Saad Anis October 2, 2007
#8 Posted by sayitright on October 13, 2007 11:02:23 pm
WHAT you need an ORDINANCE in the ISLAMIC republic of Pakistan for Ramadan? Can anybody please enlighten this soul on why Pakistan was created in the first place?
#6 Posted by zahid_e_khushk on October 5, 2007 6:22:33 am
The writer is making here a fundamental error of judgement regarding the spirit behind that law. He is either unaware of the history of the making of Pakistan as a separate country for Muslims – though not disavowing the Nonmuslims – or is indeed a Roman Catholic merely expressing his anger for having been thrashed by some fundamentalist for not fasting!
He has mentioned U.S. without mentioning the U.S. Prohibition Act which was a Christian version of the Act that triggered this article. Not understanding the religious spirit of both countries Pakistan and the U.S. that has and still shapes the thought could only lead to false conclusions. The Islamic elements in the oath for the higher offices in Pakistan are an expression of the historical and moral responsibility of this nation with a large number of sacrifices in the name of Islam during the war of independence.
That’s a different matter if the state could and should enforce the individuals to fast whereby freeing them quite generously from the obligatory prayers as if that were a personal issue of the individual whereas fasting a matter between the individual and the state.
He has mentioned U.S. without mentioning the U.S. Prohibition Act which was a Christian version of the Act that triggered this article. Not understanding the religious spirit of both countries Pakistan and the U.S. that has and still shapes the thought could only lead to false conclusions. The Islamic elements in the oath for the higher offices in Pakistan are an expression of the historical and moral responsibility of this nation with a large number of sacrifices in the name of Islam during the war of independence.
That’s a different matter if the state could and should enforce the individuals to fast whereby freeing them quite generously from the obligatory prayers as if that were a personal issue of the individual whereas fasting a matter between the individual and the state.
#5 Posted by abu_safwaan on October 4, 2007 1:48:41 pm
Mulk mein aagg lagii hoii hayy....wardi mein jamhooriyat hayy...awaz uthanay parr sir phaR dayaty hein...ghareeb koo waysayy hii khanay kaa koii aasra hayy na pani kaa..bijli hayy nahii orr innn aflatoon kayyy bachoon koo tamam buraiyoon ki jaR ordinance mein nazar aarahii hayy....abbayy jahill kayy bachoon kabhii zameen parr utaarr karr awam kii baatt bhii kara karoo..mautt nahii aajayegi tumko
#4 Posted by IB on October 4, 2007 1:12:16 pm
What a waste of time !!!!
Ramzan - Ordinance , during my service of two years and three months - i never came across anyone who came in to lodge any sort of complaint against someone for breaking ramazan ordinance.
Wasay, good points by both the authour and clifton chachee!
Ramzan - Ordinance , during my service of two years and three months - i never came across anyone who came in to lodge any sort of complaint against someone for breaking ramazan ordinance.
Wasay, good points by both the authour and clifton chachee!
#3 Posted by kabuliwallah on October 4, 2007 11:33:40 am
without disputing the merits of this article, I respectfully submit that it could've done with much less legalese.
regards
regards
#2 Posted by cliftonbridge on October 4, 2007 10:56:41 am
Good argument, wrong country - unfortunately true liberals in pakistan have no critical mass outside of one or two main cities and unless the very structure of governance and society undergoes a massive change they will become increasingly more irrelevent. Kanjars tragically have a large critical mass both of the religious and nonreligious variety. This would explain why STD's are much more widespread than genuine liberal thought in pakistan
We are talking about a country with 0.85 % female literacy in the Northern areas ..desperate poverty...no naam o nishaan of law and order and blatant prejudice iif not hatred against pretty much everyone.
In that backdrop politically correcting the ramzan ordinance so that NONFASTERS not nonmuslims can do as they please is unfortunately out of touch. (Overwhelmingly the nonfasters are nonobserving muslims, not romans or catholics which is just putting mirch masala on the issue)
So the ramzan PC issue - its kind of like how americans will actually break into their 401k's to make sure their dogs are able to live on dialysis. A nice enough sentiment, but try convincing rwandans of the import and nobility of that enterprise.
We are talking about a country with 0.85 % female literacy in the Northern areas ..desperate poverty...no naam o nishaan of law and order and blatant prejudice iif not hatred against pretty much everyone.
In that backdrop politically correcting the ramzan ordinance so that NONFASTERS not nonmuslims can do as they please is unfortunately out of touch. (Overwhelmingly the nonfasters are nonobserving muslims, not romans or catholics which is just putting mirch masala on the issue)
So the ramzan PC issue - its kind of like how americans will actually break into their 401k's to make sure their dogs are able to live on dialysis. A nice enough sentiment, but try convincing rwandans of the import and nobility of that enterprise.
#1 Posted by Urstruly on October 4, 2007 10:38:20 am
"Normally, the reason behind the promulgation of any law is rooted in need. "
Not only that but the raison d'etre of any law is based in the ethic or value of the society. The need for codification of the that ethic or value arises when society at large wishes to assert that value without any ambiguity. It is good law, its based on the ethics of the majority, and it represents the assertiveness of that majority. Hands off.
Not only that but the raison d'etre of any law is based in the ethic or value of the society. The need for codification of the that ethic or value arises when society at large wishes to assert that value without any ambiguity. It is good law, its based on the ethics of the majority, and it represents the assertiveness of that majority. Hands off.
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