A Sad Day for Pakistan

I think it is very important to consider A’null’s sudden discovery of Masadi’s beautiful mind in its full color… if for nothing else then to show how the dominant discourse in India paralyses any fair-minded thinking (as it might do so in Pakistan as well- but what exactly is Pakistan’s dominant discourse is still not certain) let alone free minded one.

Since Masadi to date has only resorted to abuse and has not given a single worthwhile argument except declare again and again that “church of MAJ has been routed� and “US elites are about to kneel� in front of Masadi’s greatness… there are to my mind only two possibilities for such praise from none other than A’null- the self styled linguist, physicist, scientist, sociologist and historian all rolled in one:

1. A’null’s new found love for Masadi is entirely colored by partisan considerations and is not based on merit. In this case, his claim that Masadi is free of dominant Pakistani discourse, whatever that may be, makes Masadi a better mind than the rest who supposedly are in the dominant Pakistani discourse’s clutches should be simply read as “Masadi is better because he is closer to my thinking… where as all these other Pakistani freaks don’t agree with the dominant Indian discourse and therefore are worthy of contempt�. In other words A’null’s statement merely constitutes the irreducible minimum chutiyapa that is the pre-requisite of being an Indian.

2. Or one could give A’null a benefit of a doubt (a risky proposition) and assume that A’null meant that free thinking means a break with any dominant discourse. In that case ofcourse, one must point out that A’null is perhaps more representative of the dominant Indian discourse i.e. barely Hindu fascism and irrational hatred for Pakistanis with the thin veneer of Indian “Secularism� (another oxymoron- but then moron is a word much in demand for any descriptive analysis for the species that A’null belongs to… so using A’null’s own logic, one can safely conclude that A’null is a third rate mind- a conclusion that is corroborated by his inane argumentation rife on this website. In this case the opinion of a third rate mind like A’null does not matter.

Whether it is 1 or 2, one can safely conclude that the lavish praise A’null has heaped on Masadi which has raised quite a stink is not meritorious for it is either borne out of A’null’s partisanship or quite simply the low quality of his mind.


These are my two cents on A’null and his sudden discovery of Masadi’s beautiful mind.

AA of Dawn says "Ek dhakka aur". This, according to him will lead to either jubilation or depression.

NONSENSE! Absolute Nonsense! Why should Pakistanis get depressed? They are fighting, and if the dictator does not leave more will join in. What is there to be sad about? It is not like if the dictator leaves all of a sudden there will be milk and honey flowing around. This fight, which has started, will and should continue. Dictator or no dictator.

Abhi to yeh angrai hein,
Aagey aur ladai hein.

Masadi is definitely intense! and like arjun, Aleph says has a model so to speak that remains consistent if you follow its internal logic. (Masadi: sorry if it sounds patronizing)

#136 Posted by hamidm2 on October 1, 2007 10:56:34 am


the man is a bigger embarassment for the nation than captain clueless ........


Say what you will about masadi but he's been consistent in his worldview. There's at least a thread of logic that can be traced through his posts.

capt clueless, OTOH...well...tshirt with paki flag...need I say more?

It hard for me to agree with anull on anything but here he is right on the money. Massadi writes with a passion and I don't agree with him on many issues. However, I personally admire his devotion to what he thinks is right. His refusal to look at the big picture is his undoing but a person of his education and grasp of the issues will eventually figure this out. In the meantine, people who don't agree with him can just leave him alone.
I would suggest to him to pay more attention to educating people rather than picking up small issues to bicker and waste his time, talent and knowledge.
I hope he listens.

Masadi sahib has *several* prominent blind spots and does his cause no favours through his gratuitous rudeness. He might want to control his temper. But in my opinion he has a better mind than most of his Pakistani critics as well as some of those Pakistanis who would like him on their side. He seems freer from the Pakistani dominant discourse than any other Muslim Pakistani on this site. He also seems well able to resist the all-too-human tendency to modify ones opinions simply to curry favour with potential allies (I hope I am not wrong in this judgment). He is a breath of fresh air on Chowk. In no way do I wish to patronise him – all the same, he has my salaams.

Re: # 134

arjun,

..... i can understand why you hold all pakis in such low esteem ..... but let me assure you that masadi is not representative of the entire paki nation just as you (hopefully)do not represent all the horrible hindoos .........

...... i apologize for masadi's sorry existence and i wish i could box his ears and send him to bed without pudding ........ the man is a bigger embarassment for the nation than captain clueless ........

re: masadi

Masadi writes: "This is not the world I choose to live in and I'll be goddamned if I end my life because of the doings of the US elite"

So that is it, isn't it?

You simply cannot deal with the reality and have gone stark raving mad, haven't you?

None of us likes the way the world is, but we all deal with the reality, but you have created your own reality and in your self-created reality, you are the lone defender of the suffering humanity and sole beholder of the truth, aren't you?

The US elites won't have to end your life, Masadi; you will end it yourself in one of your fits of righteous indignations. I should have known that the saying was right...if you give someone a long enough piece of rope, they will eventually hang themselves.

You must be really a miserable person living in this world, aren't you?

Ciao

#130 Posted by MantoLives on October 1, 2007 10:22:33 am

I blame columbus. If he hadn't discovered America, there would be no US and no US elites..

masadi: You cant claim to care for humanity the way you do in #129, and then turn around and do your best to berate and belittle people you are interacting with (as you routinely do on chowk, not just with evil people like me, but even with gentlemen like Ferozk who are almost invariably respectful and keep their focus on issues. At least you can do this without making it a challenge for anyone to consider your claims to be valid.

Ferozk,

You are too kind hearted a human being because you give the person too much credit. One does not become an academic by reading one's own books... which is all that Masadi seems to have read.

re: Mantolives # 130

I think that Masadi's problem is that he is an academican and somewhere he got lost in the academia and lost all contact with reality. He lives in a world of his own creation and seems to fight with the demons of his own creation.

Last night, I was researching the records of the Spanish Inquistion in the period 1790 to 1815. When the French invaded Spain in the 1800s, they ended the Spanish Inquistion and imprisoned the priest and freed the prisoners. The French records showed that two prisoners considered themselves to be Napoleon and had gone mad from the torture.

As the records noted, one prisoner who considered himself to be Napoleon was an Arab and the other one was over seven feet tall!

Masadi has gone nuts simply because of his obession with his chosen tormentors - the US elites!

Ciao

Yaar Feroz,

Think Monty Python... think Black Knight in the Holy Grail. Masadi is incapable of having reasonable and decent discourse. All he does is repeat his abusive mantra and declares victory.

We all share the blame ofcourse for the travesty that Masadi is... lets take the blame... even Jinnah is to blame. Had Pakistan not been created, poor Masadi would not be anything more than a sweeper ... but Pakistan has given him the chance to pose as an academic.

hamid writes " let it out - tell us what ails you .... "

What ails me is the condition of the people amidst plenty, what ails me is why they are living and dying like animals because of a social structure that prevents them from becomming human due to deprivation. This is not the world I choose to live in and I'll be goddamned if I end my life because of the doings of the US elite

Feroz writes "re: masadi

I answered your questions, but you have not answered mine.
"

Who are you trying to fool punk, given your comprehension ability though, I will give you the benefit of the doubt that you were unable to understand simple prose....You can't fool the people, the lackeys of the colonials and the peons of the West are intellecutally dishonest and you are their poster child on Chowk....

Jayp,

You still haven't told me why the Indian government honors the Gandhi-inspired Moplahs of South India who perfected the art of burning hindus like youself as freedom fighters?

The people who bombed the statue and failed to destroy it are none other than your old buddies...

Let me remind you of a history lesson you keep forgetting...

Achyuth Patwardhan, one of the Socialist stalwarts in the Congress, has given a remarkably candid and self critical analysis of the Congress Party vis-a-vis Khilafat: ’It is, however, useful to recognise our share of this error of misdirection. To begin with, I am convinced that looking back upon the course of development of the freedom movement, THE ’HIMALAYAN ERROR’ of Gandhiji’s leadership was the support he extended on behalf of the Congress and the Indian people to the Khilafat Movement at the end of the World War I. This has proved to be a disastrous error which has brought in its wake a series of harmful consequences. On merits, it was a thoroughly reactionary step. The Khilafat was totally unworthy of support of the Progressive Muslims. Kemel Pasha established this solid fact by abolition of the Khilafat. The abolition of the Khilafat was widely welcomed by enlightened Muslim opinion the world over and Kemel was an undoubted hero of all young Muslims straining against Imperialist domination. But apart from the fact that Khilafat was an unworthy reactionary cause, Mahatma Gandhi had to align himself with a sectarian revivalist Muslim Leadership of clerics and maulvis. He was thus unwittingly responsible for jettisoning sane, secular, modernist leadership among the Muslims of India and foisting upon the Indian Muslims a theocratic orthodoxy of the Maulvis. Maulana Mohammed Ali’s speeches read today appear strangely incoherent and out of tune with the spirit of secular political freedom. The Congress Movement which released the forces of religious liberalism and reform among the Hindus, and evoked a rational scientific outlook, placed the Muslims of India under the spell of orthodoxy and religious superstition by their support to the Khilafat leadership. Rationalist leaders like Jinnah were rebuffed by this attitude of Congress and Gandhi. This is the background of the psychological rift between Congress and the Muslim League’.

and

’Since the Khilafat agitation, things have changed and it has been one of the many injuries inflicted on India by the encouragement of the Khilafat crusade, that the inner Muslim feeling of hatred against ’unbelievers’ has sprung up, naked and unashamed, as in years gone by’.

and

A terrible and gruesome fallout of the disastrous Khilafat experiment of Mahatma Gandhi was the Moplah Rebellion in Malabar District in 1921. According to the Report of the ENQUIRY COMMITTEE OF SERVANTS OF INDIA SOCIETY, the number of Hindus murdered by Moplah Muslims was 1500, the number of Hindus forcibly converted 20,000 and the value of property looted about Rs three crore. When the national and local leaders appealed to the virulently anti-Hindu Moplah Muslims in the name of Mahatma Gandhi to follow the ways of peace and non-violence, they replied bluntly with Islamic fervour: ’GANDHI IS A KAFIR, HOW CAN HE BE OUR LEADER?’ Dr Anne Besant declared: ’The Moplah Muslim marauders murdered and plundered abundantly, killed or drove away all Hindus who would not apostatize. Somewhere about 100,000 people were driven from their homes with nothing but the clothes they had on, stripped of everything’. She also accused all the Khilafat religious preachers for all this terrible atrocities. J Campbell, chief of the Intelligence Department, Government of India, held the Khilafat leaders squarely responsible for inciting racial hatred resulting in Moplah carnage.

http://www.newstodaynet.com/2006sud/06aug/2208ss1.htm

Mahatma Gandhi’s attempt to harness the feeling for the cause of national independence backfired and led to the uprising in Kerala known as the Moplah Rebellion. It took the British several months to put it down at the cost of thousands of lives.



Moplahs were very much part of the grand Khilafat Movement that Gandhi was spearheading and Gandhi kept apologising for them


The Dravidian Moplahs had directed their revolt with class venom against some Aryan high-caste Hindus with property as well as Britishers: Brahmanical elements tried to use that to spark a crisis in Hindu-Muslim relations all over India. Gandhi tried to hold a balance: like the U.S. press and the Negro nationalists who read it he stressed that the Moplah uprising could be made part of a united drive for independence by Indians of all sects.But he was also aware of the pan-Islamic dimension: in a December 1921 call to the British to suspend their attacks against the Moplahs, he was to observe that the Moplahs saw themselves as fighting for a religion with methods they considered religious: Yogesh Chadha, Rediscovering Gandhi (London: Century 1997) p. 254.


And lets not forget the Tehreek-e-Hijrat Fatwa that Gandhi’s right hand man Azad gave to Muslims which gave Muslims two options "JEHAD" or "HIJRAT".

The Muslim Ulema, thinkers and activists called for the boycott of foreign goods and non-cooperation with the British government. Meetings were organised in order to rally the masses to support these issues. The meetings were organised under the banner of Mo’tamar al-Ansar (The Workers Conference) and various newspapers such as Al-Hilal of Maualana Abul Kalam Azad and The Comrade of Maulana Mohammad Ali Jauhar. Both Maulana Abdul Kalam Azad and Maulana Maulana Mohammad Ali Jauhar were put behind bars for publishing anti-British articles in their newspapers. The latter spent four years in prison between 1911 and 1915CE.


The allegiance of the Muslim intelligentsia of India at that to the Khilafah is unquestionable. Maulana Abdul Kalam Azad summed up their view when he wrote in his newspaper al-Hilal on 6th November 1912 that the Ottoman Sultans possessed the only sword which Muslims had for their protection. Insofar as the “caliphate was essentially a religious integration of the shari’a�, it became “necessary by revelation, is of God’s institution and that obedience to its authority is farz, or positively commanded�.


The Khilafat Movement


In September 1919, Maulana Muhammad Ali and his brother Shaukat Ali, together with Maulana Abdul Kalam Azad, Dr. Mukhtar Ahmed Ansari, and Hasrat Mohani, started a new organization, the Khilafat Movement (1919-1924). Their avowed aim was to use whatever leverage they had to protect the Khilafah. They organized Khilafat Conferences in several northern Indian cities. It is noticeable that the scholars and activists that were part of the Khilafat movement came from different schools of thought and backgrounds, for example Maulana Abul Kalam Azad was known to be a ‘ghayr taqleedi’ (non-taqleedi – who believed Taqleed to Mazahib is prohibited) and Maulana Mahmood Hasan was Deobandi who are followers of the Hanafi Mazhab yet they were united in the objective of working for the maintenance of the Khilafah.


In 1919, the Bombay Khilafat Committee agreed on two important organisational goals: “first, to urge the retention of the temporal powers of the Sultan of Turkey as Caliph, and second to ensure his continued suzerainty over the Islamic holy places.�

Delivering the presidential address at the Calcutta meeting of the Bengal Provincial Khilafat Conference in 1920, Maulana Azad discussed the importance of Khilafah he declared, “the purpose of this institution was to organise and lead the Muslim community in the right path, to establish justice, to bring about peace, and to spread God’s word in the world. For all this it was absolutely necessary for the caliph to possess temporal power�. Maulana Azad had no doubt that “without an Imam, their lives were un-Islamic and that they would be damned after death�.


Maulana Azad published a book in 1920 called Masla-e-Khilafat (The Issue of Khilafah), he stated: “Without the Khilafah the existence of Islam is not possible, the Muslims of India with all their effort and power need to work for this�.

In the same book page 176 Maulana Azad said, “There are two types of ahkam shariah, the first is related to the individual like the commands and prohibitions, the fara’id (obligations) and wajibat in order to perfect oneself. The second is not related to the individual but is related to the Ummah, nation, collective obligations and state politics like the conquering of lands, political and economic laws�.

According to Peter Hardy, Maulana Azad believed that, “The Muslim who would separate religion and politics for Muslims is an apostate who works silently�.


The loss of political power in India and the threat posed by a combination of forces to the temporal authority of the caliph, was so worrisome for the leaders of the Muslim community that some of them felt compelled to issue fatwas ‘in favour of migration (hijra)’ from India.


Maulana Abul Kalam Azad issued a fatwa which was published in the daily Ahl-e-Hadith of Amritsar on 30 July 1920. In his fatwa he urged Hijrat from India as an alternative to non-cooperation with the British. (YLH’s note: Was the Hijaz Born Azad a "Wahabi"... note "Ahle-Hadith)

Maulana Abdul Bari’s fatwa said, “every Muslim residing here should adopt non-cooperation but if (that is) impossible, should proceed for hijrat�. Maulana Shaukat Ali issued a statement on behalf of the Central Khilafat Committee, “expressing the hope that all dedicated Muslims would stay in India and work for the non-cooperation. Only if it did not succeed would they consider resorting to hijrat�. The impact of the fatwa was electrifying and thousands of Muslims preferred to leave the Dar al harb of India where their religious rights symbolized in the position of the Turkish Caliph was being infringed.


And most amazing was the fact that Gandhi’s encouragement led to Deobandi ulema creating the Jamiat ulema Hind ... which in its numerous forms and heads plagues South Asia even today... and all these groups are spin offs of the same.