William Dalrymple September 20, 2007
#128 Posted by zahid_e_khushk on September 23, 2007 7:23:20 am
Laddu Sahib,
the ethical system of the 'noble pagans' of the time of the 'Kaba-looting' -- as you say -- Islamic Prophet is indeed so 'developed' and 'emancipatory' that the women and men used to worship their idols naked publicly!
Some 'noble pagans' had the unique and enlightening idea of letting their wives sleep with a number of men after each child birth in order to 'purify' them!
Is their anything 'ethical' in the attitude of these pagans -- a direct consequence of their God's understanding and the relevant world view -- that you call noble?
the ethical system of the 'noble pagans' of the time of the 'Kaba-looting' -- as you say -- Islamic Prophet is indeed so 'developed' and 'emancipatory' that the women and men used to worship their idols naked publicly!
Some 'noble pagans' had the unique and enlightening idea of letting their wives sleep with a number of men after each child birth in order to 'purify' them!
Is their anything 'ethical' in the attitude of these pagans -- a direct consequence of their God's understanding and the relevant world view -- that you call noble?
#127 Posted by Naqshbandi on September 23, 2007 7:16:09 am
look, no one is forcing you to love islam. if you are happy as an idolworshipping hindu pagan that is fine by me--live and let live. but your obssession with islam tells me that you secretly know it is the truth but you cannot bring yourself to accept it. don't worry, millions of your compatriots already have broken the shackles of butparasti and entered the manly world of butshikani. why don't you too join them?
#126 Posted by Naqshbandi on September 23, 2007 7:12:24 am
your dream of muslims hating islam or diluting it to please you and your ilk are just the fantasies of an ignoble ignorant bunch of pagans.
#125 Posted by Naqshbandi on September 23, 2007 7:07:24 am
hey laddu or paddu or tota raam, whatever your name is, i mistakenly took your queries as those of a former muslim who wished genuinely to know about the islamic legal view on apostates. i now realise from your despicable comments that you are a hater of islam and are a hindu idol-worshipper, polytheist, but-parast, call it whatever you will.
As a but-parast you'd have to pay the jizya--if you were lucky.
May Allah guide you to the truth of Islam. amen.
As a but-parast you'd have to pay the jizya--if you were lucky.
May Allah guide you to the truth of Islam. amen.
#124 Posted by laddu on September 23, 2007 6:56:50 am
Re: # 119
"A fundamental part of the character building teachings of these religions is the concept of struggle -- a Muslim would call it Jihad -- in the way of God and hence confrontation with the ungodly ones who are percieved by them as being at least misled by Satan if not outright God's enemies."
this is the biggest propaganda by Islam.
Every religion has a notion of struggle of God with evil forces and is defined in their own stories and objects of faith.
right from Greek to Parsi to Vedic to Tribal aimistic such stories of struggle abound. I do not understand how is it peculiar to Islam.
The problem is that in the modern world every one has got over these tota-maina stories of jihadic struggle. It is only the muslim who believe in it in the modern times.
"A fundamental part of the character building teachings of these religions is the concept of struggle -- a Muslim would call it Jihad -- in the way of God and hence confrontation with the ungodly ones who are percieved by them as being at least misled by Satan if not outright God's enemies."
this is the biggest propaganda by Islam.
Every religion has a notion of struggle of God with evil forces and is defined in their own stories and objects of faith.
right from Greek to Parsi to Vedic to Tribal aimistic such stories of struggle abound. I do not understand how is it peculiar to Islam.
The problem is that in the modern world every one has got over these tota-maina stories of jihadic struggle. It is only the muslim who believe in it in the modern times.
#123 Posted by laddu on September 23, 2007 6:49:54 am
Re: # 120
Pointing fingers at others is no answer to absolve the culpability of the murderous intents of a faithful.
The call for my murder is clear on this Pakistani site.
Every hindu idolator must read Quran and Hadith to see what is in store for them.
Pointing fingers at others is no answer to absolve the culpability of the murderous intents of a faithful.
The call for my murder is clear on this Pakistani site.
Every hindu idolator must read Quran and Hadith to see what is in store for them.
#122 Posted by laddu on September 23, 2007 6:46:43 am
Re: # 121
I would even say that perhaps Atheists have a better Ethical system than a taquiyya professing mullah who lies at the drop of hat in the name of Islam.
NO Islamic so-called 'superior' Shariah from that pyschic prophet can be match even one millionth of the Judicial Systems of god-forsaken Secular and Un-godly modern nation states.
I would even say that perhaps Atheists have a better Ethical system than a taquiyya professing mullah who lies at the drop of hat in the name of Islam.
NO Islamic so-called 'superior' Shariah from that pyschic prophet can be match even one millionth of the Judicial Systems of god-forsaken Secular and Un-godly modern nation states.
#121 Posted by laddu on September 23, 2007 6:41:58 am
Re: # 119
"Contrary to that big spiritual picture of Christianity and Islam idolators have a very personal or at the most regional or cultural picture of the Almighty don't posses a universal message or ethical system."
I am sorry to hear that muslims actually believe in the propaganda of mullahs that pagans do not have a "universal message or ethical system" .
This is far from the truth , the pagans even during the days of mohammad were noble and their women were hnourable and powerful.
How can one explain the fact that mohammad was a docile and obedient one-woman husband till the time he was a servant-husband of the powerful pagan woman Khadija.
It is only a propaganda since Islamic days to deride pagans and idolators in order to use this as a political excuse to commit their genocide, rape their women and loot for providing a fifth part to their deity.
"Contrary to that big spiritual picture of Christianity and Islam idolators have a very personal or at the most regional or cultural picture of the Almighty don't posses a universal message or ethical system."
I am sorry to hear that muslims actually believe in the propaganda of mullahs that pagans do not have a "universal message or ethical system" .
This is far from the truth , the pagans even during the days of mohammad were noble and their women were hnourable and powerful.
How can one explain the fact that mohammad was a docile and obedient one-woman husband till the time he was a servant-husband of the powerful pagan woman Khadija.
It is only a propaganda since Islamic days to deride pagans and idolators in order to use this as a political excuse to commit their genocide, rape their women and loot for providing a fifth part to their deity.
#120 Posted by bubba on September 23, 2007 6:19:31 am
Actually many have opined that killing in the name of religion is justified. Can you identify why is it that only the jews/christians/muslims have killed in the name of their religion? The first killings of those non-believers started in the tribal mindset of the semites. Then they went to Africa and grabbed humans and sold them as slaves. After all this is not sanctioned by their religion.
Laddu, if you want to lay blame then the blame rests solely on the jewish dogma of their superiority, and their being chosen people. Like everything else, they have started the concept of hate. Otherwise we would all have sung the praise of Pluto, and his philosophy.
Laddu, if you want to lay blame then the blame rests solely on the jewish dogma of their superiority, and their being chosen people. Like everything else, they have started the concept of hate. Otherwise we would all have sung the praise of Pluto, and his philosophy.
#119 Posted by zahid_e_khushk on September 23, 2007 6:10:45 am
Laddu Sahib,
what troubles religions of Abrahamic tradition with idolatry requires a more serious reflection. You'll have to understand the image of God the sole creator of this universe and man as his creation as seen by these religions. Idolatry is usually percieved by these religions as God's insult and certainly also a great folly on the part of the man himself -- a direct consequence of Satan's incited waywardness.
Christianity and Islam have a universal message of God to believe in and spread. A fundamental part of the character building teachings of these religions is the concept of struggle -- a Muslim would call it Jihad -- in the way of God and hence confrontation with the ungodly ones who are percieved by them as being at least misled by Satan if not outright God's enemies. Both religions've a strong passion about the shaping of the world according to their image of God and understanding of God's message. This incites effort on their part to subjugate the idolators as the God-deniers.
Contrary to that big spiritual picture of Christianity and Islam idolators have a very personal or at the most regional or cultural picture of the Almighty don't posses a universal message or ethical system.
what troubles religions of Abrahamic tradition with idolatry requires a more serious reflection. You'll have to understand the image of God the sole creator of this universe and man as his creation as seen by these religions. Idolatry is usually percieved by these religions as God's insult and certainly also a great folly on the part of the man himself -- a direct consequence of Satan's incited waywardness.
Christianity and Islam have a universal message of God to believe in and spread. A fundamental part of the character building teachings of these religions is the concept of struggle -- a Muslim would call it Jihad -- in the way of God and hence confrontation with the ungodly ones who are percieved by them as being at least misled by Satan if not outright God's enemies. Both religions've a strong passion about the shaping of the world according to their image of God and understanding of God's message. This incites effort on their part to subjugate the idolators as the God-deniers.
Contrary to that big spiritual picture of Christianity and Islam idolators have a very personal or at the most regional or cultural picture of the Almighty don't posses a universal message or ethical system.
#118 Posted by Shah2 on September 23, 2007 5:37:51 am
Laddu and others Amartya Sen the Niobel Laurette has written a book The Argumentative Indian...I think you have no employment or day job in Punjab Hain Lol
#117 Posted by laddu on September 23, 2007 5:08:22 am
Re: # 116
Let us not try and find humour in the genocidical intents and murderous expressions that hide in the name of religiosity and spirituality within Islam.
Let us not try and find humour in the genocidical intents and murderous expressions that hide in the name of religiosity and spirituality within Islam.
#116 Posted by echoboom on September 23, 2007 4:59:00 am
Quran is very clear & forthright in instructing muslims to
beat the shit out of the Paddus.*
After such treatment the colic & cramps in their stomach is gone..that is,if they are not gone, first.
(*as per tafseer of Mulla multiboomboom in his "A Paddus guide to Islam & Muslims")
beat the shit out of the Paddus.*
After such treatment the colic & cramps in their stomach is gone..that is,if they are not gone, first.
(*as per tafseer of Mulla multiboomboom in his "A Paddus guide to Islam & Muslims")
#115 Posted by laddu on September 23, 2007 4:40:58 am
Re: # 114
To continue with my contention, ALL idolators must read Quran and Hadith if they are to correctly understand the roots of violence wthin political Islam- it is within the Quran and the Hadiths.
finally, unless and until Sufi followers like Naqshabandi try and reject the message of hate within verses of Quran there is no hope for muslims.
To continue with my contention, ALL idolators must read Quran and Hadith if they are to correctly understand the roots of violence wthin political Islam- it is within the Quran and the Hadiths.
finally, unless and until Sufi followers like Naqshabandi try and reject the message of hate within verses of Quran there is no hope for muslims.
#114 Posted by laddu on September 23, 2007 4:36:21 am
"because this behavior permeates in the society at large, and therefore must not be allowed. "
There is NOTHING wrong with idolatory or but-parasti and cannot be equated with any other crime (assuming you consider homosexuality to be a crime as well).
Actually, hatred against idolatory was pushed by Mohammad in order to justify his occupasion and loot of Kabba and other places.
Hatred against kafirs and idolators is the cause of the fascistic push of the political Islam.
That is what dis-proves my contention against the very title of this article -
It is TERROR and HATRED against idolators and kafirs that is the engine of political Islam.
There is NOTHING wrong with idolatory or but-parasti and cannot be equated with any other crime (assuming you consider homosexuality to be a crime as well).
Actually, hatred against idolatory was pushed by Mohammad in order to justify his occupasion and loot of Kabba and other places.
Hatred against kafirs and idolators is the cause of the fascistic push of the political Islam.
That is what dis-proves my contention against the very title of this article -
It is TERROR and HATRED against idolators and kafirs that is the engine of political Islam.
#113 Posted by bubba on September 23, 2007 4:31:29 am
bhai laddu, muslims/christians/jews do have a problem with your "but parastee", because this behavior permeates in the society at large, and therefore must not be allowed. Just like homosexuality these believers want to keep their flock safe from the ills of the society. Due to their physical power they somehow assume the mantle to provide grace to humanity, so killing others is the first order of business. These semitic religions have come about by using force on one another, and when that does not work they go about killing the rest of humanity to their philosophy. So bhai saheb the minions of these group would continue this behavior because their religion is the best tool they have got to completely control humanity.
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