A Sad Day for Pakistan

Okhla,

Since u called me names I can return the compliment, u scumbag.

Why u forgot to paste the post of Manto that provoked my reply? How many hateful posts of Manto wud u need here? I can produce dozens of pure hate, u slecetive sumbag.

Getting personal is so easy and I too can get personal here to make it even. So debate the issues, kameena Okhla.

P.S: If u dim-brain missed it, 32 was calling Masadi an idiot when masadi was not calling 32 the same. That's my point.

Mr.Masadi is great contributer for intelluctual discussion and putting some different view of looking at events and policies. This evaluation of many historic figures. He does not indulge in "little" details but goes against current as he wants to understand the basic source and he does not care about pigmies shouting at him from banks who are throwing abuses, redicule and lies to damage him or this interpretations. Masadi has correctly evaluated the subtle current under actions of desi elites. Like today BB is able to get deal it financial deal at cost ppp followers. She is typical elite along with her friend general who take pride in being tamed dog of usa and western elites.He is not wrong even visually handicapped person like can see it is bush administartion decides who will rule pakistan in way they want, they pick up helping hands to subdue people by bombing by secreat pilotless airmachines and then general claims his airforce bombed. It is lie and lie is truth now as in novel 1984. As Masadi said many times before american decide and these dogs just compete amoung each other who is more loyal, these dogs are more loyals than Royals. Now masadisahib some times use crude language and I am not comfortable with that language and even suggested ore moderation. You can see Ms. Saima Shah wrote article "60 years of American doghood" then it is Koshar. Nobody objects to her language as her english is urban and polished full same stuff but not provoking sensetivity of our nation readers. Mr.Masadi is molded in differet form not of proper manner may be little wild junglee. He calls spade for spade.He is narrow and straight forward, in that case yes he is not practical, but practical people can not tell truth as it is as somebody get hurts. Like he wrote Pakistan experience of 60 years as whoring of sixty years for american cow boys , or he understood partition in different way. He is direct and states pakistani state was formed basically to save landed feudal system in west pakistan at cost of death of few million innocent people.The landed feudal land , agricultural and industrial houses were encouraged to squeeze people to please usa and local elites.All leaders from start to begin were following same interest, to protect landed gentry and industry and supress middle class and poor who will not even utter a word and midlle class brown elits were dream of britishers muslim outside western elite inside. Western elits along with desi were so brutalised and brainwashed - when usa spyairmachines were flying no body was allowed. ZAB was told he can come for tea but he can not have access to base, when slaughter in Bengal started no body said anything.By that time slavery got in our dna we got two more overlords china and arabia. May be Masdi is Jungli but we needed man like masadi to tell as it is to publis. If there were 100 masadi, jungali masadis shouting crudely things may have changed. Masadi is frustrated and he gets angry when he see pakistani nation used as whore by american and western elites. He gets angry when there white and arabi masters have brought havoc on nation. Today following master to fight their wars army is killing people to please western elites.And then awam is resiting with bare army and killing armymen. Just like bengal slaughter slaughter in tribal areas are started and not single elite feeling thing bad.80,000 regular army units along with same number of paramilitary is on war with tribals. They are not antipakistan but you start killing sons, daughters, mothers and fathers why they should not resist ? Same thing bengalis were radical pakistanis but when army began to rape women, professors and studebnts what they are supposed to do pray ? Islam is not like passive Buddha religion.Ideas of socialasm, equality, trade union, farmers struggles, haris were brutally suppressed. Even socialisn of PPP was just populist schemes and nothing and always tangential to land reforms or breaking of mental retardness. When it became hard to hide insincere attitude in politics ( as mr. Masadi has clearly shown , slogans for euality or elalterism we all just traps to hide real game the concentrated economics to that extent all means were used to hide ugly cancerous growth). Whenever even intantile lefist tendencies were suspected then were crushed and killed. The slavery was ingrained in people. It started wrong way in first cabinet not one cabinet member had seen prison in english rule as they were elites of british , some were in suits , some in rural dress one common no "anti elites". Now if we had few masadis shouting abuses it would have done much good than 60 years of Doghood.
Masadi is intelluctual many times than most but he is not lost in "elite" decencies. I WAS FIRST TO RECOGNIZE MASADI and seconded thought. I am proud of that, he is social reformer, kind of like mr . gandhi like naked fakir( churchill's words) and it hurt his sensitvities when Mr. G went naked to see emperor of Hindustan, same way masadi is naked fakir hurting civil sense of suitboot gentlemen. Masadi is powerful as he is telling truth of Wester nation control of Pakistan. He does not have finer manners but does it matter. He is tired of slavery so some time he may maginify, exhgarate but still it is truth.
First elite neglected him, then rediculed him when truth start shinging they want to block sun of Masadi now they want to destroy him for they can not open eyes as its too harsh words of Masadi.
Masadisahib you are being sensored, rediculed, hated etc but you are on mission , you knowing decided to carry fire in hands to bring light, its hard on you, I do not have strength, physical or mental like you but i wish good luck and pray for your work, you are doing thankless job , you are not hired barristor to defend undefendable that so pleasure now when all activities of elites are just business to make cheap money by doing haram works bombing defenceless people in caves , marassas, mountains and force them to surrender.I some times felt you need to moderate but moderation does not work elits have enslaved last 60 years, the journey was from nowhere to nowhere, just useless, Masadisahib go your way its lonely way its hard but you are doing social work of higest order. Please accept my best respects.

VRV/FOLIO
We all have seen how "civilized" were you on Chowk earlier. Blatant abuse, straight from the Burger King delivery boys parking lot. Loads of it. I can reproduce any number of hateful posts.

And now you have the gumption to lecture Tahmed..... you scum, you....

Read your own words below ...


QUOTE..

Manto Sri,

Like it or not, Jinnah is donkey personified. Like a typical donkey he saw only his life time and his perks in office but never foresaw the plight of `Indian Muslims` he claimed to speak for and represent. This donkey didnt foresee the future of this region.

Gandhi is peace and harmony personified. (Now u publish the South African phase of Gandhi`s life).

Jinnah Donkey sowed the seeds of hate in the minds of Indians. He gave birth to Hindu extremism which was not known in India since Parusu Rama & Pushmitra Sunga. Narendra Modi and Praveen Togadiya are the step-grandchildren of Jinnah`s politics & the snakeheads of Jamia Hafsa/Fareedia are all the love-children of Jinnah.

If extermism is the real and apparant face of Pakistan, it`s Jinnah was gave them a country but no platform to build the nation but bottomless hate for India and Hindus. There`s a proverb: Those who live by hate die by it. Let ur country die with this hate for India and Indians.

" QUOTE UNQUOTE.



VRV / Folio These are your own words.

True hypocrite. You stand totally Exposed. Full frontal.

Now cut the crap. We all know the real you.

#202 vrv: where did you get the impression that i debate anything with masadi? i stopped doing that after the first few attempts.

I am nobody to decide ur lingo for debates here. Resent is the only form of latent control on such abuses. It's entirely ur own business how u deal with others, inlcluding our own Masadi.


Btw, Hamid is above CHowk guidelines :-)
He never misses an opportunity to revile anybody (including me) and he does it with great fun.

vrv: you wrote "Unlike some fundoos here, he never abused u by ur sect."

sorry, you lost me here. i dont recall anyone abusing me by "my sect". any abuse received from fundos is my own personal achievement and i resent any attempt at denying me this credit!! :-)

coming back to masadi, perhaps the "hamidm compromise" should resolve the issue: i.e. use of the term "idiotlogue"? Is that acceptable.

PS: Thinking Storm - see how hard i am trying to get along here? ;-)

.... okay, masadi is not an idiot - he is an idiotlogue ....... is that any better ?

p.s. an idiotlogue is a person who subscrbes to an idiocy - most fundamentalist christians, jihadi muslims and arjun belong to this category .........

ooh ooh...my 2 cents please, if I may?

Masadi is not a basket case as so many would like to paint him. His argument is usually brilliant. His fault lies in taking things too seriously. He does not realize that you cannot convert a beleiver, or one who is oblivious.

He needs to laugh a little.

But the rest of his commentary is really wonderful. One needs to step back and see what he is saying. See it. The man speaketh mostly truths.


with much respect,
thinking storm

ta32,

I am not talking abt our interactions but ur abusive refs to masadi. Hope that helps.

Btw, I dont expect hamid2 to write in civi-style, since hamid is of diff breed (babar+gopinaths' aulaad).

Wow. I just realized that I may be the only person on chowk who likes all the lovely chowkies. Including the ugly lovelys.

Well Manto being the sole exception to the above...but other than that...

now VRV and tahmed chacha are arguing...masadi and tahmad are arguing...what happened to "can't we all just get along?" NO BJ, that wasn't Gandhi. It was Rodney King.

with much respect,
thinking storm

vrv #195 "I never saw him admitting good points of others or conceding his shortcomings. Its a typical desi psychology."

I beg to differ. There are plenty of people on chowk who are perfectly capable of conceding their shortcomings and appreciating positive aspects in others. And I have met some perfectly modest, positive desis. Nor can you generalize in this manner about one-sixth of humanity!!

You write " I cant force u to have a civilised debate "

I apoligize if you have found anything rude or disrespectful in what I wrote in #192 #193. Kindly do me the favor of cutting and pasting where I have been uncivilized in those posts written to you.

Sir, Unlike some fundoos here, he never abused u by ur sect. Give him creidt where it's due.

tahmed32,

It's all abt orientation. As a teacher by profession & socoilogist at that Masadi tend to be verbose. As a man who's a bachelor (whites are singles as there's nothing like bachelorhood for them anymore, whereas we have true bachelors among us) his emotional energy is reflecetd in his writings. If he sounds eccentric in parts it's not his fault. U may be aware that all creative ppl/innovators are eccentrics.

I never saw him admitting good points of others or conceding his shortcomings. Its a typical desi psychology. We all are into it. I too have some serious disagreements with Masadi abt the elite theory but I dont like to go to town calling him an idiot all the time.

Anyway I cant force u to have a civilised debate here; it's ur prerogative to be or not to be civlised(No Hamletian Dilemma here; u are a senior man).

#192 correction: I see on unplugged GT has in fact been good enough to answer my question of what he has learnt from Masadi - it has to do with Islamic reformation. That is fine, and you may wish to add something that you have learnt too, particlarly in Masadi's major (world politics and economics).

This doesnt change anything else I have said below.

#191 vrv: when someone becomes abusive or rude without provocation, then the target of his abuse has a right to either ignore him or to respond in kind. And if i call him an idiot, I have provided an example (see #182) of why I said that. And perhaps masadi has changed as you say - but he is not there yet as you can plainly see from his post addressed to me, e.g. If I am missing something, I ask you the favor of a response to the unanswered question I have for GT in #190 below.

You and GT are not doing masadi any favor by condoning his bad habit of abusing anyone who disagrees with him, btw. Such a attitude may be a minor annoyance on chowk for others, but is a recipe for failed careers, miserable marriages, and/or no friendships worth mentioning for the abuser in real life.

tahmed32 & hamid2,

If u disagee with masadi, u can say that i/o calling him an idiot, which is againt the rules of Chowk (I guess u are immune to them).

It's clear from his posts that he's not returning the compliment to u.

Masadi mellowed a lot - he's not using abuses anymore but u are high on that diet. By hurling abuses on masadi u are looking exacly what u are calling him. Sorry.