Asif Naqshbandi September 12, 2007
#17 Posted by dawa-i-dil on September 13, 2007 7:11:40 am
But ..along with this..througout a span of 1400 years…a continuous debate of some the tangents of some sufia from the main stream shariah and fiqah scholars..starting from the famous quote of great faqeeh Imam Shafi..to Imam Ibne Tamiyya..Imam Ibne Jauzi…Imam Zahabi..etc etc…
#18 Posted by dawa-i-dil on September 13, 2007 7:12:02 am
The translation of the Greek literature in Mamoon ur Rasheed period …into arabic ..gave many philosophical mind teasing concepts and debates…clearly be seen in great scholars like Imam Ghazali..master piece Aiyai Uloom …and one and only…Ibne Arabi…plus on the philosophical touch of iran ancient Sassanaid empire amalgfumate to give some superficial properties to Hazrat Ali(ra)….and developing a sect in 15 century in Iran under Safvaid period…though before…Shia Sunni conflict was just the poltical rivaliries of Ummayyads and Hasmies…
#19 Posted by dawa-i-dil on September 13, 2007 7:12:33 am
Nor was that all…in indo pak..this concept reached in Wadhutul Wajood…in Akbar Peroid…by faizi…Abul fazal…and negation of Sh.Amed Sarhindi…and after beuitiful writings of Shah Wali ullah Dehalvi etc…
But still then..the sufias did that job …islam will proud of them till the doomsday…
But still then..the sufias did that job …islam will proud of them till the doomsday…
#20 Posted by dawa-i-dil on September 13, 2007 7:13:14 am
i am just an iota of existence to speak about such a ultra high concepts of wadhutul wajood and philosophicl speeches…God bless those great scholars and sufias..and imams…i am not even compareable to the dust of thier feet….so cannot say anything with perfection….
#21 Posted by dawa-i-dil on September 13, 2007 7:13:29 am
Regarding the differences ..the difference of ioponions is the crux and core of any civilized society…and in golden era of muslim culture in baghdad…Damasqus..Qairo…Spain..and Naishapur etc etc…in Abbasssaids periods….this differnce of opinions prevailed in every field…even in the great faqeehs of all times…4 imams of fiqah..ahle hadees..and other shia scholars….
#22 Posted by dawa-i-dil on September 13, 2007 7:13:42 am
Point is you can disagree with a person on one pont..not means that ..you can negate his all other achievements ..and good deeds….
#23 Posted by dawa-i-dil on September 13, 2007 7:13:55 am
am not an expert of any of the above scholar…but Imam Zahabi …himself have written that when somebody asked him about the claim of Ibne Arabi that prophet(pbuh) himself ordered Ibne Arabi to write his master piece “Fasoosul hakam” …Imam Zahabi replied..i cannot belive about the person of such a calibre like Inbne rabai that he will tell a lie in the name of prophet(pbuh)…..
#24 Posted by dawa-i-dil on September 13, 2007 7:14:06 am
His famoust rather master pieces like Fasoosul Hakam..and “Fathoohatai Makkia” are the most difficult books on philosophical and logical amd mystical subjects of 1400 yeras…only few …in these hundreds of yers fully knew about concepts of his books…so when peple of ordinary minds..dont understand his works..they start “fatwas factories” on differnt personalities….
#25 Posted by dawa-i-dil on September 13, 2007 7:14:23 am
I am not blaming any scholars liek Ibne Tamiyya..or iBNE jAUZI..ETC ETC…BUT UNFORTUNATELY..STILL…THE SCHOLARS OF SAUDIA..DO THE SAME…AND STRT IMMEDIATE FATWAS OF KUFR AND BIDDAH ON ANY ACT..WHICH ACCORDING TO THEM IS NOT IN qURAN OR bUKHARI sHAREEF…AS THEY ALSO DO “Taqleed” OF iBNE tAMIYYAH..iBNE jAUZI..OR iMAM ZAHABI
#26 Posted by dawa-i-dil on September 13, 2007 7:14:42 am
point is…diffrences of opinion is the beauty of a society..but fatwas typo things are not right…..The same saudi mind..is willing to low..innocent women and children in Iraq…not only to one sect..but also to Kurds children ..in Karkuk…..although they belong to sunni school of thought…
which islam allows you to kill innocents…..
which islam allows you to kill innocents…..
#27 Posted by dawa-i-dil on September 13, 2007 7:14:59 am
Sufias are great..and thier efforts for islam is far far greater than those scholars who ..unfortunatley..put a fatwa of “DEVIANT” on them…They have made billions of people as muslims..but Fatwa givers have only created hatred ..nothing else…
#28 Posted by dawa-i-dil on September 13, 2007 7:15:22 am
true..but blame is on present days “sufia” in habit of eating money…nazranai…chanda…dancing madly over qawalis…and thursday …arrival at the grave etc etc….
it has nothing to do with mysticism…this is just fraud …and whatsoever you call it….
Iqbal..is one of the strongest critic of such “sufism” and oppose it strictly…by saying…..
nikal kat khankaho sai katr ada Rasme-e-Shabiri….
it has nothing to do with mysticism…this is just fraud …and whatsoever you call it….
Iqbal..is one of the strongest critic of such “sufism” and oppose it strictly…by saying…..
nikal kat khankaho sai katr ada Rasme-e-Shabiri….
#29 Posted by zeemax on September 13, 2007 7:35:59 am
#7-28 Posted by dawa-i-dil,
Excellent ... particularly #28. You are great !!!
Excellent ... particularly #28. You are great !!!
#30 Posted by laddu on September 13, 2007 7:36:21 am
Sufis are munafiqoons.
Ask any one of the Wahabbis and Moududi lovers in Pakistan.
They would tell you that sufis would be the next in the line of fire after the Mirzais.
Ask any one of the Wahabbis and Moududi lovers in Pakistan.
They would tell you that sufis would be the next in the line of fire after the Mirzais.
#31 Posted by laddu on September 13, 2007 7:41:52 am
Sufis have been left un attended by these moududi lovers because the hate agenda of eliminating idolators has still not been completed.
But some times these faithfuls consider the munafiqoons a greater threat because they exist inside the Islam and slowly dilutes their cult of hate. That is why these munafiqoons may become the first targets of hate in Islam.
Aurangazeb was clear about it and showed the way to all the Pakistanis.
But some times these faithfuls consider the munafiqoons a greater threat because they exist inside the Islam and slowly dilutes their cult of hate. That is why these munafiqoons may become the first targets of hate in Islam.
Aurangazeb was clear about it and showed the way to all the Pakistanis.
#32 Posted by laddu on September 13, 2007 7:55:42 am
Sufis are hated by the 'pure' faithfuls of Pure Land because they have slowly and steadily been diluting the agenda of hatred against idolators and kafirs.
Mullah Islam survives on hatred towards non muslims and attributing conspiracies towards non - muslims. If love enters the heart, then mullahs would never be able to spread their message of hatred.
Mullah Islam survives on hatred towards non muslims and attributing conspiracies towards non - muslims. If love enters the heart, then mullahs would never be able to spread their message of hatred.
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