Sex Education For the Next Generation

Re: # 286

Naqshbandi sahib:

"...a great saint of Allah....."

Did you not say elsewhere that there are no saints of Allah?

thanks for a nice article...

... and my friend VRV's journey is still only halfway ...

of course i do...i said etc. because it is impossible to remember all of them. Shah Hussain was a great saint of Allah!

Naqash, i noticed your list of Punjabi sufis don;t have Shah Hussein's name. do you consider him Muslim sufi or not?

javaab e jaahilaan khamushi baashad.

#8 Cliftonbridge {"Also the idea of sexual 'sin" or dirtyness isnt as prevalent in muslim societies as catholic ones. Sex is supposed to be enjoyable by muslim thought and both men and women have a right to expect a good time from each other....you just have to be married first :) "}

What an accurately wonderful statement! Yes, Christianity, from its obsession with celibacy and banishment of unwanted women to nunneries, has many more hangups about sex. Under Islam, it is every human being's right to enjoy sex. Where did we go wrong? It's a long and painful transformation from lusty harems to same same prem in caves with occasional fatwas issued via videotape or DVDs.

Naqsh-

I shall take pity on you. You are not fun to pick on. You are an intellectual midget and not yet well versed in reasoning or sarcasm for that matter.

For a sufi, you sure have a motor mouth. Telling our hindu brothers to fuk off and stick things up thier asses etc :).

I wonder which silsila teaches that?

with much respect,
thinking storm

All of them who are real Sufis accepted as such by the Ummah. Just in the Panjab--since the number is 100s of thousands all over the world--we have Baba Bulleh Shah, Baba Waris Shah, Shaykh Ali Hijwiri Data Ganj Bakhsh, Shaykh Fariduddin Ganj e Shakr, Hazrat Sultan Bahu Qadri, Mian Muhammad Bakhsh, Pir Sayyid Mihr Ali Shah Golrawi, Pir Sayyid Jama'at Ali Shah, Shaykh Bahauddin Zakarriyah Multani..
countless numbers...
And in the Subcontinent you have the great Chishti buzurgs such as Hazrat Muinuddin Hasan Chishti Sanjari,Shaykh Nizamuddin Awliya, Hazrat Qutbuddin Bakhtiyaar Kaki, Hazrat Chiragh Dihlavi, Hazrat Miyan Mir, Hazrat Gesudaraaz, Hazrat Ghawth Gwaliyari, Shaykh Shahbaz Qalandar, Hazrat Bu Ali Qalandar, Imam e Rabbani Shaykh Ahmad Sirhindi, Shaykh Muhammad Masum, Ala Hazrat Imam Ahmad Riza Khan Qadri, Shaykh Mustafa Raza Khan Qadri, Hazrat Abdul Aleem Siddiqi, and many many others...

The sultan of them all is Ghawth al Azam Shaykh Abd al Qadir al Jilani al-Baghdadi al Hassani w'al Hussayni radhi Allahu anhu whose blessed tomb lies in the Jilaniyya district of Baghdad and is, to quote Martin Lings, the most visited shrine in the Muslim world after those of the Prophet and his family members...

naqshie

your hooked arm of reason is showing. You can't dance and weave like Brittany when confronted.

Give you one example you said. I did. Nope they are not sufis you claim.

Shias don't have sufism. I busted that chestnut. And still you weave and dance like a bald headed brittany.

Now you are using false logic. You are showing me Rumi as an example that all sufis are mullas. ????? Just because Rumi, a sufi, was a sharia scholar, it does not mean ALL sufis are.

Look back at the link I posted sufiorder.com. The lineage is from the 4 prominent silsilas in India.

Nope. Not MULLAS.

In fact Islam in India was not spread by mullas. The big influence were sufis who sang and danced, and used parables that included hindu mythology. Yessir. Not mulla at all.

Finally I present for Naqsh a verse from Bulley Shah (a fakir).

Mulla chudd dey ilm kitaban da
Tainay chaya iee bar azaban da
Kar wazu jog sharaban da
tairay andar bahar paleeti hai

assan ishq namaz jadoon neeti hai
assan bhul gai magar maseeti hai
with much respect,
thinking storm

naqsh: and the hell with your "Islamic scholars". What did they do to promote respect for the common man, to develop science and technology whose fruits you take for granted and without which you would be to busy seeking your next meal to worry about sufism? Nothing. Not one damned thing.

Naqsh: So, you followed the path of the sufis, and it led you all the way to UK?

BTW if you read any serious academic biography of Rumi (e.g. the one by Afzal Ahmed or one by Schimmel, for example) you will see that for the first 40 years or so of his life Jalaluddin Rumi was reknowned as the greatest Islamic scholar--i.e. mullah--in his area at that time. As was Hasan of Basra, Junayd of Baghdad, even Husayn ibn Mansur al Hallaj was a great scholar.

Whoopsie daisy.

Naqsh, please give us a list of sufis approved by you.

Much appreciated
with much respect,
thinking storm

should have said who have disregard for the shariah..

Sufism and Shari`ah, from Shaykh Abdul-Qadir al-Jilani


Some facts about Shaykh Abdul-Qadir al-Jilani

* He was born in 470 AH / 1077-8 CE, in Gilan, in present-day Iran.
* He left this life in 561 AH / 1166 CE, in Baghdad, in present-day Iraq.
* He was of the family of the Prophet (s.a.w.), having been descended from the Prophet (s.a.w.) on both his father's side and his mother's side.
* He was a scholar who taught the Hanbali madhhab.

Shaykh Abdul-Qadir al-Jilani said:

Anyone who does not follow the Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace), taking his Law [shari`a] in one hand and the Book that was revealed to him in the other hand, and who does not attain to by his path [tariq] to Allah (Almighty and Glorious is He), will perish and perish, will go astray and go astray. They are two guides to the Lord of Truth (Almighty and Glorious is He). The Qur'an is your guide to the Lord of Truth (Almighty and Glorious is He), and the Sunna is your guide to the Messenger (Allah bless him and give him peace).

O Allah, cause a separation between us and our lower selves [nufus], and:

Give us in this world good, and good in the hereafter, and guard us against the torment of the fire. [Qur'an 2:201]

From Shaykh Abdul-Qadir al-Jilani, "The Sublime Revelation" [Al-Fath ar-Rabbani], translated by Muhtar Holland (Published by Al-Baz Publishing, Houston, Texas, 1992). The quote is from the end of the twenty-fifth discourse, p. 182.


--This Shaykh is the most famous Sufi of all time and the founder of the Qadriyyah Order. He has more mureeds than any other silsila.

Now go away and stop misleading others into believing that those ignoramuses who smoke charas and play the banjo and have no disregard for the Shariah are in any way real Sufis.