Asif Naqshbandi September 28, 2007
#113 Posted by Naqshbandi on October 5, 2007 8:12:06 am
a pagan proudly displays his paganism and idolatry in public--he boasts of worshipping an idol wrought with his own hands. Glory be to Allah who is so Merciful and Generous that He allows those of his slaves who do not even believe in Him--who worship idols!--to yet enjoy the pleasures of this world.
Truly, O' My Lord! Thou art Most Great! Allahu Akbar!
Truly, O' My Lord! Thou art Most Great! Allahu Akbar!
#114 Posted by shishapa on October 5, 2007 8:16:34 am
May be the pagan gods are preventing Allah
from preventing pleasures of this world
to those who do not believe in him!
May be Allah is just helpless in front of
those pagan gods i.e. she is not the Most
Great and all that powerful.
It is a possibility.
from preventing pleasures of this world
to those who do not believe in him!
May be Allah is just helpless in front of
those pagan gods i.e. she is not the Most
Great and all that powerful.
It is a possibility.
#115 Posted by zahid_e_khushk on October 5, 2007 8:53:52 am
The writer being a Brelvi doesn’t need to tell us that he places Muhammed at the center of this universe with even God admiring him as if he were not the creation of the same God who created everything. Brelvi religion very correctly diagnosed by Daniel Berk in his article on the transformation of the Punjabi man as a Christianity-inspired Islamic school of thought where Muhammed takes the place of Jesus and appears to the religious gatherings of Brelvis like transubstantiation in Christianity. The Brelvi School has never been able to give one sound reason for it’s boundless love for Muhammed which manifests itself as:
“Mahboob e Khuda,
Ma’bood e Jahan bhi hai kharidaar e Muhammad,
talabgaar e Muhammad, a seeker of Muhammad“
Is God buying Muhammed? Why should God seek Muhammed? For what purpose? Is God incomplete without God?
“Mahboob e Khuda,
Ma’bood e Jahan bhi hai kharidaar e Muhammad,
talabgaar e Muhammad, a seeker of Muhammad“
Is God buying Muhammed? Why should God seek Muhammed? For what purpose? Is God incomplete without God?
#116 Posted by zahid_e_khushk on October 5, 2007 8:54:33 am
Sorry, I meant is God incomplete without Muhammed?
#117 Posted by laddu on October 5, 2007 9:15:06 am
mr wolfy. Stop pretending. It goes against the glory of your allah that billions of idolators and kafirs enjoy life despite him.
#118 Posted by KaalChakra on October 5, 2007 10:17:09 am
Christianity-inspired?
Zahid, I didn't read Mr. Birk's article. Did he provide any evidence to back his claim that Barelvi school was christianity inspired?
Zahid, I didn't read Mr. Birk's article. Did he provide any evidence to back his claim that Barelvi school was christianity inspired?
#119 Posted by laddu on October 5, 2007 10:21:31 am
Re: # 116
god does not require anyone acting as his sole copy right agent. god reveals every breath . Even now as i write.
god does not require anyone acting as his sole copy right agent. god reveals every breath . Even now as i write.
#120 Posted by laddu on October 5, 2007 10:21:56 am
Re: # 116
god does not require anyone acting as his sole copy right agent. god reveals every breath . Even now as i write.
god does not require anyone acting as his sole copy right agent. god reveals every breath . Even now as i write.
#121 Posted by laddu on October 5, 2007 10:23:00 am
Re: # 116
god does not require anyone acting as his sole copy right agent. god reveals every breath . Even now as i write.
god does not require anyone acting as his sole copy right agent. god reveals every breath . Even now as i write.
#122 Posted by zahid_e_khushk on October 5, 2007 11:14:49 am
Re: # 118
KaalChakra, the article is still here and is certainly worth reading. You'll find an analysis of the fundamental thought of the Brelvi and Deobandi Schools there in particular how mystical ideas paved their way into these schools of thought and their effect on followers
KaalChakra, the article is still here and is certainly worth reading. You'll find an analysis of the fundamental thought of the Brelvi and Deobandi Schools there in particular how mystical ideas paved their way into these schools of thought and their effect on followers
#123 Posted by Naqshbandi on October 5, 2007 11:20:34 am
115. Zahid sahib it is sad that you look to an orientalist for your islam. it is not just 'Barelvis' who put the Prophet at the heart of their religion. Allah orders us in the Koran:
Say, O Muhammad, if you love Allah then follow ME (i.e. the Prophet).
And, None of you believes until Allah and His Messenger are dearer to you than your own selves!
and
Verily, we have created you (O Muhammad) with a magnificent character.
and
In the Messenger you have a most perfect example!
and
the kalimah itself is La ilaha il Allah MUHAMMAD ur Rasool Allah.
You cannot love Allah without loving the Prophet!
Were the Sahaba who used to collect the Prophet's blessed perspiration in bottles and use it as perfume 'inspired by Christianity?' Or when they used to not let even a drop of water which fell from him during wudu fall to the ground but rather catch it and rub it on their faces? Or collect his strands of hair and keep them when he had a haircut so much so that they risked their lives for one such blessed strand? Are all the incidents which show their total and complete love of the Prophet also 'inspired by Christianity'?
Yes the Prophet is the centre of our life and faith as he has been for all Muslims. There is one important difference though. We do NOT consider the blessed Habib of Allah divine like the Christians do Jesus. Yes he is Perfect and Infallible but not divine. He is still the creation and servant of Allah although he is the most perfect and best of creation. None of this is either 'Barelvi' nor new. If you read the earliest accounts of the Prophet you will see this is the case. Hassan ibn Thabit himself recited these words in front of the Beloved of Allah:
No mother has even given birth to one as perfect as you.
It is, as if, you were created according to your own desire!
and
I have not praised Muhammad with my words;
Rather, I have praised my words with Muhammad.
Was he also inspired by Christianity?! The great Imam Busiri--who lived in Egypt nearly a 1000 years before Imam Ahmad Raza Khan of Bareilly Sharif revived the Deen wrote the greatest poem of all bout Huzoor Paak when he said:
All the miracles that the other great Messenger worked by God's leave,
Were caused by the light that reached them from the light of Muhammad.
What we all know concerning him is that he is mortal human being;
But he is the best and greatest of all that God has created.
If the miracles he worked had been in proportion to his greatness,
The rotted bones would be revived when one prays, mentioning his holy name.
Ya Rasool Allah! sal Allahu alayhi wa sallam! By Allah I love Thee! May my parents be thy ransom!
(These words, May my parents be thy ransom --were used always by the Companions when they addressed the Prophet. Fidaka Abi wa Ammi Ya Rasool Allah. Was that also 'Barelvi' and Xtianity inspired?
And no we don't believe in transubstantiation. We do believe the souls of the righteous and the Prophets and the saints can travel where they please. That is also classical Sunni belief.
Iqbal himself wrote:
Abru-ye ma zi naam e Muhammad ast!
Our honour is from the name of the Prophet!
No wonder you are 'khushk' if you don't love the Prophet!
People becomes awliya BY loving the Prophet. The more you love him the closer you are to Allah.
And you foolish man, the poems of Dillu Ram are his not those of a 'Barelvi'. He was an ashiq e Rasool.
And Allah DOES seek the Prophet's pleasure! He Himself tells us so in the Koran Sharif in Sura Duha (93):
Wa la sawfa yu'tika Rabbuka fa TARDA.
And soon your Rabb shall give you so much that YOU WILL BE PLEASED.
Khuda ki raza chahatay hain do aalam
Khuda chahata hai raza-e-Muhammad!
Both the worlds wish to please God!
And God wishes that Muhammad is pleased!
Say, O Muhammad, if you love Allah then follow ME (i.e. the Prophet).
And, None of you believes until Allah and His Messenger are dearer to you than your own selves!
and
Verily, we have created you (O Muhammad) with a magnificent character.
and
In the Messenger you have a most perfect example!
and
the kalimah itself is La ilaha il Allah MUHAMMAD ur Rasool Allah.
You cannot love Allah without loving the Prophet!
Were the Sahaba who used to collect the Prophet's blessed perspiration in bottles and use it as perfume 'inspired by Christianity?' Or when they used to not let even a drop of water which fell from him during wudu fall to the ground but rather catch it and rub it on their faces? Or collect his strands of hair and keep them when he had a haircut so much so that they risked their lives for one such blessed strand? Are all the incidents which show their total and complete love of the Prophet also 'inspired by Christianity'?
Yes the Prophet is the centre of our life and faith as he has been for all Muslims. There is one important difference though. We do NOT consider the blessed Habib of Allah divine like the Christians do Jesus. Yes he is Perfect and Infallible but not divine. He is still the creation and servant of Allah although he is the most perfect and best of creation. None of this is either 'Barelvi' nor new. If you read the earliest accounts of the Prophet you will see this is the case. Hassan ibn Thabit himself recited these words in front of the Beloved of Allah:
No mother has even given birth to one as perfect as you.
It is, as if, you were created according to your own desire!
and
I have not praised Muhammad with my words;
Rather, I have praised my words with Muhammad.
Was he also inspired by Christianity?! The great Imam Busiri--who lived in Egypt nearly a 1000 years before Imam Ahmad Raza Khan of Bareilly Sharif revived the Deen wrote the greatest poem of all bout Huzoor Paak when he said:
All the miracles that the other great Messenger worked by God's leave,
Were caused by the light that reached them from the light of Muhammad.
What we all know concerning him is that he is mortal human being;
But he is the best and greatest of all that God has created.
If the miracles he worked had been in proportion to his greatness,
The rotted bones would be revived when one prays, mentioning his holy name.
Ya Rasool Allah! sal Allahu alayhi wa sallam! By Allah I love Thee! May my parents be thy ransom!
(These words, May my parents be thy ransom --were used always by the Companions when they addressed the Prophet. Fidaka Abi wa Ammi Ya Rasool Allah. Was that also 'Barelvi' and Xtianity inspired?
And no we don't believe in transubstantiation. We do believe the souls of the righteous and the Prophets and the saints can travel where they please. That is also classical Sunni belief.
Iqbal himself wrote:
Abru-ye ma zi naam e Muhammad ast!
Our honour is from the name of the Prophet!
No wonder you are 'khushk' if you don't love the Prophet!
People becomes awliya BY loving the Prophet. The more you love him the closer you are to Allah.
And you foolish man, the poems of Dillu Ram are his not those of a 'Barelvi'. He was an ashiq e Rasool.
And Allah DOES seek the Prophet's pleasure! He Himself tells us so in the Koran Sharif in Sura Duha (93):
Wa la sawfa yu'tika Rabbuka fa TARDA.
And soon your Rabb shall give you so much that YOU WILL BE PLEASED.
Khuda ki raza chahatay hain do aalam
Khuda chahata hai raza-e-Muhammad!
Both the worlds wish to please God!
And God wishes that Muhammad is pleased!
#124 Posted by Naqshbandi on October 5, 2007 11:25:39 am
about the deobandis and people who would limit the love of the Prophet allama Iqbal wrote scathingly:
#125 Posted by Naqshbandi on October 5, 2007 11:26:44 am
The East still does not know the mysteries of this Religion, otherwise
From Deoband, Hussain Ahmad! What a most strange person he is-
Crying from the pulpit that the (Muslim) community is from the nation!
Unaware as he is of the rank of Muhammad the Arabian
Reach, Mustafa, the Chosen One, for in this Religion 'everything is he'
If you do not reach him, everything is like Abu Lahab (i.e. satanic, evil)
- ( Iqbal, Armaghan i Hijaz, Urdu)
From Deoband, Hussain Ahmad! What a most strange person he is-
Crying from the pulpit that the (Muslim) community is from the nation!
Unaware as he is of the rank of Muhammad the Arabian
Reach, Mustafa, the Chosen One, for in this Religion 'everything is he'
If you do not reach him, everything is like Abu Lahab (i.e. satanic, evil)
- ( Iqbal, Armaghan i Hijaz, Urdu)
#126 Posted by zahid_e_khushk on October 5, 2007 11:38:33 am
Dear Naqshbandi Sahib,
Thanks for bringing the Brelvi love-based ideology to the point:
"Khuda ki raza chahatay hain do aalam
Khuda chahata hai raza-e-Muhammad!"
This is the crossroad. It brings Muhammed at the center of this universe with even God trying to 'seek Muhammed' and to 'please Muhammed'. What's the basis of this boundless love for Muhammed? Islam is some 600 years younger than Christianity and it can be ruled out that early Muslims were aware of the Christian thought and the centrality of Jesus in their religion where we read words praising Jesus as:
"This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased; hear ye him" (Mathews, 17:5)
Sounds familiar?
Thanks for bringing the Brelvi love-based ideology to the point:
"Khuda ki raza chahatay hain do aalam
Khuda chahata hai raza-e-Muhammad!"
This is the crossroad. It brings Muhammed at the center of this universe with even God trying to 'seek Muhammed' and to 'please Muhammed'. What's the basis of this boundless love for Muhammed? Islam is some 600 years younger than Christianity and it can be ruled out that early Muslims were aware of the Christian thought and the centrality of Jesus in their religion where we read words praising Jesus as:
"This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased; hear ye him" (Mathews, 17:5)
Sounds familiar?
#127 Posted by zahid_e_khushk on October 5, 2007 11:41:32 am
Re: # 126
Sorry once again, I meant "it can NOT be ruled out that early Muslims were aware of the Christian thought ..."
Sorry once again, I meant "it can NOT be ruled out that early Muslims were aware of the Christian thought ..."
#128 Posted by Naqshbandi on October 5, 2007 12:24:35 pm
zahid sahib as i wrote in my previous post in detail the koran itself is witness that Allah seeks to please the Prophet! When that is the case and the earliest Muslims loved him to an unimaginable degree what is wrong with muslims of today following their lead?
Even if there are similarities between our love of the Habib and the love the Christians have for Jesus --whom we also love!--the DIFFERENCE is greater.
We say, "Love and praise the Prophet as much as you like--the only limit is that do not attribute divinity to him and we do NOT." Saying "Khuda chahata hai raza e Muhammad (sal Allahu alayhi wa sallam)" is just a poetic but correct translation of the Koranic verse, "Wa la sawfa yu'tika Rabbuka fatarDa". It does not mean the Prophet is greater than Allah!
As Imam Busiri said, "Leave aside what the Christians say about Jesus/Apart from that praise Muhammad as much as you like!"
Samajh aayee bhai?
Even if there are similarities between our love of the Habib and the love the Christians have for Jesus --whom we also love!--the DIFFERENCE is greater.
We say, "Love and praise the Prophet as much as you like--the only limit is that do not attribute divinity to him and we do NOT." Saying "Khuda chahata hai raza e Muhammad (sal Allahu alayhi wa sallam)" is just a poetic but correct translation of the Koranic verse, "Wa la sawfa yu'tika Rabbuka fatarDa". It does not mean the Prophet is greater than Allah!
As Imam Busiri said, "Leave aside what the Christians say about Jesus/Apart from that praise Muhammad as much as you like!"
Samajh aayee bhai?
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