Ramadan Special: Tales of Sufi Wisdom

its very long debate.....and out of topic....but just saying that "Taqleed" is haram .....Abu Hanifa fiqah is 70 % wrong...people blindly follow him...ridiculing the all sufis but just taking example of one and two sufis....etc etc......


i am sorry to say ...i will never ever rely on these foolish rulings ...i respect saudi ahle hadees and also pakistani ahle hadees scholars ...but thier "extremist" views in certainissues..i never ever accept that...they are not the care-takers of who is wrong and who is right......

but it is totally wrong that by saying ..."only me right" and rest all are wrong..biddati...deviated.......not so far just see the example of Allahukbar .net.......this site even not spare...Maulana Maudoodi...you can differ with him..but plainly saying that you are deviated...who the hell given this power to select who is deviated and who is not....what "hardcore" version of islam they are spreading.......

The world greatest salafi/ahle hadees site (islam-qa) clearly writes about the virtues and merits of 4 great imams but only says that do not follow them "blindly"....... as in quran that if you do not know something , ask from a person who knows it... so following any imam is the same thing... regarding the differences between 4 imams or hanafi or salafi schools of thought ... they are of .000000001significance ... rather i say no significance ... all have the same sources that is quran and hadees (6 and more books) and all the differences will be how you interprete , "istadlal" , "isthakrag" means "Deduction" from these sources ... which can be different or vary from imam to imam or from salafis ... but the "Frame of Reference" will always be same right from beginning to the qiyyamah , inshallah...They all have the the differences in the same circle of diameter of quran and 6 or more ahadees books and they will never cross the circumference of this circle all the minor differences will always occur in the same "Frame" not from outside...as in quran that these people will keep on differentiating as they are produced of differences... so differences are the basic characteristics of a human being and essence of a society... thet were , they are and they will remain.... but it will not change your deen or religion in any way.......

y a political unity can take place between two main sects of islam.....shia and sunnis....yes ..it is a harsh reality that complete unity cannot... still political unity is far far difficult as history repeats itself and politically muslim history is full of betraying incidents ...i am sorry to say this but this is the bitter reality.......

kha khai jo teer daikha kameegah ki taraf
apnay hee dosto sai mulaqat ho gai

Yes ...allah almighty can create a miracle to unite muslims .politically and may allah do this ..... regardind other differences...these are not differences at all...rather no sects...these are schools of thoughts..no sects at all...the main sects are only two ..all other are schools of thoughts.....and this difference of opinion is a essence of the society as a hadees of prophet(pbuh) says....

Ikhtalafa-i- ummati rahmat

means the differenecs of my ummah is rehmat...

For them is their merit ,for us is our merit.....no problem but yes this is wrong if hadees quoted by a number of muhadiseen and generally consider as shaheeh , then a person not considering For thier it shaeeh is his personal opinion but he has no right to blame and taunt anyone that consider it shaeeh and i do agree that salafis are a bit staunch towards it ... i agree with you , they have no right to " command" anyone else , if they have a certain opinion about specifichadees , then Ok fine , but do not let other to follow you .............

Allah will not ask me on day of judgement whether I have literally 2 hands , eyes or not !!!, i mean this thing is worthless to be consider but we keep our whole life in that .I once heard from my teacher regarding"Allah's throne" that it is an ayat " Mutashabiaa't" , so if we try to analyze it deeply, we will be in "fitna" ,So we have not hundreds but thousandsof common things and few controversial but our focus is always on these "few".......................
Brother regring Taqeed , i once again will say they never said that do not follow anyone but they say not blindly as i given in the above post from(islam-qa) site .....4 imams also follow quran and sunnah , so it is illogical to say that follow 4 imams or follow quran and sunnah are two differents things !!!!!!!!!.As i ask you are you muslim or Pakistani !!!!!!!!!
So these are incompatible things ................


Thirdly brother i agree with you 100% allama albani has regected a few hadees but brother again came the problem of point of view and merit , these hadees are not on his merit of shaheeh so he regected them as Imam Bukhari knew about 600,000 hadees and stated that i know more than 100,000 "shaeeh" hadees but quoted only 2513 in his book , why? because of his own merit ...... So if he rejected some his hadees so it was his merit , i do not think there is any objectionable thing about that......

Re: # 183 OK thanks

Only that a person making hands at chest have no right to say anything to a person making hands a little below , similarly , a person making hands at belly has no right o say anything to a person which tie hands at chest etc etc....
Both have hadees in support although degree of shaheeh is different so these little things dose not matter , the thing that matters is this prayer abstain you from "munkir" and" fawahish" or not..................

New Delhi.

Regards

Re: # 178 old delhi or new delhi ...??

Answer from the wahabi opponent...


You do not seem to understand the situation here, once again i will have to repeat myself in saying the 4 Imams may hae had differences in Fiqh, but when it came to Aqeeda they were all unanimous!! The problem we have with salafi's is Aqeeda...this is the biggest problem. They hold a corrupt and Batil Aqeeda ''Aqeedat-il-Wasitiyyah'', which was done by a famous personality Ibn Taymiyah, thus this was refuted by many scholars in their thousands and it will still be refuted till the day of Judgement! For it gives literal meaning to Allah's being, in giving Allah(swt) a ''Form'', a literal ''Hand'. ''Eyes'', ''Shin'', ''Face'', ''Directions'' and also ''Settled on the throne'', which are all the attributes of Allah's creation!!! How can Allah have similar attribute as is creation? Have we not learnt that ''There is none like Him'' ???

Again, we have another problem with these Salafi deviants when it comes to Taqlid. They say 'You don't have to follow a Madhab'', which is a big problem. May scholars have made it Wajib to follow a Madhab, the one who doesnt follow a Madhab can be called, a person who is following his/her desires, an innovator (Mubta'di). Please read Mufti Taqi Usmani's ''The Legal Status of Following a Madhab'' - Ciick here to read the full book.

And last thing brother are Abdul wahab or the aalim of the wahabi site(islam-qa) are 100% correct , no at all.No human being can be 100% right , if he is , the he has to be a rasool or nabi .The point is , why we keep on insistingthet a person should even be 100% right or 100% wrong !!!!!!!!!!!! Every human being , by its nature , have a tendecy of sin , faults and mistakes whether sahabas , tabai or aulias of Allah ,and they fell prey to them then why not abdul wahab or any other wahabi aalimis !!!!!!!!! why not shiekh abdul qadir jilani and others ,why not abu hanifa and imam shafi etc etc.

Thirdly i want to say that Allah will ask from us on the day of judgement that how you offer prayer , namaz , roza , offer zakat , did hajj , helped poor , how you spent your youth , your old age , how you strive to spread islam ,how you fight against kufars , did you jihad against them , "huqooq -ul - ibad " the most .He will not ask us that , tell me whether you consider my prophet(peace be upon him) dead or alive and if you will not give the correct answer , i will put you to hell .Or neiher He will ask us whether Prophet(peace be upon him ) is noor or bashar , and giving wrong answer will lead you to hell, so brother , be calm and cool , these are minor thing , and insshallah they will not do any harm to our belief that " Allah is one and only , we worship him alone and Muhammad(peace be upon him) his last messenger and rasool" , This was what only taught by our beloved prophet(peace be upon him) and this is what only is asked on day of judgement.Inshallah.But we will use our whole of life on fighting on these worthless issues and drain our whole energies in this useless debate , not considering that poverty will lead to kufar as in hadees ,not consiering that a time will come when all other nations will fell upon you as some hungry fell on the meal as in hadees , but instead of fighting agaist these social , economical , socialogical,political and unity factors which our society in particular and muslim ummad in general are facing , we keep on fighting and dividing ourselves more and more.......................

Delhi

Regards

Thirdly it is a point of common sense that a " shaheed" died once but in grave he remains alive as in Quran, similarly , prophet(peace be upon him) also died as when hazrat abu bakr(ra) said this to umar(ra) when taking his sword in his hand , he was shouting that " whoever will say Muhammad(ppeace be upon him) died , i will kill him" , then abu bakr(ra) replied that " whoever worship Muhammad(peace be upon him) , he should recognize that he has died , and who worship Allah , he should recognize that Allah will never lick the taste of death" but after that he is alive , see if shaeed can be alive , a prophet cannot be !!!!!!!!!!!! As far prophet is thousands of time higher than a shaheed and prophet like Muhammad(peace be upon him) , the " sardar" of all prophets !!!!!!!!!.So brother , point is that we should be too too touchy or allergic about that.They have Quranic verse that every creature has to die and this is true , afterwards what happens , it is ALLAh "qudrat" to whome He gives life like shaheed or prophets or aulia or anyone else , this is His right and kingdom, we have not to worry about it.

First i am sorry that the it was painful to use the word" stupidies" to the first replier , actually i use in the sense of differences not blaming any sect I myself sunni and hanafi, alhumdullilah , how can i critisize my own school of thought .Secondly to the respectful MMM, brother , it is our imaan that only "prophets" are " masooms" , anyone else whether sahaba , tabai , taba tabi , wali , aulia , pious people and imams of shias are not "masoom".It is our belief.No doubt about that shiek abdul qadir jilani is the "imam" of aulias , the greatest of all walis and get highest in"taqwa" and "piety" but brother he was not " masoom" so there are chances of mistakes and sins , as nature of a human being.So it is strange to me that how we react
so much on this point !