Can Religious Leaders Redeem the Future of the World?

Re: # 58

GT an interesting way of posing a question...its a conundrum of sorts.

You already have an answer of sorts below #55 from Urstruly's key board.

The categorical manner in which you have posed the question: the only answer is fascism (which is also what Urstruly advocates (ultimately his answer can be reduced to that - if it is shorn of all the niceties of religion he decorates it with). I am sure you for one moment are suggesting that this is way out.

Democracy thrives on this interplay of good over bad. That this the key to human progress. Without it we are monochrome and would still be riding camels and thinking cold is god's punishment for being a "sinner"!

Dr. Gill:

If two sides cannot agree on what is presently wrong in this world then how can they redeem the future of the world without violence?

For, the future can only be redeemed by getting rid of those who do 'bad' fully convinced that what they do is 'good'.

Urstruly #55 Very dramatic post. You have outdone yourself!! Congratulations. Drama Queens the world over are green with envy!!

can we see an example of this shiny islamic caliphate..just one..

The original question in the article that is "Can Religious Leaders Redeem the Future of the World?" is hard to answer because Christians (of West)may be the stakeholders in the neo-colonial assault on Muslim lands but they are not the one who are calling the shots. Please keep in mind Islam originally was revealed to reform both Christianity and Judiaism. Judiaism rejects Islam on the basis of their perceived sense of racial superiority over all other. hence Judiaism has been reduced to a racial fraternity. On the other hand in Christianity the grafting of Greek and Roman pagan mythology has reduced it to a polytheistic religion-where gods have sons and fathers and they have mothers and what not. This is an absolute deviation from the religion of Abraham. The final blow to Christianity came with the renaissance when Christianity as an ideology was defeated on all fronts politically, militarily, and morally at the hands of atheists.

So the real interlocutors in this war of oppression and freedom are the Muslims and the atheists (Kafirs) of West in particular and of rest of the world in general. The adherents of other looser religions such as Christianity, Judiaism, Hinduism and Quadianism are on the Western bandwagon because this is their last ditch effort to survie and they are thinking that they are on the winning side. As a matter of fact their situation is nothing but damned if you and damend if you don't.

The correct approach, following the Sunnah of Holy Prophet (pbuh) has been adopted by Ahmadinejad who has addressed the heart of kufr (atheism) and conveyed them the message of Monotheism of Islam.

Christians and Jews has one advantage over atheists that even though they have corrupted their belief in equality of humanity and soveriegnity of Allah still has managed to the moral values that Moses (pbuh) and Jesus (pbuh) taught them. Holy Prophet (pbuh) did nothing but revitalized the same moral values.

Atheists on the other hand, by default, cannot have moral values. At the best they can take some religious values and call them their own as long as it serves their purpose and then move on. There are two points however upon which atheists solely bank on:

1. An economic system that has benefitted them immensely materially. call it Capitalism.

2. A secular democratic system of governance.

Other than that what do they have ideologically and morally to offer? Nothing.

So a Muslim asks do I need to convert to atheist to benefit from Capatilism; if that is so then why don't the atheists of elsewhere like Russia benefitted from being atheists.

As far as secular democracy is concernd, it has consequences too, which West has begun to experience. So a Muslim would rather see the example rather than hearing the sermon.

#51 Posted by no-nick-fool,

Haha. Don't get mad. Just tell me, how long can americans remain in Iraq? (or Afghanistan for that matter).

Just give me a timeline. Thanks :)

# various laykinbilkul,

You're a fool so forget it.

#39 Posted by VRV

USA.NET address

USA.NET is (was?) just another web-based email. I had an account on it too.

2. I can agree if Koreans are against US but not Japs. We disagree here.

Aah ... and how about the Chinese? Did you miss them or was it a convenient oversight?

the yanks achieved what they set out to do....tell the numbers they killed and the numbers of theirs killed?

looking at one particular aspect does not tell you much about the whole picture. Generally the muslims (apart from the oily Arabs) are ritually humiliated - remember the body cavity searches you undergo whenever you enter the US.

Calling me names does not change the fact that right NOW the MUSLIMS are the biggest losers in this world. Intellectually backward. Culturally backward. Economically backward. Industrially backward.


Heck they cannot even process their own effing raw material - look at Iran the blighter's cannot even refine their own oil! If that is not humiliation than what is?

A few snake oil salesmen like the Iranian Prez can grand stand - but that does not take away the fact they are backward in all respects without much of a future right now - unless they are prepared to KILL THEIR CHILDREN AND KILL OTHERS.

Perhaps that is what guys like you want.

Zee man, did the americans lose in Iraq? they kind of went in and put a whuppin on the locals and carved up the country in three..sort of taking the fight to the enemy...

I like this conceopt of "muslims never losing"...these types of victories are great.

#42 Posted by no nick fool,

You can go and tell the americans that in Iraq.

Laykin i 'dont believe' Pandas like rest of you just as much as you "believe" in Imam Bukhari .

Laykin the world is global now every where you can 'go' including Jama masjid MathurA Kashi .....

Re: # 44

"It is the muslims who have created this ntion that this is a Clash of Civilisations. "

So says Wafa Sultan - but no muslims wants to listen to her- they prefer to be bewitched by the mullahs cursing her.

Senna, what have you experienced?

#41

Laykin Pandas of Puri, Hardiwar Vrindavan charge much less for there own show and tell

Re: # 6
gill sahib, the muslims have to get over this idea that this is a clash of civilisations. No it is not a clash of civilisations. It is a clash of concepts - the majority of the muslims should wash their hands of the culprits and their methods and treat them as criminals (TAHMED32 says Islam is not about the killing done by the terrorists, hamidm2 says they are criminals) - as basically the majority do not have any truck with these guys (or atleast that is what they say - but do not voice this opinion in public but are silent).

It is the muslims who have created this ntion that this is a Clash of Civilisations. For they were the first who got all excited with this new theory. If only they had treated it as such it would have gone the way of many other such theories. In the islamic mind such (social and historical) theories are taken as factual truths (in science Mathematical theory can be taken as the truth and fact but in liberal art?????) and given the penchant for conspiracy theories these take on a life of their own.

No this is not a clash of civilisations - but a criminal venture thrown upon the civilised world by the terrorists.