Ramadan Special: Tales of Sufi Wisdom

INDIA

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[12-09, 20:30 IST]

javab e jaahilaan, khamushi baashad.

preaching love doesn't mean equating truth with falsehood or believing falsehood to be equal to truth.

it is ramadan. i have my own sins to worry about. may Allah
forgive us all.

"javab e jaahilaan, khamushi baashad"

dear beloved wali Naqshbandi (may you be doused in ittar and smell so fragrant that bees mistake you for flowers. Ameen).

The Jaahil continue to pester me wali (ruh). They say, if you indeed use such a wonderful approach of "silence is golden" in retort to jahilliyah, then why did you tell certain gentle hindu brothers to go fuk themselves and stick things up thier arse#?

I tell them that you, in your great wisdom, must have a reason. But frankly, my gumrah brain cannot come up with a reason.

Please help.

with much respect,
thinking storm

Naqsh:

It amazes me how you can believe these stories literally. Anyway, I think that I would differ somewhat with you on your translation of 'baqa'. I think it means "what remains" (as in baqaya) and not "everlasting subsistence of God". This also seems to go more accurately with your parable.

jayp:

I thought that Shiva is Destroyer and the Creator function belongs to Brahma. No?

dmsahib, I don't think naqsh bhai believes these stories to be literally true. On the other hand, if these stories are NOT true, then sufism is not needed. The Quran (and the Prophet's life as Quran instantiated for all Muslims) should be enough.

i do believe them literally and why should it amaze you?

Re: # 49
Thanks, but I thought Muqarram Saheb of the Shahi Masjid was the one who people looked at for the signal

the point is contantly raised here ...for debne chicken became alive...


not go so far...i think in 1900 in india...Peer Mahar Ali Shah of Golra made a challenge to Mirza Ghulam Ahmed Qadiyani that....of Manazra...about islam and Ahmediat...

Mirza Ghulam agreed....but ran from that Manazra ..as he not reached Lahore Railway Station while Mahar ali shah had reached....

he then said mahar ali...that both of us write a tafseer of quran...the best one will be judged by a neutral and he will be on truth

mahar ali replied...just we sit on two adjacents tables with papers in our front....whose pen raised in the air automatically and start writing the tafseer ..he will be the winner and the other will be a liar....

Ghulamahmed...trembled to hear that....


he then said to mahar ali .....we both do something special...mahar ali replied...both of us jump from the towering minarates of Badshahi Mosque of Lahore..a man who will reach the land safe and sound will be the winner...again ghulam ahmed ran....

then finally he said to mahar ali that...let us both pray for two sick persons..and the from which pray..a sick will recover ..will be the winner....

mahar ali replied...just forget about the sick...bring two dead persons...for one i pray..for one you pray...by which dua..dead man will raise to life again ..who will be winner....


and the Ghulam Ahmed Qadiani than ran in such a way that he never dared to challenge him...


Point is ..when Mehar Ali Shah ..by grace of Allah can show this ...why not Sh.Jilani...and when some person resisted aginst Mehar ali of bringing a dead to life..he replied....i coud even claim something greater than this....

mashallah dawa-i-dil, you proved the living wali naqshbandi (may Allah exalt his status)'s point.

Unfortunately, I lack the brain power to explain these things to the doubting ganwar jahils who doubt these stories.

Thank you for the details and miracles of Peer Mahar Ali Shah.
with much respect,
thinking storm

Dost mitter 52,

My understanding, which I find conceptually sound is that brahma is the creator in a metahysical, ineffable sense that he is the creator of the shiva and vishnu as well. That is why there are no temples ( except bar one ) for brahma, because brahma is inconceivable, ineffable and as such no image can be created. May be one day I have to see the brahma temple in simla and see the image.

For all the humans and in a physical sense, shiva is the creator, because nothing can be created without destroying something else.

There are various statues of the dance of the shiva, and it is the dance that creates and destroys, hence when you buy a "nataraja" statue, check the pose some are good some are "bad" for the house you that keeps it.

Form

Re: # 37

That is the problem with Islam of the Pakistanis.
For them there has to be an onject of Love which they claim to be an imagined formless moon God.
Lahol...... can there be anything more absurd than this concept of love for that imagined moon deity??

Prema or Love in itself is required to attain the truth. Prema dose not require an OBJECT ....howsoever absurd that object may be ......

As it is said dhai akhar prem ka padhe jo pundit hoi .....

these mullahs do not understand that Prema itself is the way towards emergence of light in the heart and realization of the atman.

Prema does not require an absurd object like the fomrless moon deity of Arab.

Discussion about sufism is the most irrelevant at present. The lal majid guys have attacked the elite pak military that attacked lal masjid. This is no more attack on the civilians, or the military in general, this is search and destry mission by the jihadis so that no military will dare to take them on in the future.

This is a challenge of immense magnitude and pak military will not be able to take this on. With more and more troops being taken prisoners, pak army is likely to surrender.

There will be only helicopter attackers in waziristan with all troops removed from the tribal area.

Nasqbandi #39

Hai, you seem to be a real sufi and I agree with most of what you say. You are not saying the stuff properly.

The world as we see is an interpretation that we have acquired since birth. We have been told what is important, what is unimportant, and we have been taught to focus on certain aspects of what we sense. For example, a botanist wlaking in park will see different things than engineer. An arb with 200 words for camel will see something very diffrent than some one who sees a camel for the first time.

So the world we live in is created by each person through a precess of selective focus and interpretation that influences our perception. This is "maya", which many call as illusion. ( this is absolutely wrong, illusion is something not real, while maya is the reality itself, interpreted as a version of reality ).

It is possible that through systematic training and meditation, one can alter the interpretation and thus the perception of what is out there through our senses. It may be possible to experience god, to talk to the dead, travel through time, see the furture...you name it.

The problem though is that to follow this path one has to believe in it, that such things are possible. Because we are talking about the realm of subjective experience there may not be any objective proof, and hence cannot be "scientific". Nasq...I am all along with you and tell me what sufism leads you into.

I do not have much trust in you, because you are an anti ahmadia, you are not open minded, and as such I may reach sufi heaven earlier than you.

Re: # 56

dawa e dil thank you so much for mentioning the glorious name of huzoor sayyid al sa'adat khwaja e khwajagan pir sayyid mihr ali shah golrawi rahmatullah alayhi and his karamat!

once also pir sayyid mihr ali shah sahib were coming back from hajj on a ship and on that ship there was also an english general with his rifle. someone had a little parrot on the ship which was sitting on a wooden perch. pir sahib had a tasbih. pir sahib and the general got talking and the general mocked the tasbih of the pir sahib saying, 'what power is in that tasbih, why do you keep on counting the beads?' pir sahib didn't say anything and kept on doing his zikr. the general carried on talking boasting about the power of his rifle. see this rifle he said, this is what contains real power and he pointed his rifle at the parrot on the perch and shot it dead. 'that's the power of my rifle ' he said mockingly to pir sahib, what is the power of your tasbih. hazrat pir sayyid mihr ali shah sahib, walked up to where the dead parrot lay on the floor and put his tasbih on it. the parrot came back to life and flew away. 'that is the power of my tasbih' said pir sahib! the army officer became a muslim and a murid of qibla pir sayyid mihr ali shah sahib!

subhan Allah! what a beautiful saint of Allah he was who completely defeated the dajjal from Qadian too as bro dawa e dil has shown.

Naqsh sahib,

(walked up to where the dead parrot lay on the floor and put his tasbih on it. the parrot came back to life and flew away.)

You actually believe this happened???


(as bro dawa e dil has shown. )

its sis dawa e dil actually.

Regards

Re: # 62

naqshbandi,

..... please quit while you are ahead and stop making a fool out of yourself ....... as i have said before, your brand of islam is much better than the joyless and beligerent wahabsim promoted by suicidal homiciders like zeemax and urstruly, but you don't have to turn it into a farce ........ let me assure you that a dead parrot can never fly again ....

..... i know it is ramadhan and muslims are supposed to stave themselves, but i would recommend that you eat something before you loose your mind completely ..........

....... i wish you well, even though you are embarassing me ....