Musharraf the Out-smarter

Re: # 326
[...Pakistan's relations with Taliban were soured after destruction of Buddhas ...]

Ha ha... if you believe that then i have bridge brooklyn i can sell to you...

Pakis and their BS - it never ends :)

HE writes "Pakistan's economic upturn is a fact, dear. Refusing to acknowledge what govt as well as independent analysts have confirmed only points to your prejudice and/or lack of objectivity"

It is a fact only in the propaganda speeches of the ruling elite. It is not a fact for the vast majority, the masses in this country who are languishing in poverty and due to runaway inflation are much worse off than they were when the sob took office. The FACT is that all human development indicators, published by the UN and WB for Pakistan are among the lowest of the low in the world, the major industry of Pakistan is still the 17th century king, i.e. textiles, and it is still a feudal country. Dont try to "dear" me when you don't know sh** about the state of affairs of this country. High GDP and foreign exchange reserves means absolutely nothing when all the gains are going to the top few, and when the country's assets are being sold at pennies to the dollar to the "lowest bidder" who has connections with the corrupt ruling junta- those are people's assets and the people have been ground to the bone...

re: #300 mohar11

Indira was no champion of democracy (remember the 1975 Emergency?) and no friend of people of Pakistan either. Just like Israel seeks a weak Lebanon to its north, India seeks a weak Pakistan to its west. Indira came close to this goal in '71 but underestimated the resilience and resolve of the Pakistani people in preventing Hindu hegemony in the subcontinent.

Remember it was a civilian, Z.A.Bhutto, and not an army general who launched Pakistan's nuclear program in response to 1974 Pokhran tests with the words "We will build the bomb even if we have to eat grass"?

re: #296 masadi

The effects of progress are visible on the streets of not only the major cities, but even the villages and smaller towns where people have reaped the benefits of real estate boom, telecomm revolution, rising incomes and unprecedented growth in services sector.

Pakistan's economic upturn is a fact, dear. Refusing to acknowledge what govt as well as independent analysts have confirmed only points to your prejudice and/or lack of objectivity.

re: #300 mohar11

You Hindus need to learn lessons of history yourself before you can lecture anybody else.

Your "one phone call changed it all" fairy tale won't fly here. Most people here already know that Pakistan's relations with Taliban were soured after destruction of Buddhas & protection of Sunni militants by Mullah Omar. That all mainstream political parties and newspapers welcomed the U-turn in Pakistan's afghan policy is a well-known, well-documented fact that for some reason has failed to penetrate thick-headed types like yourself.

#86 Cliftonbridge
"Only theives perverts fools and murderers can be democratically elected in pakistan at this point. And dont think they wont fall over themselves to prostitute themselves to imperialist agendas either".

Bibi, you ar being very unfair here. If you carefully look at the list of liars and cheaters in some posts you will notice that only the names of all the generals are included.

But you will not find the names of those heroic sons (or even daughter) of humanity like ZAB, NS, and BB in that list. So, obviously, there is still hope for Pakistan.

Don't you agree (as some of them are still available to "selflessly" serve the people of Pakistan)?

Re: # 317

HP
Thank you dear for your courteous response. I totally agree with you what you say now. We are constrained to discuss ethnic background of army generals because of Mush's links with MQM (Matarua Qaatil Maafia). Otherwise I used to like him very much as a liberal general coming ,as he was, after that pseudo Islamist Zia.

Here I would like to express my condemnation for the manhandling, yesterday, of Farooq Sattar as he was perhaps the only non-matarua gentleman in the MQM. It could have perhaps been forgiven if it had been done with the persons like Waseem Akhtar, verily a 'kan-tutta' matarua.

From the other thread

Feroz writes "Note: The decision was based on the existence of the law, the Seventeeth Amendment, which incorporated the entire Legal Framework Order into the constitution and in fact, made it de jure.

Who made the law and passed the Seventeenth Amendment?

The Superme Court of Pakistan or the MMA?"


Of course, what else do we expect from a supporter of Neo-colonials and their dictators, little wonder that a name of someone Western wasn't thrown out as "authority" in this post. That said this is a bunch of BS. Amendments to the constitutions cannot be made to accomodate one person as against the nation, they cannot be made when the legislature- elected or not- is under the gun of military rule, and further the 17th Amendment (as Aitzaz Ahsan made clear quite clearly) does not authorize a military general in service to run for presidential elections. It merely allows the current president to maintain his uniform until November of this year, both are logically very different and sorting out both the legitimacy of the 17th amendment as well as the logicality of the claims is the INTERPRETIVE function of the SC from which it DELIBERATELY ran away to produce this veiled support of dictatorship....

The SC voted to maintain the status quo and therefore its decision (or lack thereof) was an endorsemen of Musharraf. It decided similar to what the SC of Pakistan (subservient to the military) has been doing throughout the short history of Pakistan, nothing has changed. Even in the best scenario, if this decision was to prevent a premature Martial Law, even then justice was subverted based because the decision was not made on the merits of the case. The SC in both cases failed to check the excesses of the Executive and the Legislature and acted against the interests of the people. Its decision has made this country a laughing stock of the world where democracy is concerned, a military general in office running for the civilian presidency of a country- a banana republic of clowns....

#318, thanks. Values aren't as complex as people make them out to be...

hamidm #319: Are you trying to start another Battle of the Keyboard Klingons?

VOTE FOR A WINNER! VOTE FOR MUSHARRAF!

..... and i apologize for everything i have said about him in the past .... he is not a 'goon in khaki' and as far as i am concerned he deserves the title of baba-i- jamhooriyat ..... he is the father of democracy in pakistan and all the politicians put together cannot match a single dyed hair of his whiskers ...... he is bigger and badder than all the prophets allah has sent down to this point (which excludes tahmed) and i would suggest that the ummah fall in line behind him before they are struck by a thunderbolt .....

long live musharraf!
down with the loosers and whiners!
happy days will be here soon - ramadhan is almost over

"If you abandon value of life, the basic morality that makes you a Muslim and human, what the hell are you fighting for?"

Masadi Saheb,

You have really won my heart and this makes you far ahead of all those wolves in sheep clothing who feign sufism or some spirituality and spout nonsense about killing idolators like me because I do not want to be a part of their Islam.

I agree with you regarding America being in the grip of elites who support similar elites in third world nations in order to serve their hegemonic and capitalistic interests.

#308 Posted by teshah
Shah Sahib,
Meri kya majjal keh main aap say ikhtlaaf karoon. I did not mean to discuss the ethnic background of the Generals. My point was that no matter where they are from, they will support the army culture which is anti-civilian.

The new SC decision is interesting and basically Judges made the point that since the politicians in the assembly approved the current situation via the 17th amendment, now it is politicians’ job to change that decision. This actually is a good thing. Pakistani politicians were looking for the shortcut via the SC and that was an unreasonable expectation. The SC very effectively shot that down.

The struggle between the army and the civilians is direct now. The politicians, the Lawyers and other democratic loving people should now think about a direct confrontation with the army in the streets of Lahore, Pindi and other towns. The SC saga was created to limit the struggle for the democratic rights. However, the new judgment has placed the onus back on the political leaders to mobilize common man to lead this fight instead of a few judges in the Supreme Court. Small numbers of Judges can always be bought and sold but none can by millions of people.

As Najm Sethi today pointed out brining people out on the streets opens some unacceptable possibilities and one of them would be to allow the Islamist goons and Hayvanoons to control the streets and ultimately use that to usurp power. I guess that risk now has to be taken.

It is NOT the SC’s job to establish democracy in Pakistan. It will always be something that people of Pakistan will have to accomplish. Relying on crutches like the SC or the internal difference in the army or even the US pressure would not provide the ultimate relief to people of Pakistan.

Musharaf and the army have been thoroughly discredited in Pakistan and it is a matter time and some more pushes from the people to finally end the ignominy of living under the army rule.

lol...no argument there - well the SC did what it was supposed to do !! the right thing and the popular thing are not always the same thing. Pakistanis need to appreciate justice even when it works against them.

Wajihuddin: aapkay keemtee vote ka sahih haqdaar!! not that you and I are going to have any say in who gets to be elected, given that our basic right to vote has been stolen by this rascal.