Can Religious Leaders Redeem the Future of the World?

in #106 read "You are very much living in the USA when you live in Lahore or Karachi or Islamabad, just not in the backwater ghetto areas that are reserved by them for your kind i.e. people of color. "

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You are very much living in the USA when you live in Lahore or Karachi or Islamabad, just that you are in the backwater ghetto areas that are reserved by them for your kind i.e. people of color.

tahmed writes "it is the millions of muslims not as fortunate as you in getting a visa to the west who are paying the cost of your above-mentioned luxury. "

For this peon of the West a quick ticket to his "heaven" is all what the Muslims should seek. The "cost" to us of this "heaven" is the state of our countries, for the ghetto as well as the underdeveloped countries where people live in misery and where they are trapped due to all kinds of bureaucratic restrictions from travelling God's earth is the gift of Western Civilization to the rest of the World. They are the authors of the conditions that we face by their policies today and their (colonization) policies of the past.

Do not think that if you're living in Pakistan, you are not living in the USA. You are very much living in the USA when you live in Lahore or Karachi or Islamabad, just not in the backwater ghetto areas that are reserved by them for your kind i.e. people of color. The visa wont save you either, look at the condition of the internally colonized and the neighbourhoods they live in, smell the smell of the ghetto and it will be like sweet home Pakistan...The whole world is the playing field of the US elite, racially segregated with continent wide prisons, and Pakistan is part of it...

Aslam,

Re: #103

As of now, maybe not. But in future???

Regards

#103 by aslam644

as far as i am aware there are no laws in europe which discriminate in favour of non-muslim countries, thousands of iraqis are getting asylum, 80,000 in sweden alone.

If push comes to shove, countries will set aside such niceties as laws and do what they want to.

Re: # 102
as far as i am aware there are no laws in europe which discriminate in favour of non-muslim countries, thousands of iraqis are getting asylum, 80,000 in sweden alone.

Aslam,

Re: 101

The Western world does need the labour and talent of third world countries desperately. But as Tahmed sahib rightly points out the attitude of some Muslim immigrants means that these countries would tend to favour import of surplus labour from non-Muslim countries like India and China than from Muslims countries like Pakistan.

Regards

Re: # 97
I agree with you that Pakistani immigrants in Europe are viewed with suspicion because of the actions of few muslims, before 9/11 pakistani-panjabis were flooding into Europe both legally and illegally in spain and italy mini Pakistans were being created quite a few have established thriving businesses. Compared to northern Europe southern Europe is paradise in terms of weather. Let us hope this is only a temporary problem and immigration proceeds as before because this has the potential to transform Punjab. I have witnessed with my own eyes some villages in jhelum where quite a few young men have gone to Europe for work, there is construction boom in these villages with new houses and small businesses being built.

The muslim scholars instead of writing to the pope should have written to teh fellow muslims of pakistan that blowing up barber shops are un-islamic. No ...no...they could not have done that, there is a specific verse in the book that says that all muslims should grow beard and as such blowing up barber shops is a jihadic act.

Tailoring shops, music centres blown up



Dawn Report


GHALANAI, Oct 16: At least five shops — two videos and CDs centres, two tailoring shops and one hair cutting salon — were destroyed and about a dozen others damaged in an explosion that occurred in the wee hours of Monday in the Mian Mandi Bazaar.

Local people said the bomb explosion in Khwajawas Market spread panic in the area.

On Tuesday, hairdressers displayed large banners outside their shops in the area stating that they had stopped shaving beards. The banners stated that the hairdressers would only cut hair in accordance with the religious code.

The local militants have been patrolling different areas.

A group of militants also patrolled some roads in the settled areas adjacent to the Mohmand Agency, including Pir Qala.

#98 majumdar: "why should we act spoilsports?"

because this luxury is cost-free only to urstruly (as explained in my post).

Tahmed sahib,

(So, the only logical conclusion is that you want to have the luxury of following the mullah fashion of berating the US and western civilization generally, while at the same time enjoying the fruits of western civilization.)

If Maulana Urstruly (pbuh) and his likes want to enjoy the fruits of paradise both in this world and hereafter why should we act spoilsports?

Regards

Urstruly: No one is arguing below against your right to speak your mind. All I am saying for example is that your actions contradict what you say. I have been pointing this out to you for years, and you have been simply ignoring this question.

If your actions were to match your words, you would have moved to neighboring Afghanistan when it was under the Taliban (whose de facto policies matched quite well what you keep favoring on chowk) to raise your family - and not come thousands of miles to the US instead. So, the only logical conclusion is that you want to have the luxury of following the mullah fashion of berating the US and western civilization generally, while at the same time enjoying the fruits of western civilization.

Only muslim-haters (read arjuns posts gloating about the low popularity of the US in Pakistan) and only the ignorant fools among muslims applaud this ego-satisfying "confrontation" with the west the maulvis engage in - since (as I pointed out to GT below), it is the millions of muslims not as fortunate as you in getting a visa to the west who are paying the cost of your above-mentioned luxury.

The truth is that mullah fazloo - who was at the forefront of US flag burning in Pakistan after the US invasion of Afghanistan after 9/11, which was prominently shown on US TVs - has made clear he is fighting for no principal higher than that of furthering is personal political ambitions like any other two-taka politician. And the truth is that it is because of such actions that Pakistanis find it much harder to get jobs and visas to the west today than Indians e.g. I hope someday, for the sake of the millions of muslims who suffer the consequences of this bogus "confrontation" with the west, if not "merely" for the sake of being fair and honest, you will give this matter some thought.

An Appeal to Hamidm2 and Urstruly and others!

Since you are all reasonable and learned Gentlefolk. So here is an appeal.

Urstruly(and religious & conservative folk) do whatever Hamidm2 suggests - drink, womenise, go to lap and pole dancing clubs. I.E enjoy life according to Hamidm2

Hamidm2 and others (non-religious debauched folk) do whatever urstruly suggests - bang heads,bend over, whatever in addition to Praying to God, reading the Koran.Life accoding to Urstruly

In other words see what the other perceives to be the DARK SIDE

While you guys are at it (like rabbits or otherwise), me GT, and a few other will open the books and start taking bets!

Its a win win all roound. What say you!

Re: # 93

"as long as i can have a drink when i want to ......... that's all i want in addition to free markets, democracy and the playboy channel ....... “


There is going to be one in Jannah- with lots of intoxicating and refreshing drinks and a lot of houries and young boys as per your preference.

And the benefit is that none of the gals there mensturate- thereby implying that they are available 24X7 times a day for your pleasure.

How can you resist that offer from Allah and ask for subscription to a pay channel for which you have to work as slave to the capitalist west.??

Re: # 85 but within their definitions if there was an overlap, then there would be, perhaps a meeting point, a point from which a new discourse could start.

If there is not overlap - binary- you have a problem.

Re: hamdim2 # 92

“as long as i can have a drink when i want to ......... that's all i want in addition to free markets, democracy and the playboy channel ....... “

and all he wants to do is run your life for you....


sounds like a marriage made in heaven!

Regards,

Faruk

Re: # 90

arjun,

.... are you saying urstruly is some guy named mohammed?..... i think that urstruly does not really exist - he is a character invented by the horrible hindoos and the zionists to discredit muslims in general, and pakis in particular .... unfortunately, tahmed is our best response to this horrible caricature .....