A Sad Day for Pakistan

Pureland's economy is 1/10th the size of india...do the math..

http://ia.rediff.com/news/2007/oct/01arms.htm

India, Pakistan leading buyers of weapons: US report

On the buyers' side, Pakistan concluded $5.1 billion in agreements to buy arms last year, followed by India and Saudi Arabia with $3.5 billion and $3.2 billion in agreements respectively.

CRAZIEST day for pakistan
It was only last week, 2000 year old budha statue was bombed by the pakistani. Then the govt said that they have no resources to protect the antiques. The zeenaxes celebrated telling that idols are to destroyed per islam. Very true, now an american has been arrested for trying to save an antique. Now the govt of pakistan will sieze the idol from the american and destroy it per the TNT requirements.

from jang of today

US national held for smuggling antiques

By Shakeel Anjum

Islamabad: The customs officials have arrested an American while trying to smuggle the statues of Buddha to Boston, a State of USA, official sources in the customs department told 'The News' Sunday.

The sources said that Collector Customs Rawalpindi, Muhammad Arshad Khan, was informed that an American would try to take away ancient antiques to America. Strict vigilance was put into place and Additional Collector (Airport), Arslan Subqutageen, constituted a special team comprising Syed Imam Bokhari, Deputy Collector and Saud Bin Aman, Inspector to keep an eye on the activities of the suspicious passengers.

The team, meanwhile, intercepted an American citizen, Michael Dadir Sinclair, and recovered the antiques from him at the export section of Islamabad Airport, the sources said adding the was an employee of USAID in Pakistan.

The Department of Archaeology has confirmed that the seized articles were genuine antiques and valuing million of rupees. Legal proceedings under Customs and Antiquity Act have been initiated, the sources added.

Pakistan economic miracle or cooking the books.

Pakistan had a bumper wheat crop and exported a lot, now it appears that agricultural output books were cooked.

Every anecdotal evidence indicates increasing poverty, decreasing literacy, but teh economy is booming according to the numbers dished out.

Then of course there is constant blaming of poverty for the jihadis and why the madrassas are thriving, but when it comes to numbers, the economy is booming.

From dawn of today.


The Economist (UK) has recently published ‘World Investment Prospects to 2011’, a copy of which I received at ‘The Emerging Markets Summit’ organised by the Economist Intelligence Unit in London on Sept 24 and 25.

Under emerging markets of Asia it lists China, Hong Kong, India, Malaysia, Singapore, South Korea, Taiwan, Thailand and Vietnam. Pakistan is not included. The main reason is unreliable and manipulated statistics in Pakistan.

This is a very important publication and many top international financial institutions will not now even think of Pakistan in their investment strategy. Exporting and re-importing wheat will cost a few million dollars, but Pakistan having earned the name of statistical manipulators will pay a much bigger price now.

Romair,

(pakistani banks are bankers (in general) are at the internaitonal level....)

Mr. Shaukat Aziz for eg.

(if big G gets going, and if india agrees to use pakistan as a throughway for oil and gas, pakistan should benefit greatly.......)

Pakistan will certainly get a lot of revenue from it if it happnes whether it will use it productively is another matter.

(pakistan still has a ways to go to get to the stage where economic growth and institution-based govt. can work hand in hand........india is only now reaching that stage........
it took it 50 years........)

It does not require nations 50 years to put in place institutions which promote sustainable economic growth. The problem in India was that the Nehruvian Stalinist idiots who ran India's economy for almost 50 years deliberately created institutions whose whole purpose was to retard and not promote growth. Else India would have been completely out of Pakistan's reach by now given the fact that India already had a headstart over Pakistan's relatively backward provinces at 1947.

Fortunately Pakistan does not have as much of a socialist baggage (ZA Bhoot got hung in time mercifully) and given Islam's resistance to communism (for its atheist leanings) commie type thinking shud not make a comeback anytime soon.

Regards

aslam644: "...There has been a real turn around in economic scenario in Pakistan ...... IT industry is at a take off stage. Construction industry is booming,.....infrastructure and education."

....after reading this, one would get the feeling that pakistan is the next mexico (which ranks 80 slots higher than pakistan on the un's human development index).....

pakistan's private sector has certainly seen growth.....your comments are accurate, other than about the IT sector.......which is not even near the take-off stage in pakistan.......nor do i see it getting there any time soon.......

......there are three areas in pakistan, which have boomed....first and foremost, banking......pakistani banks are bankers (in general) are at the internaitonal level....i meet with quite a few of them regularly.......pakistani banks are hot property and foreign banks are lining up to buy them......pakistan is also the primary international retail market for islamic banking, which is set to boom.....

......telecom has boomed beyond anyone's predictions.......it is one of the fastest growing telecom markets in the world........however, i am not sure if pakistan benefits from this.......as it is primary a retail market.......there is no value add, locally.......nokia ships its phones to pakistan, where they are sold, and nokia takes the money back.....warid etc. do the same.....

......real estate is the third sector......where most of the pakistanis keep their money........the skyline of pakistan is set to change, through the very large construction projects being set up by middle eastern companies......

......however, one has to wait and see how sustainable all this will be.......economic growth requires a stable political set up, which doesn't go through drastic changes, regularly........

in my opinion, it is pakistan's location which is its biggest asset......if big G gets going, and if india agrees to use pakistan as a throughway for oil and gas, pakistan should benefit greatly.......

however, as in all military regimes, the economy is growing, while the institutions are totally decaying.......i think the benefits of the first outweighed the losses of the second, for the first 3 years of musharraf's rule........now it is the other way around.......

......i have a feeling this economic growth is going to take a downturn, once the civilian-military tussle grows.....pakistan still has a ways to go to get to the stage where economic growth and institution-based govt. can work hand in hand........india is only now reaching that stage........it took it 50 years........pakistan is only now begining this journey.........

re: masadi

I answered your questions, but you have not answered mine.

Ciao

Aslam #113 If Pakistan can do so well despite the political turmoil caused by Musharraf's mischief, then there is no doubt that as and when democracy is restored the future is indeed bright for Pakistan.

Re: # 113
If proper facilities are given, it look economy is getting critical thrusts and appears about rise like rocket. Stock market and real estate is aging strating firing engines. Stock market and real estate ( giant schemes of residential islands) will be acting as locomotive and big G will adding power of additional locomotive power. In all rises inflation is little problem when great expansion takes place. It is always better to have problems of higher growth than "hindu" growth rate of no(low) inflation and no growth. Big G is key thing and Gas from Iran coming is great economic explosion and indians can watch or just pay just fee and join train of prospority as when train of iran/ Pakistan speeds up they will be no come in stops for India. Hope for poor people they join prosperity express train.

#115 Posted by borivili_express on September 30, 2007 3:59:04 pm

hello mo's camel express...

india needs to do what about kashmir? It already has the part it cares about...the part that has the rivers..

Editorial: Pakistan army and the nation

The politics in Islamabad today is posited by the opposition as a battle for civilian rule and the confinement of the Pakistan army to its constitutional role. The lawyers’ community and the opposition political parties may have different agendas up their sleeves, but at the declaratory level it is the civilian-military relationship that everyone is supposed to be trying to correct. Even the ruling party, by keeping a general as president, promises a more reliable reversion to more democracy. The consensus is apparently shared by President General Pervez Musharraf himself. But the antagonists fall apart on whether the post-Musharraf period should be “transformational� or “transitional�.

A Pakistani scholar has tried to “define� the character of the Pakistan army in his forthcoming book. A journalist and an ex-IMF officer, Shuja Nawaz, in his Crossed Swords: Pakistan Army and the Wars Within (not yet published), compares it to the army of Indonesia under Sukarno and Suharto instead of the Turkish army as is often done by those who wish to posit a polarity between the army and the people. He explains that “the army has gradually expanded its remit to include protection of the national ideology, as defined by the army itself. He said this ideology has changed from a loose definition of a Muslim state at birth to an Islamic polity under Zia-ul-Haq, and now to the ‘enlightened moderation’ of General Pervez Musharraf, even as the growing urban population appears to prefer the conservative end of the social and political spectrum�.

The Pakistan army was a professional outfit in the beginning. It accepted the challenge of an anti-India nationalism after the 1947 war in Kashmir and was supported by the country’s civilian leaders. Early Pakistani nationalism was based on the warlike self-image of the subcontinental Muslim, thinking nothing of the strategic mismatch with a much larger and “unconquerable� India as “the other�. This army embraced a tactical worldview during these early years, which in time became a part of its persona. It overthrew civilian governments in a politically conflictual early phase to carry out the anti-India mission it had been bequeathed by civilian leaders but suffered defeats at the hands of India.

After the Pakistani mind began to regard the army as a defeated/discredited entity usurping political space, the army clutched at the “ideology of Pakistan�, a much safer route to its fundamental mission of fighting a “just war� with India. It did so after the last testament of Pakistan’s anti-India nationalism was framed by Prime Minister Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto in his book The Myth of Independence (1969). He reaffirmed confrontation with India as the “grundnorm� of Pakistan’s foreign policy: “1) That the US is in a position to compel both India and Pakistan simultaneously to an arrangement compatible with its own global interests; 2) that the US thinks that its detente with the USSR, coupled with China’s continued weakness, will strengthen its power over Asia; 3) that the US and the USSR are acting in concert to force a settlement between India and Pakistan, which will effectively force Pakistan to accept Indian hegemony in the region; 4) that the US seeks peace between India and Pakistan to use them against China�.

Author Shuja Nawaz says: “It is important for the army to help create a stable national polity by subjecting itself in practice to civilian oversight and control ... [and] on its side, the civilian government needs to ensure that it follows the Constitution fully and does not involve the military in political disputes.� He warns that while the army remains a conservative institution at heart, it is not yet a breeding ground for large numbers of radical Islamists that many fear.

An unspoken consensus in Pakistan against the state’s anti-India-driven mission statement is in place today; only the politician has to begin to articulate it, not only for the economic survival of the people but also for the final “correction� of the “middle class� Pakistan Army. Pakistan’s “revisionist� nationalism has been at the root of conflict in the region and domestic supremacy of the Pakistan army. But once it has been recast in light of the new economic imperatives, redefining Pakistan’s geopolitical location, not as an obstruction to trade routes, but as a trade corridor joining two important land masses in Asia, the Pakistan army will stop representing the uncomfortable strategic “over-stretch� of the state to become a benign institution, insulated against all political upheavals inside the state because these upheavals will no longer jeopardise its mission. *

Editorial: Pakistan army and the nation

2, 10, 20, 1000 u hindus still havent been able to do didly squat about kashmir. india with billions is unable to do anything about pakistan which is not even exporting 2 million dollars

are u hindus eunuchs? all u can do is cry on chowk

#113 Posted by aslam644 on September 30, 2007 1:36:02 pm


IT industry is at a take off stage.


That's what you said in 1999..then in 2000..then in 2001..

I remember back in 1999, the pakis told us they were building an indus technology park in 1999 which would export a billion $ of software in 3-4 years...8 years since you're still at sub-100 million $, that too in call centers..

you should open any outsourcing/contracting trade publication..they're full of news articles about indian companies winning major contracts..there are even a bunch of east european companies winning the small size(5-10 million) contracts...I've never ever read about a paki company winning even a 2 million $ contract...

Masadi doesn’t have a clue about economics, why doesn’t he stick to US elite.
There has been a real turn around in economic scenario in Pakistan it’s not just textiles, cement industry is growing they are even exporting it to India, steel plants are coming up, motorcycle manufacturing is growing by leaps and bounds, IT industry is at a take off stage. Construction industry is booming, there has been a tremendous investment in infrastructure and education.

Pakistan is entering a golden era simply because of its location, situated near the gulf with their surplus cash, the Chinese manufacturing expertise can turn it to a real industrial hub. First there are some major obstacles to be overcome, political stability, power shortages, skilled labour.

Re: # 110

masadi,

.... did i ever tell you that you are a fool ? ..... no, you are not - you are an idiot, a flaming imbecile !

..... now that i have got that out of my system, i am amazed at your single minded obsession with the american elite and can only wonder what caused this psychopathic condition ..... is it possible that it was caused by your failure to cut the mustard in the land of the free and home of the brave and had to return home with a mail order diploma from american pacific ? ...... or is simply because you failed to get laid in your two decades that you wasted on the campuses of prairie view a&m and tuskegee college ? ......... let it out - tell us what ails you ....

The miserable FerozK wrote "While you are foaming at the mouth, please do not refrain from repeating your socialist-religious mantra about the US elites and the glories of socialism and the joys of poverty. "

I'm not foaming at the mouth ever, all I am doing is busting your dimwitted points and I have busted all of them regarding the SC decision, not one has been contested or answered, and then being at peace that I have successfully exposed, for the benefit of the people, their enemies and the friends of the colonials. Regarding the "joys of poverty" don't be so dumb, I never talked about any "joys" of poverty, I have been condemning those that have reduced humanity to animal like existance because of poverty, the elite that you worship. Every time you peons of the West like tahmed and yourself come out thumping your chests in jubilation and victory, your nonsense is dismantled and you whimper away- this is a cause of great joy for me, and nothing to "foam at the mouth" over.

Now you will try all kinds of dishonesty to try to save your dead point which was revealed clearly below. Note that when an amendment is termed illegal it is no amendment to the constitution, it does not stand, and the SC has every right in its function to determine if an amendment was made legally or not, and the 17th was an illegal amendment so regardless of the "procedure" of the legislature, an independant SC should have declared it illegal and therefore non binding....but we know it would never do that because it is "under the gun" of military dictatorship and subservient to it.