Ramadan Special: Tales of Sufi Wisdom

Urstruly:
If you have an air-tight proof of the existence of "GOD" then you are a faithless man just like an average Joe.

Why is God expected to pay your case an iota of divine attention on Roz-e-Mehshar/Judgement Day. You deserve His eternal indifference and nothing less.

i got to go now, urstruly if you have any further comments about the topic we will discuss later or maybe you can have it on your ilog.

one at last post for today........

urstruly,

abu hanifas action showed that there was no compelling evidence to disprove the exist of god. But not compelling enough to prove its existence.

so may be in the end he too was proving the agnostic point of view.

Hazoor Naqshbandi-

There is a Wali Naqshbandi appreciation thread on Chok unplugged. Your presence will enlighten us all.

Subhanallah.
with much respect,
thinking storm

okla sahib #91 You ask
How can one be intellectually honest if one is not a true believer???

Simple - when you say you "believe" something, or have "faith" of some kind, you imply that this is something that you cannot prove. Thus, I can say for a fact that the earth is round, since there is a way to prove it. I cannot say for a fact that God exists, since there is no way to prove it. So, I can be intellectually honest, and say I believe in God's existence. Or I can be intellectually dishonest (as Urstruly was being), and say that I know it to be the Absolute Truth that God's existence.

How can one be a true believer if one is not intellectually honest???
See response above. :-)

Netizen #92 in response to my saying "it is not for humans to know the Absolute Truth." you wrote why not??

Because we are limited in our perceptions by an image of reality through our five senses. That of itself is a severe limitation, and this was pointed out centuries ago by Kant, e.g.

But there is more - scientific advancements of the 20th century have shattered our comfortable notion that reality is anything like we perceive it. Check out e.g. the strange world of subatomic physics which we can intuitively understand no more than a dog can intuitively understand algebra (e.g. multiple dimensions, even multiple universes; or the awesome big bang that took place 16 billion years ago). Only the total dud, unaware of things discovered over a hundred years ago, still believes that reality is anything like what we understand it, much less that humans have the mental capacity to comprehend things like the Absolute Truth.

Tahmed sahib/Naqsh sahib,

As you would be aware the vultures are threatened with extinction in the Indian subcontinent. Can you guys work some miracle and revive the dead birds. Thanking you in advance.

Regards

Re: # 72 posted by zeemax....

thanks zeemax...

Re: # 119 majumdar sahib..we all are very sinful muslims..we are not even the foot level of these pious people...

Urstruly....sahab..thanks for your nice words....

Actually...your point was that ...despite Pir Mehar Ali Shah..defeated Mirza sahab..he himself could not do that....

but this is not true....if he himself could not do that..why he claimed such difficult tasks to Mirza Sahab....logically wrong...

Imam zahbi..is considered as one of he greatest critic and opponent of Sufis...and Saudi scholars consider him imam ..and quote his rulings ..in thier fatwas....after Imam Ibne Tamiyya and Imam Ibne Jauzi..etc...

IMAM ZAHBI HAS WRITTEN THAT....

" A man who brought Balqees throne in a second was nothing but a karamat of a that person...so a jahil can negate the karamats of sufia...hence we fully acknoledge the miracles of sufias.."

Kitab ul Oollod ul Arsh
Imam zahbi
Pg. 56

" I have come across the such a large numbers of miracles of Sh Abdul qadir Jilani ...that no wali ...can parallel to him in this regard..."

Kitab Ollod ul Arsh
Imam zahbi
Pg 193

www.islam-qa.com ..is considered as the world greatest wahabi or salafi website of answers and questions...in 8 languages ..and under the supervision of saudi scholars....

lets take a look on that....


Question:
What do you think of Sheikh Abdul Qadir Jilani?
I have heard some really bad stories about Abdul Wahab and how he disgraced the religion of Islam? What is your opinion on this?

Answer:

Praise be to Allaah.
When speaking about people, what we say must be based on knowledge and fairness. In the case of a man who has achieved a great deal in the way of religion, we must acknowledge his achievements, but that does not prevent us from pointing out his mistakes. This general principle is to be applied when speaking of Shaykh ‘Abd al-Qaadir al-Jilaani and other Muslim scholars.

Dawa behen,

(we all are very sinful muslims..we are not even the foot level of these pious people... )

I think u r just being very modest. I am sure u can work miracles. Yes, kanjaroooons like Tahmed sahib and Manto mian are a different matter

Regards

Shaykh ‘Abd al-Qaadir (may Allaah have mercy on him) is one of the imaams of Islam. He attained a position of leadership over the Muslims of his time, in knowledge, good deeds, issuing fatwas and other aspects of religion. He was one of the greatest shaykhs of his time, enjoining adherence to the sharee’ah, enjoining what is good, forbidding what is evil, and giving that precedence over all else. He was an ascetic (zaahid) and a preacher, in whose gatherings many people repented. Allaah caused him to be well-liked by people and his virtue became widely-known – may Allaah bestow abundant mercy upon him.

Shaykh ‘Abd al-Qaadir was a follower, not an innovator. He followed the way of the righteous salaf and in his books he encouraged people to follow the salaf; he also enjoined that upon his followers. He used to tell people not to follow innovations in religion, and he stated clearly that he was opposed to the ahl al-kalaam (“Islamic philosophers”) such as the Ash’aris and their ilk.

Shaykh ‘Abd al-Qaadir agreed with Ahl al-Sunnah wa’l-Jamaa’ah – the followers of truth – concerning all issues of ‘aqeedah (belief), namely Tawheed, faith, Prophethood, and the Last Day.

There are some minor mistakes and errors in his books, and some innovations which are relatively insignificant when compared with his achievements. To find out more about them, along with an explanation of where he went wrong, please see Shaykh ‘Abd al-Qaadir al-Jilaani wa Araa’uhu al-I’tidaaqiyyah wa’l-Soofiyyah, by Shaykh Dr. Sa’eed ibn Musfir al-Qahtaani, 440-476.