strength of her faith but because of the goodness of her heart and the acts which resulted from such goodness!
#33 Posted by KaalChakra on September 5, 2007 9:13:57 pm
No one detests missionaries as much as I do. I hold them in total contempt at every level, individually and as a general group.
Yet 'Mother' Teresa rose above that. One salutes her for she was ultimately a very good person (despite her sainthood) who did very good work as her lifelong mission.
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teshah ji, that is a beautiful statement of bhagwanhood, although uniquely put. :)
Yet 'Mother' Teresa rose above that. One salutes her for she was ultimately a very good person (despite her sainthood) who did very good work as her lifelong mission.
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teshah ji, that is a beautiful statement of bhagwanhood, although uniquely put. :)
#32 Posted by teshah on September 5, 2007 8:56:47 pm
Re: # 14
drsohail
Nice write-up; I totally agree with you. It reminds me of BaYazid Bistami, a Muslim saint, who had a vision of journeying to heaven where he found the chair to be empty which he promptly occupied himself.
One who rises to the status of a saint becomes a 'Bhagwan' himself (At least according to Hindu philosophy). Poor Bhagwan, having no super-bhagwan Himself to love and worship, can turn only to his creation and love them to fill up His emptiness and allay His loneliness within.
Morality is doing what is right, regardless what we are told.
Religious dogma is doing what we are told, no matter what is right."
drsohail
Nice write-up; I totally agree with you. It reminds me of BaYazid Bistami, a Muslim saint, who had a vision of journeying to heaven where he found the chair to be empty which he promptly occupied himself.
One who rises to the status of a saint becomes a 'Bhagwan' himself (At least according to Hindu philosophy). Poor Bhagwan, having no super-bhagwan Himself to love and worship, can turn only to his creation and love them to fill up His emptiness and allay His loneliness within.
Morality is doing what is right, regardless what we are told.
Religious dogma is doing what we are told, no matter what is right."
#31 Posted by tahmed32 on September 5, 2007 7:42:34 pm
GhalibZaman: When you have - or when some maulvi has - spent as much time as Teresa did taking care of poverty stricken lepers and others, then you can talk. Or when you, or any damned maulvi, has spent even a day doing this, then you can talk.
Till then, your post is as hollow as a maulvis loudspeaker.
Till then, your post is as hollow as a maulvis loudspeaker.
#29 Posted by thinkingstorm on September 5, 2007 7:01:11 pm
so much for the sufi learnings naqsh!
Can you ignore all the good work that poor woman did? Or are you too busy becoming another rote mullah (but hiding under the sufi garb)?
She did a tonne of good work, and she was not arrogant about it, or thought herself pious and elevated due to that work. That shows true charachter.
Can you ignore all the good work that poor woman did? Or are you too busy becoming another rote mullah (but hiding under the sufi garb)?
She did a tonne of good work, and she was not arrogant about it, or thought herself pious and elevated due to that work. That shows true charachter.
#28 Posted by Kulharee on September 5, 2007 6:44:53 pm
#27 Gulab Jaman, how does Mother Teresa’s worldly status lowers the status of the morons that may be dear to you? If you can’t show respect to such a revered person, don’t expect anyone to show any to yours.
Her belief in God was her personal struggle, and shouldn’t even be a matter of discussion. If we can believe a guy taking pony express to heavens and back, and another to come down from skies, her little uncertainty about divinity is peanuts in comparison.
Her belief in God was her personal struggle, and shouldn’t even be a matter of discussion. If we can believe a guy taking pony express to heavens and back, and another to come down from skies, her little uncertainty about divinity is peanuts in comparison.
#27 Posted by GhalibZaman on September 5, 2007 3:31:57 pm
thanks
Naqshbandi & aslam sahibaan.
let me repeat #22
.When you have guns to back up your RATIONALITY, even your lunatics are celebrated as geniuses...
Some get exorcisms performed on them , some are sent to the licensed charlatans & given electric-shocks.
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Remember she was a Saint (NOT peer)...hence our repects
Remember she got a medal.from sweden.must must respect that.
Remember she was White...makes lots & lots of difference.
Remember she was a European, and a christian, not an arab paki Indian or Iranian bloody muslim......Respects respects.
Remember she agonised, reflected, jinns attacked her, they
exorcised her jinns...............RESPECTS Galore.
TaaliyaaaN!
Naqshbandi & aslam sahibaan.
let me repeat #22
.When you have guns to back up your RATIONALITY, even your lunatics are celebrated as geniuses...
Some get exorcisms performed on them , some are sent to the licensed charlatans & given electric-shocks.
............................................
Remember she was a Saint (NOT peer)...hence our repects
Remember she got a medal.from sweden.must must respect that.
Remember she was White...makes lots & lots of difference.
Remember she was a European, and a christian, not an arab paki Indian or Iranian bloody muslim......Respects respects.
Remember she agonised, reflected, jinns attacked her, they
exorcised her jinns...............RESPECTS Galore.
TaaliyaaaN!
#26 Posted by aslam644 on September 5, 2007 2:14:15 pm
I remember reading about an old convent in Yorkshire England, where builders discovered remains of young babies, it seems some of the nuns had gotten pregnant, god knows who by may be some catholic priest, the aborted babies were buried in the garden of the convent. I think in the past many of the catholic girls were forced to become nuns against their will.
#25 Posted by tahmed32 on September 5, 2007 1:37:55 pm
I think it is wonderful that, despite having done so much for the poorest members of society, Mother Teresa had time to reflect on, and write about, issues of faith and existence. My respect for her increases even more on learning about this aspect of her character.
#24 Posted by Naqshbandi on September 5, 2007 1:20:40 pm
in fact i might even write an article on her (teresa of avila aka st. theresa de jesus) for chowk.
#23 Posted by Naqshbandi on September 5, 2007 1:18:36 pm
URL:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8q1m-8npkJ4
this video exposes mother teresa the so-called saint.
to show i am not against her simply for her being christian--which is what some sick souls on here would think--i am a great admirer of another theresa--st.theresa of avila a 15th century christian saint from spain.
#22 Posted by GhalibZaman on September 5, 2007 10:34:06 am
Mother Theresa was under the influence of the "DEVIL"; was that why a ryshed "sainthood" was conferred upon her"?
..before she could declare her true faith? Are we sure she was not murdered by the Pope-EYE..
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.. .When you have guns to back up your RATIONALITY, even your lunatics are celebrated as geniuses...
Some get exorcisms performed on them , some are sent to the licensed charlatans & given electric-shocks.
The day when the Doubtfires-in-drag will get treatment when the first rash appears will be the day when the itch-to-bitch will be gone.
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Mother Teresa (1910–1997), winner of the Nobel Peace Prize in 1979, had led such an exemplary life as a nun devoted to healing the poor of India that, shortly after her death on September 5, 1997, Pope John Paul II (1920– ) waived the customary five-year-waiting period and began the process to consider her for possible sainthood. On September 5, 2001, on the fourth anniversary of her death, the Archbishop of Calcutta, Henry D'Souza, revealed that Mother Teresa had an exorcism performed on her while she was hospitalized in 1997. Because the Roman Catholic Church performs exorcisms only when someone is believed to be possessed by the devil, the world was shocked by such a disclosure.
According to D'Souza, shortly before her death at the age of 87, Mother Teresa was admitted to a hospital because of heart trouble. D'Souza happened to be a patient in the same hospital during her stay, and he learned that the nun was having difficulty sleeping. When it was determined that there was no medical reason to account for such problems, it occurred to him that some evil spirit might be trying to disturb her during the night.
With the nun's consent, D'Souza arranged for a priest to perform an exorcism as a precautionary measure. Mother Theresa participated with the priest in a prayer for protection and slept peacefully after the ritual had been completed. Not wishing to tarnish Mother Teresa's sanctity, immediately after he had made the disclosure of her exorcism, D'Souza insisted that she had not been satanically possessed, and he was firm in his assertion that the exorcism should in no way affect her candidacy for sainthood.
..before she could declare her true faith? Are we sure she was not murdered by the Pope-EYE..
__________________________________________________________
.. .When you have guns to back up your RATIONALITY, even your lunatics are celebrated as geniuses...
Some get exorcisms performed on them , some are sent to the licensed charlatans & given electric-shocks.
The day when the Doubtfires-in-drag will get treatment when the first rash appears will be the day when the itch-to-bitch will be gone.
_________________________________________________________
Mother Teresa (1910–1997), winner of the Nobel Peace Prize in 1979, had led such an exemplary life as a nun devoted to healing the poor of India that, shortly after her death on September 5, 1997, Pope John Paul II (1920– ) waived the customary five-year-waiting period and began the process to consider her for possible sainthood. On September 5, 2001, on the fourth anniversary of her death, the Archbishop of Calcutta, Henry D'Souza, revealed that Mother Teresa had an exorcism performed on her while she was hospitalized in 1997. Because the Roman Catholic Church performs exorcisms only when someone is believed to be possessed by the devil, the world was shocked by such a disclosure.
According to D'Souza, shortly before her death at the age of 87, Mother Teresa was admitted to a hospital because of heart trouble. D'Souza happened to be a patient in the same hospital during her stay, and he learned that the nun was having difficulty sleeping. When it was determined that there was no medical reason to account for such problems, it occurred to him that some evil spirit might be trying to disturb her during the night.
With the nun's consent, D'Souza arranged for a priest to perform an exorcism as a precautionary measure. Mother Theresa participated with the priest in a prayer for protection and slept peacefully after the ritual had been completed. Not wishing to tarnish Mother Teresa's sanctity, immediately after he had made the disclosure of her exorcism, D'Souza insisted that she had not been satanically possessed, and he was firm in his assertion that the exorcism should in no way affect her candidacy for sainthood.
#21 Posted by freethinker on September 5, 2007 10:07:09 am
Dear Khalid: #14
Thanks for your feedback which adds materially to what I wrote in my article.
Mother Teresa was a great human being by all standards. She was honest and gave vent to her doubts and despairs in her letters.
I had read Abu-al-Kalam Azad's "Ghuabar-e-Khatir" selectively. He also went through a phase of doubt and skepticism but in the end he returned to his faith. All thinking persons confront "uncomfortable questions" in their lives; some stick to reason and others to their faith. It is personal choice and there is nothing wrong in it if one avoids imposing one's own thinking on others.
Wishing you well,
Mohammad Gill
Thanks for your feedback which adds materially to what I wrote in my article.
Mother Teresa was a great human being by all standards. She was honest and gave vent to her doubts and despairs in her letters.
I had read Abu-al-Kalam Azad's "Ghuabar-e-Khatir" selectively. He also went through a phase of doubt and skepticism but in the end he returned to his faith. All thinking persons confront "uncomfortable questions" in their lives; some stick to reason and others to their faith. It is personal choice and there is nothing wrong in it if one avoids imposing one's own thinking on others.
Wishing you well,
Mohammad Gill
#20 Posted by GhalibZaman on September 5, 2007 9:49:57 am
Mother Teresa’s Moment of Truth
What a "scientific" conclusion!
So in sweep:
All her life was a lie!
The inspiration she received from the God and "son of God"
was of no value.
The healing of the sick she learned & believed because of her belief in the healer prophet was of no consequence.
Has it ever occured to Mr. Doubtfire, the scientist in drag, that maybe she was contemplating to embrace Islam?...as so many archbishops, bishops, pundits, rabbis, top-scientists, diehard atheists, and avowed islam-haters have done just during the last 100 years?...
When will Mr. Doubtfire write about those & redeem himself to be worthy of the being considered even a lowly scientist.
What a "scientific" conclusion!
So in sweep:
All her life was a lie!
The inspiration she received from the God and "son of God"
was of no value.
The healing of the sick she learned & believed because of her belief in the healer prophet was of no consequence.
Has it ever occured to Mr. Doubtfire, the scientist in drag, that maybe she was contemplating to embrace Islam?...as so many archbishops, bishops, pundits, rabbis, top-scientists, diehard atheists, and avowed islam-haters have done just during the last 100 years?...
When will Mr. Doubtfire write about those & redeem himself to be worthy of the being considered even a lowly scientist.
#19 Posted by Urstruly on September 5, 2007 9:25:36 am
I do not understand the logic that since mother tressa had moments of doubt therefore God does not exist.
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