A Friend of Feudalism

Re: # 15 Mr. Boraville Express.... I suggest you leave fued over ZAB it past its history. You shed your prejudice and forget about Masadi. You just read his book and think for few months, it takes time to read but take time and think. I feel YOU HAVE NOT READ AT ALL. Will you be honest enough to do that then start writing against thinking by Mr. Masadi.
This same suggestion to that hateful "Okha" man who is throwing wrong criticism. This is suggestion only and not advice.
Both of you before picking up poisoned pen against his thinking please read then you can do for you atleast tried to learn.
Good morning. Hope this terrorist type activities will be soon history/

Re: # 4 Romair you have written right and I second you. General is better than BB. NS is out as Saudi rulers has asked to refrain from entering. Now BB as Pm and Gen. as president who will be in commanding in position. Some body shall have full responsibility and accountability. Specially when war on "terror" can not be controlled by BB, army will ignore and look for Army chief who will carry american war on pakistani people and pakistani soil and invincibility of army is being shttered will be for long time ( emperor has no cloth siruation). I hope you will read book by Mr. M.A.Asadi , I found verey didectic.

If BB n nawaz n Altaf bhai are the only so-called saviors of Pakistan...then God may have mercy on us! I agree with William Dalrymple that Pakistan needs fresh blood from the educated middle class since the policies and interests of the feudal lords will never change.

Bhutto saved democracy in Pakistan in 1970 by his decision, and he restored Mujib to his rightful position like an honorable man. The Elections were held because of the resignation of Ayub caused in the major part by people power in the West as a direct result of Bhutto. If a powerful dictator could be removed the lesser one could not do anything else but hold elections.That is what the truth is about the entire 1970 election episode, it was setup for failure if the East was allowed to rule the West, because the entire setup was non viable, and it was not really any win because the PPP and the Awami League had not a single seat to contest in the East. Democracy in the West was rescued by the foresight of one man, from falling victim to the designes of those that wanted ethnic strife to harm the nation, and keep it deadlocked, ZAB broke out of that deadlock, out of the deadlock with India and with Afghanistan and out of the muck of the US. Yahya was a war criminal, he should have been hung at the very least....

masadi you are calling a guy who pushed for mujib's imprisonment as a democrat and then jailed the same yahya who gave into the pressure, did bhooto conduct the elections of 1970 or yahya? in which mind you bhutoo with his 80 odd legislators would never have become PM

brivili writes "Also have you read how he behaved the night he was to be hanged?"

Yes I have read your allegations and your dimwitted reading of history, they are nothing but slander. The guy took on the major powers, woke up the people of a nation, was recognized on the global forums as a voice of the powerless masses in the "Third World". He understood that keeping both Pakistan and India bleeding over Kashmir was colonialists wet dream of controlling us both, that a non-viable "patch up democracy" of the East/West would never work and would never be allowed by the ruling institution and the "outside" powers. He worked to infuse democracy into a used, raped and abused nation and he achieved much. He never asked the Zia ul Fcuk for clemency and knew the fate that awaited him. If he was so afraid of death as you allege, he would never have taken on the major powers but cringed and crawled infront of them like all the military dictators from Ayub to the current rat. That is the level of his great leadership.

His daughter is a sell out who is wheeling and dealing with her father's killers, the US elite and their occupation force in Pakistan...

Let me try a "Manto" and copy-paste stuff:

"During his student days, Zulfikar Ali Bhutto had acquired an anti-Imperialist view of the world. He was a firm believer in economic self reliance and political independence themes he expounded in his famous book "Myth of Independence". Bhutto's finest hour came in the reconstruction of Pakistan after the traumatic dismemberment of Pakistan upon the fall of Dhaka on 16th December, 1971. He successfully put the derailed nation back on the track by rebuilding national institutions. His lasting achievement was the unanimous adoption of the Constitution in 1973. He established the Pakistan Steel Mills, Heavy Mechanical Complex Taxila, Port Qasim Authority, Quaid-e-Azam University, Allama Iqbal Open University, Karachi Nuclear Power Plant; thus, fortifying the prosperity, integrity and security of Pakistan. Using his experience as Foreign Minister, Bhutto cemented Pakistan's relation with Afro-Asian and Islamic countries and by 1976 had emerged as the Leader of the Third World. As an author, he brilliantly advocated the cause of hewers of wood and drawers of water of the Third World.....

Zulfikar Ali Bhutto has earned a place in the pantheon of leaders from the Third World who earned everlasting fame in the struggle against colonialism and imperialism. He had the privilege of interacting with many of those leaders who played a great role in the epic struggle for national independence in the 20th Century including Mao Tse Tung, Ahmed Soekarno, Chou-en Lai, Jawaharlal Nehru Gamal Abdel Nasser and Salvador Allende. During the period between the end of the Second World War and the end of the Cold War, the world was divided into two blocks: The Capitalist West and the Socialist East. All these leaders aspired to aspects of a socialist pattern of economy. Bhutto shared their faith in a leading role for the public sector as an instrument of self-reliance.



President of Allende of Chile and Zulfikar Ali Bhutto of Pakistan pursued socialist democratic policies in countries long dominated by the military, and thus, were overthrown in the same year - 1977 by the collaborators of the Neo-Imperialists, killed at the behest of the Military Juntas of Pinochet and Zia and followed by long spells of repressive Military regimes which did not retreat until the Cold War drew to an end.

The key factor in the over throw of Bhutto was Pakistan's nuclear capability. The Karachi Nuclear Power Plant was inaugurated by Zulfikar Ali Bhutto as President of Pakistan at the end of 1972 but long before, as Minister for Fuel, Power and National Resources, he has played a key role in setting up of the Pakistan Atomic Energy Commission. The Kahuta facility was also established by Bhutto.



Bhutto's foundation of the PPP was a setback for the reactionary forces in a country long dominated by the Right. The slogan of "Food, Shelter and Clothing" shifted the focus of Pakistan politics from theological to economic issues. This focus has never shifted back. Bhutto nationalised the commanding heights of the economy; another blow to the capitalist West. During his tenure there was a massive transfer of resources towards the dominant rural economy by setting higher prices for agricultural products.

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See Manto, my fingers possess the same "copy paste" skills too

thinkingstorm: I am not sticking out for BB. I don't support BB, I detest her, where did you get that from? I do support ZAB, and that is about it where it comes to Pakistani leaders. I am not for dictatorship as borivili is, in all his libelous slander against the one great leader this nation has seen...

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Masadi
Are you saying that bhooto never pressurised Yahya to jail Mujib? and that it was not yahya but bhooto who conducted the election of 70 in which mujib won the majority? if yahya wanted to supress Mujib why did he allow Mujib to win such a big majority, why did yahya infact remove parity between the wings and why did he break west pakistan unit into provinces?

also are you also denying that bhooto was involved in 1965? and that he joined hands against Ayub to kick him when he was down? as he did with Yahya and Mujib?

Also have you read how he behaved the night he was to be hanged?

Masadi you are only fooling yourself bhooto was doing this not for democracy or common man

masadi-

Congrats first of all on your books, and the kickass quote from Howard Zinn.

However, please don't stick up for BB. She has very little to do with her father's ideology and principles.

And anyway, we should not propogate family based "elected" monarchy.

biggest failure Mushy and Pak awaam had is the failure to come up with an alternative to BB and Sharif. Musharraf delcared these 2 defunct and criminals..everyone agreed and kicked them out. Musharraf did not let a real political figure come out in the absence of BB and NS.. or is it that Pak politicians have gotten so used to getting to the top with army help that no one tries on its own? if that is the case they should give army a permamnent role in governance and forget about democracy.

#5, I am not parroting dadajaan, you are on the other hand parroting the mullahs (and their American backers) and their failed attempt to turn the people of Pakistan against ZAB leading upto 1977. When that failed, when this BS failed, they had to resort to a barbaric hanging. Regarding Mujib, read my answer to Manto in the previous interacts. Bhutto didn't fool Ayub, Ayub tried to fool the nation and failed...Manuvering over who the General in charge has to be, is always a delicate act especially with a foreign occupation force that is power hungry to service outside masters. The charge of "murder" was never proven against him, he was not power drunk but knew his worth because he had the backing of the people, and foreign observers including the ex US AG, Ramsey Clark found the evidence against him, what you say "he signed" (seems like you are drunk) totally lacking and the "witnesses" coached and incoherent. Yahya was a war criminal, imprisonment was justified. You are a damn fool repeating the same BS of the enemies of Pakistan in order to discredit the only true people's leader we ever had, and you do it with the hatred that emanates from an RSS member faking being a Pakistani

also though bhooto had been favored by Ayub when demonstrations began against Ayub bhooto also went against him, bhooto was only for himself he didnot know the spelling of democracy.

read the account of his hanging he went shiverring, infact he refused to get up from the cot and acted as if he was ill, he had to be lifted by Jawans to the noose, read the acount yourself he was peeing in his pants

"but after 1971 when he released Mujib and Bhootoo came to power in he west he immediately imprisioned Yahya himself!!

should be "but after 1971 when YAHYA released Mujib and Bhootoo came to power in he west he immediately imprisioned Yahya himself!!"

Masadi

You just parrot what you learnt from dadajaan, read History your hero Bhooto was the one who fooled Ayub and then messed up 1965 else Kashmir would be free today. He forced Yahya to imprison Mujib which led to the split of the country because bhooto knew that with 88 legislators he could never defeat 160 odd bengalis, Yahya was the one who conducted fair elections for the first time in Pakistan which should have made Mujib PM but Bhooto didnt want democracy when it went against him, but after 1971 when he released Mujib and Bhootoo came to power in he west he immediately imprisioned Yahya himself!!

Bhooto chose Zia over 7 senior generals, because Zia was the most low profile, he used to insult Zia infront of people, he was so drunk with power that he actually gave an order in writing to liquidate his oponent that his how he was indicted.

his torture of his oppnents was legendary as was his womanising read Durrani's account of how Khar used to act as Bhooto's pimp.

if pakistan is going to end up bb and ns, then i would have to say musharraf is still better......though he has over-stayed his welcome by 5 years, and hence needs to go also....

if, however, someone other than these two, even if that someone is from their own parties, can emerge and become and pm and president, then that must be supported.....

.....i think pakistan can continue its economic growth, with any leadership, as long as it is not massively corrupt....the media and judiciary is now evolving as a check and balance mechanism......

......however, ns and bb will be massively corrupt again......

aitezaz ahsan as pm and imran khan as president still remain my choices........and bb, ns, and musharraf and altaf bhai retire......