Can Religious Leaders Redeem the Future of the World?

#121
Jai shiv Shankar
There two things never say 'never' and 'ALL'.
You may say insignificant % from your point of advantage being physician
But for even the few % it is 100%:)

Re: # 137

GT,

racism is driven by exactly the same instinct as nationalism - a desire by people with small penises to feel big (in more ways than one) ...... it is an instinct that can be exploited by people with even smaller penises to fulfill their lust for power - these people are known as 'leaders' ........ it is the same instinct that makes a puny 125 pound math majhor root for 'his' football team surrounded by frat boys who normally wouldn't give him the time of the day ...

....nationalism and racism is also driven by the desire to eat more meat than the other guy (or dal in the case of hindoos) ...... you can see this behaviour in the hyenas and wolves that hunt in packs in the wild, and the packs of stray dogs that roam the streets at night .......

....personally, i think a small penis is the root cause of both racism and nationalism ...

Racism and nationalism, how are they fundamentaly different?

HP: I agree with Hamidm. There was a study released last year about how the human mind can distinguish individuals belonging to his own group much more easily than those of another group (and thus the "all chinese look alike to me" phenomenon) - we have millions of years of the "herd instinct" that underlies our identification with any group.

Also, I think you are being factually incorrect in saying that there was no resistance to immigration of people now considered "whites" - In the 19th century, there was strong resentment against immigration by Italians, germans, irish and anti-immigrant sentiments were, if anything, stronger than today. It is also incorrect to say that resistance to immigration is based on "race" alone - West Germans viewed with suspicion the influx of East Germans (when visiting Germany back then, the German I was walking down the street with pointed to a sad looking Trabbi (east german automobile) and spoke of the fears of East German hordes coming over to the west.

In the US, given the vast mix of humanity, in fact racial identification is in many ways far less than in any other country I have visited. This is contrary to the party line of the armchair theorists to be found in Pakistan.

#131 Mr. Madani: I dont see how you (who, sitting in Karachi where mqm is based, and supporting a dictator on account of his ethnicity) can point fingers towards others at being racist. Ethnic politics are merely another form of racism.

Re: # 130

hp,

.... i agree with you that even thought there is very little racism at the individual level - except in the trailer parks where masadi spent his time in america - it does exist at the group and institutional level ..... i ascribe it to the innate tribal/mob instinct which brings out the worst in a person ..... it is the same instinct that cause footabll fans to go on a rampage in europe, sunnis to kill shia neighbors in iraq, hindoos to kill muslim neighbors in india, and the ummah to go on the warpath against infidels the world over .......

Re: # 131
Mr madni

Call it what you will, inferiority complex, or just desi mens obsession with blondes, many moons ago me and my cousin Nasser were coming home from work, on our way we saw two blondes heading into town for a night out, so I said to Nasser you know we’ve not had some of that, Nasser replied, it’s our parents they are strict they wouldn’t allow it. There must be a way, we could leave and live in another town, i said. We decided we’d go and live in chester since it has hardly any Asians there, so off to chester we went , we both managed to find work in a plywood factory, come weekend we hit the downtown for the elusive blondes, no luck even after three months of trying, they wouldn’t even give us the time of day.


I gave up trying and would spend weekend evenings in front of tv, but Nasser never gave up, one night lo and behold Nasser walked in with a blonde old enough to be his granny and the size of an elephant, talk about grab a granny, any how the morning after the night before, I asked him how was it like, his reply it was different

Listen to HP and ahmedmadani both have spoken very wisely and do not be misled by the "imitation racism" of the coloreds trying to imitate their white masters by considering others inferior to them- there is a qualitative difference in both...

Re: # 130
Mr. Masadi has correctly said there is racism in usa. I can read from newspapres and readers letters in pakistan.
It is White Supremacy which is too ingrained in white mind to change. This racism kills blacks and dark people of usa and they insult them every day and blacks die every day little inside their mind. This has resulted in great deatjths in black race people. On an average black people die early about 7 years than white counter part. So all americans pay money from salary for govt pension and blacks cheated most as Black man dies 7 years earlier than white so his pension fund is used by white people. If I am black in USA i will start black movemrnt to start preretirement pension ( before retiring for 7 yearsfor dark skinned people with african blood to have equitable retirement. This is biggest race hatred to treat equal when black man is dieing early for 7 years.
Also black people you are not treated equally medically resulting obesity, diabeis, depression, high blood pressue as doctors are not giving proper medicine or advice. White racist doctors instead of advicing blacks to make exercise or eat less, vegetable, avoiding read meat advices blacks to eat just two fatty sandwitches and couteract drink large sodas full of sugar are killing them . And doctors want black sick so they can "treat" and make more money. Also american industry produce 4000 calories per man so aetra calaries they make are forced on black on and subsidide food for black people so money goes to drinks damaging health.
Also white man discards fat women from that group and blacks and are forced to marry them. They are so inslaved for long time they feel even just white chamadi is great so they happily marry such women and that leads adding more fats in incoming generation. White man has enslaved all world with color supremacy that they have brain washed all black and browed skinned people. So brown and dark person marries even buffollow if buffollow is white cream colored.
Before in Des land ther was all types of color but people were color blind and white women in des use to marry any colored people. But after britsh came india all obsession with white color started. Old times before english came people use to like brown beautiful skin than colorless white skin. No people are skinning themselves hoping to get white color its british reacism started all foundation, complexion etc. In old times dark skin was just fine. Now old times people wanted white child and fairer skin was valued as actors and actress but there was no racism just discretion for white skin but no racism. Now racism is deep inside our people that can not go. Like des man will marry happily christian anglo overweight and no eduvcated woman but will run away from black women who is even doctor or muslim also. Everybody knows all even kafir gods were dark, or even Profet ( PBuh) and Jesus both were african race and dark as rats . People should read honorable black american seperatist leader Honarable Eliha Mohammad. It is generaly observed dark colored may look nor so goos but at heart minds blacks to superior to white people. ( hum hay kale fir bhi Dilwale). Problem is institioned racism started by westen elites and now spread to des elites. Mr. Rajiv and imran are both victicms of that syndrome. If both had married say both doctors from africa people would have hated just for color. This disease stared by white western elites has broken good relations between dark and semi dark people of desh and racism is counsuming south asia.
Any way discard color preference.
good day

On individual or on personal level you rarely find whites in the US, racist. Those who are racists, are not part of the same class that people on this site belong. Often some of us base our judgment on individual experiences and that is not good enough to refute what Asadi is saying.

There are plenty of instances of racism in politics and there are plenty of evidence of Whites putting down other cultures because those cultures are alien to them or/and non white. This is different than asian or Indian racism.

The Iraq war and what happened there and in Afghanistan clearly show deep rooted racism in the white US society.

The brouhaha on immigration is clearly based on racism. Go read any right wing blog and every discussion about immigration. In the end, it is about the race and not about the issues that come with uncontrolled immigration.

Here is an example of what i was talking about http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/indvaus/content/current/story/315911.html

When it comes to racism Asians (from middle east to Japan) are no less racist than the White/European Americans. We all know how the people from India, Pakistan, Sri Lanka and Philippines are treated in middle east. Most Desi's address African Americans as Kallus and in other derogatory terms. Chinese and Japanese are also no less when it comes to their treatment of people of other colors and nationalities.

Most Desi's have different standards for racism, and expect better behavior from the white folks than from themselves.

I am afraid masadi might have a point if one of the great scientist thinks thinks blacks are inferior, it begs the question what about ordinary whites.

One of the world’s most respected scientists is embroiled in an extraordinary row after claiming that black people are less intelligent than white people.
James Watson, a Nobel Prize winner for his part in discovering the structure of DNA, has provoked outrage with his comments, made ahead of his arrival in Britain today.
More fierce criticism of the eminent scientist is expected as he embarks on a number of engagements to promote a new book ‘Avoid Boring People: Lessons from a Life in Science’. Among his first commitments is a speech to a London audience at the Science Museum on Friday. The event is sold out.
Dr Watson, who runs one of America’s leading scientific research institutions, made the controversial remarks in an interview in The Sunday Times.
The 79-year-old geneticist said he was “inherently gloomy about the prospect of Africa” because “all our social policies are based on the fact that their intelligence is the same as ours - whereas all the testing says not really.". He said he hoped that everyone was equal, but countered that “people who have to deal with black employees find this not true”.
He says that you should not discriminate on the basis of colour, because “there are many people of colour who are very talented, but don’t promote them when they haven’t succeeded at the lower level”. He writes that “there is no firm reason to anticipate that the intellectual capacities of peoples geographically separated in their evolution should prove to have evolved identically. Our wanting to reserve equal powers of reason as some universal heritage of humanity will not be enough to make it so”.
He claimed genes responsible for creating differences in human intelligence could be found within a decade.
The newly formed Equality and Human Rights Commission is studying Dr Watson’s remarks “in full”.
Keith Vaz, the Labour chairman of the Home Affairs Select Committee, said today: “It is sad to see a scientist of such achievement making such baseless, unscientific and extremely offensive comments.
“I am sure the scientific community will roundly reject what appear to be Dr Watson’s personal prejudices. These comments serve as a reminder of the attitudes which can still exist at the highest professional levels.”
Dr Watson was hailed as achieving one of the greatest single scientific breakthroughs of the 20th century when he worked at the University of Cambridge in the 1950s and 1960s, forming part of the team which discovered the structure of DNA.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article2677098.ece?token=null&off set=0
He shared the 1962 Nobel Prize for medicine with his British colleague Francis Crick and New Zealand-born Maurice Wilkins.

Re: # 118

Massaddi Mian:

"masadi: The white man considers people of color inferior..."

Just as you make such racist comments out of your ignorance, many people of other races have prejudices - including racism - based on their ignorance.

You show your extreme intolerance to others view points. Such intolerance leads even more complex personality, which rarely can succeed.

masadi: listen to shankar. he is a psychiatrist. and his prescription for you is: So,once in a while when you fart, try blaming someone other than the US for giving you gas. (Do this three times a day, once after each meal).

Now - turks are mobilizing to attack the kurds... aren't they all muslims?... what the eff*** is wrong with these people?... it's driving oil prices crazy...

You know - the only solution I think will work is to sedate these people en-masse. May be we can build a bunch of MOABs and daisy-cutters filled with valium and blast them all over bedouin lands every 3 months... that should cool down these freaks and oil prices... :)