The need for De-Bhuttofication of the Pakistan People's Party

Re: # 63

Yasser:

"This is not a sincere question."

Apologies, I meant "This is not an insincere question."

anil,

I think the typo says it all.

You can either rely on sound bytes or you can look at the salience of my argument. Either way it is your prerogative, loss or gain respectively.

Re: # 63

PS: According to Abdul Ghaffar Khan, Jinnah wanted him (Ghaffar Khan) to play the leading role in the politics of Pakistan. You may read Raj Mohan Gandhi's book on Ghaffar Khan where he says something to the effect. So there you have it... (even though I could have said Jogindranath Mandal but Mandal was pro-Jinnah through out).

The succession worked well. Nazimuddin became the Governor General on 12th September 1948 and Liaqat Ali Khan's ministry stayed in the government.

As for my "blind" position on Jinnah... it is only "blind" to you because you are blind to logic.

Farzana misses many important issues by miles. She belongs in a generation of Muslim-Indian leaders, who indeed were shell shocked due to what had happened. Unlike her, Azim Premji did not abdicate responsible leadership. Younger generation of Muslim Indians are making differences, unlike Farzana. These leaders are in Moradabad, they are in Benaras, they are in Mumbai - building the largest shoe company of India, they are building pharmaceutical company of India that is challenging established norms and provide affordable drugs and medicines.

HP sahib, leave muslim-Indian alone. Look in your asteen. Your nonsense makes me very angry. Are you ready to accept that for what you called me names, is no longer written on the walls. It is in your face also. Need reminding - Bhutto (=PPP) and Musharraff (=Army); Lal Masjid = Pakistani Jalianwala Bagh.

#68

"Leave Muslim-Indian alone"

Why why aren't we being all fiesty because something contradicted your lack of knowledge. A similar suggestion can be made to you anil: Leave this to us and concern yourself with Indians only. You may exit this board at any time.

Re: # 66

Yasser:

I knew you will come back on my typo. I stand guilty, it is truly easy for me to type India. Let me form my questions and then respond to the rest.

Re: # 69

Yasser:

I cannot leave this board, as I learn here. I hope that is not a problem for you.

Regarding, HP sahib, and his pronesity to use filthy words is my reason to suggest him. I apologize to you and him for suggesting it.

Anil mian,

Nothing you say can be a problem. It just that you don't have a solid point either way. Your aggrandization of the hell hole that is India is neither here nor there... since we are not discussing nor do we wish to discuss India on this board.

A visit to Pakistan would ofcourse set you straight on perceived greatness of India blah blah... but who the hell cares about what you think?

Enough learning?

Yasser:

I will never claim that my logic or for matter even my argument is perfect, for this reason I have more questions for you, and I am more interested in your answers than my own answers.

Now if you excuse me I'll eat some Sehri and have some shut eye.

Yasser:

I have never said India is a rose garden. Yes, I have not been to Pakistan. I had a chance to go with the TiE group, and had missed it. Everyone who went came back more positive and more educated then they went. This was a unanimous consensus.

#68 Posted by anil

"Your nonsense makes me very angry."

You don't have it in you to even understand what I write. That obviously makes you angry. A sign that you are still a child when it comes politics and stuff related to it.
Read some good books and study some better writers instead of reading and writing about azim premji etc.

In dec 2005? I was there.

Re: # 76

HP Sahib:

May be you do not have in it to understand beyond your marxist mypoia. Just ask yourself, why I could, and not you, figured out so much in advance and that you had to resort to using filthy words with me instead.

May be, just may be, over analysis takes away the vision. You would not see it this way, would you?

I have not only read books of interest and constantly add to them, but also have a great group of friends to enrichen my knowledge. My journey has been good thank you.

Ok I couldn't help but chip in... your comment vis a vis Mr. Premji (the colorful) v. only giving color to Karachi, Dacca (and ofcourse Islamabad Faisalabad etc) is illogical in its premise.

If you think about it ... it is just one color- bright red as it may be v. millions of colors....

Let's not get too excited my friends:

1. Manto - Anil is not commenting on condition of Pakistani Hindus or telling Pakistanis how to treat their minorities.

2. HP - I read Farzana's article. Honestly I do not not understand why she is so upset. Premji's success is a matter of pride for Indians because they feel vindicated that there are opportunities for every one if they put their efforts on getting right education. Muslim gettos are not due to any monstrous federal plan. Having said that, the other problem that minorities face (i.e., law and order 1984, 2002) are entirely different matter. I would submit that if minorities put all their efforts in proper education, and its corresponding economic success, they would also see marked improvement in their social standing and safety.