Can Religious Leaders Redeem the Future of the World?

Here is an example of what i was talking about http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/indvaus/content/current/story/315911.html

On individual or on personal level you rarely find whites in the US, racist. Those who are racists, are not part of the same class that people on this site belong. Often some of us base our judgment on individual experiences and that is not good enough to refute what Asadi is saying.

There are plenty of instances of racism in politics and there are plenty of evidence of Whites putting down other cultures because those cultures are alien to them or/and non white. This is different than asian or Indian racism.

The Iraq war and what happened there and in Afghanistan clearly show deep rooted racism in the white US society.

The brouhaha on immigration is clearly based on racism. Go read any right wing blog and every discussion about immigration. In the end, it is about the race and not about the issues that come with uncontrolled immigration.

Re: # 130
Mr. Masadi has correctly said there is racism in usa. I can read from newspapres and readers letters in pakistan.
It is White Supremacy which is too ingrained in white mind to change. This racism kills blacks and dark people of usa and they insult them every day and blacks die every day little inside their mind. This has resulted in great deatjths in black race people. On an average black people die early about 7 years than white counter part. So all americans pay money from salary for govt pension and blacks cheated most as Black man dies 7 years earlier than white so his pension fund is used by white people. If I am black in USA i will start black movemrnt to start preretirement pension ( before retiring for 7 yearsfor dark skinned people with african blood to have equitable retirement. This is biggest race hatred to treat equal when black man is dieing early for 7 years.
Also black people you are not treated equally medically resulting obesity, diabeis, depression, high blood pressue as doctors are not giving proper medicine or advice. White racist doctors instead of advicing blacks to make exercise or eat less, vegetable, avoiding read meat advices blacks to eat just two fatty sandwitches and couteract drink large sodas full of sugar are killing them . And doctors want black sick so they can "treat" and make more money. Also american industry produce 4000 calories per man so aetra calaries they make are forced on black on and subsidide food for black people so money goes to drinks damaging health.
Also white man discards fat women from that group and blacks and are forced to marry them. They are so inslaved for long time they feel even just white chamadi is great so they happily marry such women and that leads adding more fats in incoming generation. White man has enslaved all world with color supremacy that they have brain washed all black and browed skinned people. So brown and dark person marries even buffollow if buffollow is white cream colored.
Before in Des land ther was all types of color but people were color blind and white women in des use to marry any colored people. But after britsh came india all obsession with white color started. Old times before english came people use to like brown beautiful skin than colorless white skin. No people are skinning themselves hoping to get white color its british reacism started all foundation, complexion etc. In old times dark skin was just fine. Now old times people wanted white child and fairer skin was valued as actors and actress but there was no racism just discretion for white skin but no racism. Now racism is deep inside our people that can not go. Like des man will marry happily christian anglo overweight and no eduvcated woman but will run away from black women who is even doctor or muslim also. Everybody knows all even kafir gods were dark, or even Profet ( PBuh) and Jesus both were african race and dark as rats . People should read honorable black american seperatist leader Honarable Eliha Mohammad. It is generaly observed dark colored may look nor so goos but at heart minds blacks to superior to white people. ( hum hay kale fir bhi Dilwale). Problem is institioned racism started by westen elites and now spread to des elites. Mr. Rajiv and imran are both victicms of that syndrome. If both had married say both doctors from africa people would have hated just for color. This disease stared by white western elites has broken good relations between dark and semi dark people of desh and racism is counsuming south asia.
Any way discard color preference.
good day

Listen to HP and ahmedmadani both have spoken very wisely and do not be misled by the "imitation racism" of the coloreds trying to imitate their white masters by considering others inferior to them- there is a qualitative difference in both...

Re: # 131
Mr madni

Call it what you will, inferiority complex, or just desi mens obsession with blondes, many moons ago me and my cousin Nasser were coming home from work, on our way we saw two blondes heading into town for a night out, so I said to Nasser you know we’ve not had some of that, Nasser replied, it’s our parents they are strict they wouldn’t allow it. There must be a way, we could leave and live in another town, i said. We decided we’d go and live in chester since it has hardly any Asians there, so off to chester we went , we both managed to find work in a plywood factory, come weekend we hit the downtown for the elusive blondes, no luck even after three months of trying, they wouldn’t even give us the time of day.


I gave up trying and would spend weekend evenings in front of tv, but Nasser never gave up, one night lo and behold Nasser walked in with a blonde old enough to be his granny and the size of an elephant, talk about grab a granny, any how the morning after the night before, I asked him how was it like, his reply it was different

Re: # 130

hp,

.... i agree with you that even thought there is very little racism at the individual level - except in the trailer parks where masadi spent his time in america - it does exist at the group and institutional level ..... i ascribe it to the innate tribal/mob instinct which brings out the worst in a person ..... it is the same instinct that cause footabll fans to go on a rampage in europe, sunnis to kill shia neighbors in iraq, hindoos to kill muslim neighbors in india, and the ummah to go on the warpath against infidels the world over .......

#131 Mr. Madani: I dont see how you (who, sitting in Karachi where mqm is based, and supporting a dictator on account of his ethnicity) can point fingers towards others at being racist. Ethnic politics are merely another form of racism.

HP: I agree with Hamidm. There was a study released last year about how the human mind can distinguish individuals belonging to his own group much more easily than those of another group (and thus the "all chinese look alike to me" phenomenon) - we have millions of years of the "herd instinct" that underlies our identification with any group.

Also, I think you are being factually incorrect in saying that there was no resistance to immigration of people now considered "whites" - In the 19th century, there was strong resentment against immigration by Italians, germans, irish and anti-immigrant sentiments were, if anything, stronger than today. It is also incorrect to say that resistance to immigration is based on "race" alone - West Germans viewed with suspicion the influx of East Germans (when visiting Germany back then, the German I was walking down the street with pointed to a sad looking Trabbi (east german automobile) and spoke of the fears of East German hordes coming over to the west.

In the US, given the vast mix of humanity, in fact racial identification is in many ways far less than in any other country I have visited. This is contrary to the party line of the armchair theorists to be found in Pakistan.

Racism and nationalism, how are they fundamentaly different?

Re: # 137

GT,

racism is driven by exactly the same instinct as nationalism - a desire by people with small penises to feel big (in more ways than one) ...... it is an instinct that can be exploited by people with even smaller penises to fulfill their lust for power - these people are known as 'leaders' ........ it is the same instinct that makes a puny 125 pound math majhor root for 'his' football team surrounded by frat boys who normally wouldn't give him the time of the day ...

....nationalism and racism is also driven by the desire to eat more meat than the other guy (or dal in the case of hindoos) ...... you can see this behaviour in the hyenas and wolves that hunt in packs in the wild, and the packs of stray dogs that roam the streets at night .......

....personally, i think a small penis is the root cause of both racism and nationalism ...

#121
Jai shiv Shankar
There two things never say 'never' and 'ALL'.
You may say insignificant % from your point of advantage being physician
But for even the few % it is 100%:)

Re: # 137
For what ever reason nationalism is come to be accepted as term ...National (BNP)party .When nationalism interacts with another and HURTS it. it is rascism.Thats why rascism is Bad nationalism is o.k.

#138 Posted by hamidm2 on October 18, 2007 7:31:39 am

..racism is driven by exactly the same instinct as nationalism - a desire by people with small penises to feel big...

Hamid,

The length of penis is not an indicator of superiority. If that were the case then donkeys had bigger willies. That doesnt make donkies superior to Pakistanis.

As per God's assessment, the length complements the depth of the conjugal partner(s).

Re: # 136
tahmed
Prejudice between different groups of same race is of a totally different nature, than prejudice against people of colour.

As we have seen in the USA within couple of generations Italians, jews, irish etc have assimilated into the WASP mainstream, the blacks haven’t even though they have been there for generations.

Recently I watched a movie “ THE GOOD SHEPHERD “

Here is a dialogue from it at one time the WASPS thought they owned the USA.

between a Mafia don and an impeccably WASPish CIA operative. “We Italians, we have the church and our family. The Irish have their homeland. The Jews have their traditions. Even the niggers, they've got their music. What do you people have?”
The CIA man replies, with all of the force of Yale and its most revered secret society, Skull and Bones. “The United States of America. The rest of you are just visiting.”

Re: # 127

Aslam you are quoting AFRICAN as being same as Black Americans.Black American or African American has been here for hundreds of years but only in the last century as late as 60s never had ENVIROMENTAL change to compete as by affirmative Action.
Since then genetic diffeences both good and bad have been diluted or neutralised .Look at the land mark achievement in education of Black american that
even the descendent of White Moghuls rulers of Pakistan stand up like sheep when Condi Rice shows up as Head Mistress.Not to speak of All white Arabs




Land marks of Black Americans Educational Achievements




1837
Institute for Colored Youth founded by Richard Humphreys; later became Cheyney University.
1854
Ashmun Institute, the first school of higher learning for young black men, founded by John Miller Dickey and his wife, Sarah Emlen Cresson; later (1866) renamed Lincoln University (Pa.) after President Abraham Lincoln.
1856
Wilberforce University, the first black school of higher learning owned and operated by African Americans, founded by the African Methodist Episcopal Church. Its president, Daniel A. Payne, became the first African American Uniiversity president in the country.
1869
Howard University's law school becomes the country's first black law school.
1876
Meharry Medical College, the first black medical school in the U.S., founded by the Freedman's Aid Society of the Methodist Episcopal Church.
1881
Spelman College, the first college for black women in the U.S., founded by Sophia B. Packard and Harriet E. Giles.
1881
Booker T. Washington founds the Tuskegee Normal and Industrial Institute in Alabama. The school became one of the leading schools of higher learning for African Americans, and stressed the practical application of knowledge. In 1896, George Washington Carver began teaching there as director of the department of agricultural research, gaining an international reputation for his agricultural advances.
1922
William Leo Hansberry teaches the first course in African civilization at an American university, at Howard University.
1944
Frederick Douglass Patterson establishes the United Negro College Fund to help support black colleges and black students.
1954
In the landmark case Brown v. Board of Education of Topeka, Kans., the Supreme Court rules unanimously that segregation in public schools in unconstitutional.
1957
President Dwight D. Eisenhower sends federal troops to ensure integration of the all-white Central High School in Little Rock, Ark. The Little Rock Nine were the first black students to attend the school.
1960
Black and white students form the Student Nonviolent Coordinating Committee (SNCC), dedicated to working against segregation and discrimination.
1962
James Meredith is the first black student to enroll at the University of Mississippi; on the day he enters the university, he is escorted by U.S. marshals.
1963
Despite Governor George Wallace physically blocking their way, Vivian Malone and James Hood register for classes at the University of Alabama.
1968
San Francisco State University becomes the first four-year college to establish a black studies department.
1969
The Ford Foundation gives $1 million to Morgan State University, Howard University, and Yale University to help prepare faculty members to teach courses in African American studies.
2003
In Grutter v. Bollinger, the Supreme Court (5-4) upholds the University of Michigan Law School's affirmative action policy, ruling that race can be one of many factors considered by colleges when selecting their students because it furthers “a compelling interest in obtaining the educational benefits that flow from a diverse student body.”

re: aslam644 # 142

Do you remember the dialogue between Matt Damon's character and the Russian in a Berlin church in post-war Germany?

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