Mohammad A Shaikh October 5, 2007
#150 Posted by borivili_express on October 7, 2007 2:14:33 pm
IB are u mad? u think sheikh rashid is a better guy than imran? Imran was offered a ministership by every ruler from zia to musharraf with BB and nawaz inbetween, he himself chose not to work with these chors
u could say he is a hypocrite, u could say he is stupid as well but he is still the best among this lot, and mind u it takes a lot of hardwork to be counted as the greatest allrounder, the father of pakistan's fast bowling revival and to captain and a bunch of unruly hooligans that pakistani cricketers are, and on many an occasion Imran won a match by himself wether it be his bowling batting captaincy or all three. In the 92 world cup he had an injured shoulder was taking pain killing injections and was without his main strike bowler waqar yet he won it with his tactics and batting alone.
imran might have been born with a silver spoon and i dont know what sheikh rashid's backgound was but if Imran didnt work hard to be where he is then no one in pakistan has
u could say he is a hypocrite, u could say he is stupid as well but he is still the best among this lot, and mind u it takes a lot of hardwork to be counted as the greatest allrounder, the father of pakistan's fast bowling revival and to captain and a bunch of unruly hooligans that pakistani cricketers are, and on many an occasion Imran won a match by himself wether it be his bowling batting captaincy or all three. In the 92 world cup he had an injured shoulder was taking pain killing injections and was without his main strike bowler waqar yet he won it with his tactics and batting alone.
imran might have been born with a silver spoon and i dont know what sheikh rashid's backgound was but if Imran didnt work hard to be where he is then no one in pakistan has
#149 Posted by IB on October 7, 2007 2:02:28 pm
Re: # 145- yaar agree of not ! Sheikh Rashed is a gem. I mean leave his ( punjabi accent behind ) but just listen to what he says for once. He is quite stright foward as compared to the like of Feudals !
a) Actually it was not Sheikh Rasheed who left Nawaz Sharif but N.Sarif who did not gave his party ticket to Sheikh and sold the ticket to another guy who later lost to Sheikh Rasheed. ( who would you call lota than? - problem is with the elitist mentality which does not allow a middle / lower middle class man / woman to progress and ignores merits )
b) Sheikh Rasheed has worked in his areas - provided his supporters jobs and in return these folks will vote him again in office.
a) Actually it was not Sheikh Rasheed who left Nawaz Sharif but N.Sarif who did not gave his party ticket to Sheikh and sold the ticket to another guy who later lost to Sheikh Rasheed. ( who would you call lota than? - problem is with the elitist mentality which does not allow a middle / lower middle class man / woman to progress and ignores merits )
b) Sheikh Rasheed has worked in his areas - provided his supporters jobs and in return these folks will vote him again in office.
#148 Posted by anil on October 7, 2007 1:50:22 pm
Re: # 146
ZK:
I just express my opinion. This is from a non-muslim, on top of it - certainly not from anywhere closer to what you hold sacred. Just ignore what I wrote, after all it is just an opinion of a non-muslim.
ZK:
I just express my opinion. This is from a non-muslim, on top of it - certainly not from anywhere closer to what you hold sacred. Just ignore what I wrote, after all it is just an opinion of a non-muslim.
#147 Posted by cliftonbridge on October 7, 2007 12:58:49 pm
re #60 and #139
Anil you may be right about the army democracy nexus keeping each other honest through opposition. I guess thats how democracy is supposed to work. You may also be right about pakistan starting its slow slog out of the wilderness. For all the pitfalls we have faced (most of our own making) education is actually improving and economics even faster than that. In some places believers in womens empowerment have also reached a critical mass. In other places unfortunately this seems even more elusive than ever.
I do think the people of Pakistan and India have genuine commonality and both could both benefit from each others stability and prosperity. I think the process has begun hopefully it will be completed in our lifetimes. I am sure Manto would say the same.
Thanks for your posts.
Anil you may be right about the army democracy nexus keeping each other honest through opposition. I guess thats how democracy is supposed to work. You may also be right about pakistan starting its slow slog out of the wilderness. For all the pitfalls we have faced (most of our own making) education is actually improving and economics even faster than that. In some places believers in womens empowerment have also reached a critical mass. In other places unfortunately this seems even more elusive than ever.
I do think the people of Pakistan and India have genuine commonality and both could both benefit from each others stability and prosperity. I think the process has begun hopefully it will be completed in our lifetimes. I am sure Manto would say the same.
Thanks for your posts.
#146 Posted by ZK on October 7, 2007 12:27:29 pm
#139 Anil
“Yasser's face here, does not reflect the Pakistani youth”
Is that because he challenges your assertion that you know what is best for Pakistan? Or because of his scholarship – brilliantly articulated - of the “dead and gone”?
“Yasser's face here, does not reflect the Pakistani youth”
Is that because he challenges your assertion that you know what is best for Pakistan? Or because of his scholarship – brilliantly articulated - of the “dead and gone”?
#145 Posted by borivili_express on October 7, 2007 12:10:44 pm
hamidm
you think sheikh rashid jumped ship in order to give paved roads and running water ? u sound even more naive than this HBS gota
you think sheikh rashid jumped ship in order to give paved roads and running water ? u sound even more naive than this HBS gota
#144 Posted by hamidm2 on October 7, 2007 11:56:21 am
Re: # 142
brilvili,
... sheikh sahib is not a lota - he can get elected with or without any party ...... i think he has done a lot more for his constituents by joining the ruling party instead of fighting it for some silly 'principle' - i would rather have paved roads and running water ..... and nobody has ever been able to bring up any charges of corruption against him - bb tried her best and finally threw him in jail for posessing an unlicensed weapon !......... he still laughs about it ...
another great quote: during benazir's government when he was asked about what he thought about a sitting prime minister being pregnant, he replied, "i swear i had nothing to do with it - i was in jail ".......... the man is priceless !
brilvili,
... sheikh sahib is not a lota - he can get elected with or without any party ...... i think he has done a lot more for his constituents by joining the ruling party instead of fighting it for some silly 'principle' - i would rather have paved roads and running water ..... and nobody has ever been able to bring up any charges of corruption against him - bb tried her best and finally threw him in jail for posessing an unlicensed weapon !......... he still laughs about it ...
another great quote: during benazir's government when he was asked about what he thought about a sitting prime minister being pregnant, he replied, "i swear i had nothing to do with it - i was in jail ".......... the man is priceless !
#143 Posted by borivili_express on October 7, 2007 11:40:57 am
and if a man like yasser will not be elected than these hbs chutiyas have no hope in hell
#142 Posted by borivili_express on October 7, 2007 11:34:07 am
hamid pai
sheikh rashid is not just a lota hes a lota without any compunctions or scruples.
did he pass u the leftovers in his college days? does he still hrow a haddi or two
sheikh rashid is not just a lota hes a lota without any compunctions or scruples.
did he pass u the leftovers in his college days? does he still hrow a haddi or two
#141 Posted by borivili_express on October 7, 2007 11:30:28 am
so now HBS alum will decide our fates what bull!! i have seen so many jokers from their god help us if they will now sit at negotiating tables
#140 Posted by anil on October 7, 2007 10:59:43 am
Re: # 139
Kaal: I noticed typos, after I pressed submit. Sorry for it.
Kaal: I noticed typos, after I pressed submit. Sorry for it.
#139 Posted by anil on October 7, 2007 10:57:56 am
Re: # 62
Kaal:
"....., a most fascinating prognosis. Do you have any time frame in mind for this process to unfold? ...."
For your answer, let me quote from the latest Harvard Business School Alumni Bulletin. Second time in its history, HBS Alumnns have accpointed non-American as the President.
This time it is Saquib Shirazi, CEO, Atlas Honda, Karachi. He is quote as following:
"From his own experiences, Shirazi said he sees more HBS alums i positions where theyface HBS counterparts acress the table....., and in some cases, they even get involved in helping to defuse geopolitical disputes."
"He recounted, for example, how Pakistan and India picked key business leaders to negotiate a reduction of dangerously escalating border hostilities between two countries back in 2002. The Pakistani team had four HBS alums,- including Saquib Shirazi - while the indian delegation had atleast six. " -Page 2, HBS Alumni Bulletin, Sep. 2007
Unfortunately, with all obsession about dead and gone, and repeated choices for the loosers (Imran Khan etc.) Yasser's face here, does not reflect the Pakistani youth. Scoutnew, Cliftonbridge, Salim Chauhan, Zeena and Zahraj show a true pluralism and vibrancy.
Are you surprised that four out of five are women?
Pakistan need stability, education and female empowerment. Let it come, and see the transformation. Timeframe, is something I cannot say when. I can only point that India got much earlier. I know results speaks for themselves. None should interpret this statement that India is a rose garden.
Kaal:
"....., a most fascinating prognosis. Do you have any time frame in mind for this process to unfold? ...."
For your answer, let me quote from the latest Harvard Business School Alumni Bulletin. Second time in its history, HBS Alumnns have accpointed non-American as the President.
This time it is Saquib Shirazi, CEO, Atlas Honda, Karachi. He is quote as following:
"From his own experiences, Shirazi said he sees more HBS alums i positions where theyface HBS counterparts acress the table....., and in some cases, they even get involved in helping to defuse geopolitical disputes."
"He recounted, for example, how Pakistan and India picked key business leaders to negotiate a reduction of dangerously escalating border hostilities between two countries back in 2002. The Pakistani team had four HBS alums,- including Saquib Shirazi - while the indian delegation had atleast six. " -Page 2, HBS Alumni Bulletin, Sep. 2007
Unfortunately, with all obsession about dead and gone, and repeated choices for the loosers (Imran Khan etc.) Yasser's face here, does not reflect the Pakistani youth. Scoutnew, Cliftonbridge, Salim Chauhan, Zeena and Zahraj show a true pluralism and vibrancy.
Are you surprised that four out of five are women?
Pakistan need stability, education and female empowerment. Let it come, and see the transformation. Timeframe, is something I cannot say when. I can only point that India got much earlier. I know results speaks for themselves. None should interpret this statement that India is a rose garden.
#138 Posted by arjun3 on October 7, 2007 10:30:02 am
#117 Posted by bulleya on October 7, 2007 7:45:44 am
baluchistan and nwfp goes to the maulvis again, to ensure americans remain in line....
americans remain in line? HAHA..that's almost as stupid as the t-shirts remark...some people here said something like that a short while ago..and then the news of the hellfires broke..
outside your echo-chamber of self-delusion, the world sees it as it is..uncle sam has pureland on a leash..whether the leash is mushy or benazir is hardly relevant...
baluchistan and nwfp goes to the maulvis again, to ensure americans remain in line....
americans remain in line? HAHA..that's almost as stupid as the t-shirts remark...some people here said something like that a short while ago..and then the news of the hellfires broke..
outside your echo-chamber of self-delusion, the world sees it as it is..uncle sam has pureland on a leash..whether the leash is mushy or benazir is hardly relevant...
#137 Posted by hamidm2 on October 7, 2007 10:24:43 am
Re: # 135
borivili,
.... i don't think it is fair to compare the prophet (pbuh and his camel) to sheik rashid ..... sheikh sahib, inspite of his reputation, couldn't possibly keep up with a prolific prophet .....
borivili,
.... i don't think it is fair to compare the prophet (pbuh and his camel) to sheik rashid ..... sheikh sahib, inspite of his reputation, couldn't possibly keep up with a prolific prophet .....
#136 Posted by tahmed32 on October 7, 2007 10:04:48 am
masadi: let me add this lullaby to hamidm's good night to you...
In the jungle, the mighty jungle
Masadi sleeps tonight
In the jungle, the mighty jungle
The lion sleeps tonight
(Chorus)
Imbube
Ingonyama ifile
Ingonyama ilele
Thula
Hush, Evil Elite, be afraid, Evil Elite
Masadi sleeps tonight
Hush, Evil Elite, be very afraid Evil Elite
The lion sleeps tonight
(Chorus)
Imbube
Ingonyama ifile
Ingonyama ilele
Thula
In the jungle, the mighty jungle
Masadi sleeps tonight
In the jungle, the mighty jungle
The lion sleeps tonight
(Chorus)
Imbube
Ingonyama ifile
Ingonyama ilele
Thula
Hush, Evil Elite, be afraid, Evil Elite
Masadi sleeps tonight
Hush, Evil Elite, be very afraid Evil Elite
The lion sleeps tonight
(Chorus)
Imbube
Ingonyama ifile
Ingonyama ilele
Thula
#135 Posted by borivili_express on October 7, 2007 9:51:35 am
hamidm
I will admit i to used to like sheikh rashid, what a big fuker i used to think, but the way hhe spread his legs without a whimper for musharaf was too much even mushahid hussain made a few noises before he gave in.
Another thing is as he has grown older he seems more and more queer, you know what our beloved prophet said: The one who does not marry is not one among us.
and the donation of his to a omen's college i suspect is just so that he doent have to go out to purchase milk, u know sort of having a dairy farm at home.
I will admit i to used to like sheikh rashid, what a big fuker i used to think, but the way hhe spread his legs without a whimper for musharaf was too much even mushahid hussain made a few noises before he gave in.
Another thing is as he has grown older he seems more and more queer, you know what our beloved prophet said: The one who does not marry is not one among us.
and the donation of his to a omen's college i suspect is just so that he doent have to go out to purchase milk, u know sort of having a dairy farm at home.
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