Musharraf the Out-smarter

You guys are still on mile 0.
60 years ago, you broke a country saying Hindu hegemony
Hindu hegnemony.
After 60 years, you are still chanting and scared of
Hindu hegemony, Hindu hegemony.
And after another 60 years, you will be doing the same. There is no dobut.

#62 Posted by HisExcellency

You are just taking the discussion to a different area. Let us stick with the Pakistan army and why should it be stripped of power and who would skin that fox.

“Why couldn't Mujib show some statesmanship and compromise on a few of his impossible demands after West Pakistani politicians agreed to most of them anyway???”

Who said that he was not willing to compromise? He was talking with the army when the army was planning an action in East Pakistan and that included the arrest of all awami league leadership including Mujib.

You need to read the history again. Those elections were for the constitution making assembly and he had the right to push his political agenda forward. Did the Pakistan army allow him to come to the assembly and present his demands as the basis for the new constitution? He represented the majority and despite the fact that his 6 points would have led to separation in a few years down the line, he still had to get them through the assembly and the political process itself would have taken the edges and the controversial issues out of his proposals.

East Pakistanis were not against Pakistan and they would have forced Mujib to bargain with political parties in Pakistan. But, we had an army which was trying to secure its position in the Pakistani politics. In fact, the army was trying to ensure that army gets to keep the control of the country.

I think from that point on it was conclusively clear that Pakistan army was and still is working against Pakistan.

re: #58

Why doesn't Hindu Nepal face the same jihad that India does?
Hint: Nepali sena didn't colonize other people like the Bharati sena colonized Kashmiris and Naxalites.

Re: # 67

Array bhai, Nepal does not border Pakistan or
Bangladesh. If India gets vanquished tomorrow,
I have no doubt Nepal would not survive.
Ek taraf Chinese aur doosaray taraf Pakistani musalmans, baap re baap, unko koi bhagwan bacha
nahi sakata.

Re: # 64

So Afghanistan needs to have nukes so Pakistan will
stay clear off of it, perhaps cough up the occupied
Afganistan (NWFP)?

"I fail to see the logic here. Hindu hegemony is a perception as there is no Hindu hegemony now in Pakistan or in South Asia. So it is a non issue to begin with. Under what circumstances would it become an issue for common man in Pakistan?
You are a victim of the propaganda that creates a strawman and then claims that the Pak army stands to prevent it (Hindu hegemony) from becoming an issue."

The logic is this

- there is no hindu hegemony at present in Pakistan

- there is the Kashmir issue, which proves India desire for Hindu hegemony.

- Since the desire for Hindu hegemony exists, so does the potential.

- the Pak Fouj is the Bulwark against that potential Hindu hegemony; never mind that India can barely hegemoniz half its own states.

- Hence, Pakistani civillians must give up a larger proportion of national resources so that Pak Fouj can continue to go against the potential of Hindu hegemony.

As a son of an India Fauji, I have nothing but sheer contempt for the Pakistani Fauji Officer class. They are parasite who want Pakistan to exist for their benefit rather than the other way round. I am specifically talking about the Pakistan Army; I am not sure of the Air Force and Navy in Pakistan are similar or not. I am also not talking about enlisted personnel. The Indian Army and Pak Army are the same when it comes to measuring salaries and benefits for Soldiers but very different for Officers. It is surprising that Pakistani, who compare to India in eveything else, have not done a salary / bonus / perks comparison of Indian and Pakistani generals.

Your other mistake is that u are confusing HP as a victim of Fauji propaganda whereas he is actually a beneficiary.

Besides, how is "Hindu hegemony" countered by the likes of Riaz Jafri getting Murabbas of land which is stolen from the people of Pakistan?

Your Excellency:

First get to KNOW your enemy and then hold forth for all you want to:

1. Naxalites have not been Colonized (duh, what does that mean anyway?). The naxalites are fighting the Indian State.

2. You should like the Hindutva guys. Vajpayee was the first to address the dictator as "Mr. President".

3. BJP went about 'making peace' with Pakistan because they thought (rightly or wrongly) that it would 'buy' them the Muslim vote (apart from other reasons). Turns out that it did not work.

4. Pakistanis need not fear Hindu hegemony. A lot of us Indians fear it and so we shall take care of it. Your good wishes are welcome but we do not want help from your kind, thank you.

5. Pakistanis should fear the Indian state. Indians should fear the Pakistani state. And both Pakistanis and Indians should fear their respective states.

6. We Indians will someday be able to (largely) protect ourselves from our state. I wish you Pakistanis can do the same. We have something called the army JUST to protect ourselves from the Pakistani (and other foreign) states. We have been able to do so in the past to reasonabe satisfaction. I can't say the same for Pakistanis. I hope you guys can do much better in the future. But for that you need the army to specialize in what it is meant to do, not run 'Family Planning' units.

These loosers had no clue about what to do
with the state. All these bigots wanted was
to get rid of Hindus and Sikhs. That they
did very effectively. And then they started
groping in the dark, they are still doing
and will continue to do for quite some time.

shishapa: do you have a fever as well?

If cutting off his nose to spite his face is a smart thing to do then Mushy is an Einstein. He should be impeached and frog-marched and sent to the tribal areas where he gets what's coming to him.

Re: # 74

Tahmadji,

Ab nahi, utar gaya, subah thoda sa that.
Ab bilkul theek ho gaya.
Thanks for asking. No more silly posts
from me, no more trashing fp from me,
promise.

Re: # 5

HP

Well done dear HP! Mush being a typical Matarua is using his wardi to camouflage his matarua mentality - all conceit, selfishness ,treachery, ruthlessness. The sooner the nation is aware of his real self the better. We took him as an Atta Turk but he came out to be a Matarua Commando. He can play with the politicians because he holds the gun but the world knows him and sooner or later he would meet his nemesis.

The sad part of all this is that the nation is at a loss to find any alternative to replace him. The nomination of Wajiuddin might prove to be a hopeful sign.

Talking about Naxalite, i feel India should start by allowing them to govern their part with full freedom and let people decide on the outcome. A full independence for a state is not practical in short period, say 10 years. Once India did support LTTE (right or wrong), so its only fair they practice what they preach.

#77 teshah

If you think it's the "Matarua" in Musharraf which is responsible for the ailments of Pakistan, then I am afraid you have to think again before putting your hope in another "matarua" viz. Justice Wajihuddin.

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