Limits of Multiculturalism

Another disingenuous article from the kuldip nayyar wannabe...

Why won't DM come out and admit that, despite the few sikh examples he can muster, the whole problem of non-assimilation is a problem mostly with muslims...from the refusal to use cleansing gel in UK hospitals to going apeshit over farm visits to the demand for sharia to the refusal to deal with piggy banks etc etc etc.

Canadian model or multi culti model is bullshit...melting pot works better. You should have to give something of your self to make the oilo much richer i.e. melting pot. Multi culti creates the bradfords and the parisian suburbs and pakivilles outside of toronto. It almost always leads to failure..because it starts with a failed premise that the patchwork will create value.

The article refers nicely to the generic relation of minority ,cultural religous and lingual,in global society ..when we speak of world being Global village .
Is it some cementing prospect or cause of deep fissure ,god forbid resulting ethnic cleansing as back lash

#2 or
some in usa refer it to salad bowl

ferzana would love it in canadia.

Re: # 1
it's not only a muslim problem.

Life for murder plot grandmother
Bachan Athwal said she wanted to defend the family honour
A grandmother who ordered the so-called "honour killing" of her daughter-in-law has been jailed for life. Bachan Athwal and her son Sukhdave, 43, arranged the murder of Surjit Athwal, 27, who vanished during a trip to India in 1998, the Old Bailey heard. Bachan, 70, and her son, both of Hayes, west London, were found guilty of murder in July. Surjit's brother, Jagdeesh Singh, criticised police in the UK and India for "inadequacies" in the inquiry. Bachan must serve at least 20 years in jail and her son was jailed for a minimum of 27 years. Judge Giles Forrester told them: "The pair of you decided that the so-called honour of your family members was worth more than the life of this young woman. "You, Bachan, were head of that family. I have no doubt you exercised a controlling influence over other family members." Victim had affair During the trial jurors heard Surjit, who was originally from Coventry, vanished "off the surface of the earth" after attending a family wedding in Punjab with her mother-in-law, almost nine years ago. Prosecutors claimed Bachan, who has 16 grandchildren, ordered Surjit's death at a family meeting after finding out she had been having an affair and wanted a divorce. Family stricken with grief Murder without a body of evidence
Bachan, a mother-of-six, vowed a divorce would only take place "over my dead body". She had boasted to her family she had got rid of Surjit by getting a relative to strangle her and throw her body into a river. But it was years before her frightened relatives gathered the courage to contact the police to relate Bachan's claims. The CPS said they were aware that a person was tried and acquitted of kidnap with intent in India. Speaking after the sentencing Surjit's brother said the conviction and sentencing has been "a long time coming". "Surjit's murderers have finally been punished after escaping justice for eight-and-a-half years." Public inquiry call He said the investigation had broken through "lies and official lapses which have obscured Surjit's murder for so long". While praising detectives he said "the long journey of Surjit's case has exposed serious inadequacies in policing practise and government policy in the UK as well as in India where Surjit was murdered". He called for a public inquiry into his sister's death and that of Banaz Mahmod whose father and brother were found guilty in June of her murder. Det Ch Insp Clive Driscoll, who led the case, said the sentencing marked the end of a long road. He said: "We have worked closely with Surjit's family, the defendant's extended family and the Sikh community to secure this conviction. "For Surjit's family and friends, the pain of losing her in such a cruel way will continue, but I hope they are comforted by the fact that her killers are now behind bars."

The author writes "The Western societies are at a cross-road. For their own sake as well as the sake of the newer communities that have made these societies their home, they should engage in a debate in a frank and sincere manner to determine the limits of multiculturalism in their societies. Then, and only then, can they ask newcomers to stay within those limits. "

It is already severely limited because there is no such thing at the institutional level. The Sikh can wear a turban but will the institution with its culture allow for his rapid promotion if he does not mold himself according to its bureaucratic rules and procedures? What the author does not get is that the West, especially the US, the so called melting-pot, is a highly bureaucratized society that molds and shapes the very psyche of people based on a predetermined standard if they are to go anywhere in that society. So be happy, wear your hijabs, win cases in court but you aren't going anywhere unless you play by the rules of the US elite, and their rules imply that their system colonizes your person and personality; on the peon level feel all the joy you wanna feel with fancy meaningless terms like multiculturalism, in the corridors of power as in the mass society at the institutional level only one culture dominates and that is corporate culture, break from it and you remain at the bottom. What multiculturalism debate? they have even destroyed your basic family unit, outsourced its functions as you all busy yourselves as corporate slaves. No multiculturalism or melting pot exists, it is plain simple invasion succession, invasion by the corporate culture, until everyone is converted into cheerful morons...All these shenanigans just keep the puppets busy and their strings invisible...

#6 Posted by aslam644 on September 20, 2007 12:13:05 pm

Are you daft? I said it's mostly a muslim problem..For every such example you post, I can post 50 examples of your brit-pakislamofascist brothers not assimilating...

Wow, Masadi's post is to the point and correct. What about those of us who thrive in that corporate culture?

abey teri ma ko kya khujli hoti hai musalman assimilate kar ya nahin.

it does nt matter how much energy you expend typing here or how many examples u pull out of ur moms hind we wont assimilate hinood

It is not only muslims, the right wing groups have agenda much wider than that, the roma people have been in Europe for hundreds of years,yet they live on the margins of euro-society, they practise Christianity though originally from India.

Europe's Roma (Gypsies) were much in the news in 2005. Claims of discrimination and racism—including appeals to the U.K. Human Rights Act of 1998—filled the British press. In May Germany returned to their native Kosovo 60 of the estimated 34,000 Roma who had enjoyed a temporary protected status since the outbreak of the Kosovo conflict in 1999. In the Czech Republic the government ombudsman began an investigation into claims that Romani women had been sterilized without informed consent. In October a Bulgarian court upheld a claim brought against the Ministry of Education alleging racial segregation in schools. Meanwhile, Roma continued to make inroads into political participation when Livia Jaroka, the first Romani member of the European Parliament, took her seat in that organization after Hungary joined the EU in 2004.
First they came for the Jews
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for the Communists
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Communist.
Then they came for the trade unionists
and I did not speak out
because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for me
and there was no one left
to speak out for me.
Pastor Martin Niemöller

Dost Sahib,

A very well written article.


with much respect,
thinking storm

masadi.

Well stated!

"they have even destroyed your basic family unit, outsourced its functions as you all busy yourselves as corporate slaves"


with much respect,
thinking storm

Arjun,

We are daft indeed. That's why we rely so heavily on your biased and unwavering focus on all things muslim and pakistani.

Keep up the good work!
with much respect,
thinking storm

Multiculturalism is a dead and useless doctrine. It was poorly thought through and the sooner it is shown the collective door the better for mankind.

We don't need no multicultism.

I never understood how the multiculturalism translated to the street reality in Canada compared to the US?

I mean...what difference did it really make to the national fibre or to the immigrants?

The melting pot, the salad bowl, the mosaic, I wonder if anyone can help me understand how the differences between these concepts translated in real terms to the actual people
with much respect,
thinking storm