Can Religious Leaders Redeem the Future of the World?

hamidm: "dhimmis" were not slaves, nor even second class citizens for all practical purposes, in any of the vast muslim areas through the centuries.

Re: # 161

The first place for a 'moderate' muslim to begin healing the disease of mullah Islam is through acknowledge of the facts that hamidm talks about.
Muslims can become 'moderate' by using their wisdom but the mullah Islam can never and it has to be changed if 'moderate' muslims are to continue refering their identity to some 'Islam'.

Re: # 132 Thanks mr. Masadi for agreeing with me about western brainwashing done by british elites about color complexion in desh. I will request you to contribute all you can but just refrain from personal attacks or individuals quarrelling.Have good day.
Today is very sad day but luckly Mrs Bhutto is survived is only good thing. Terrorist I feel are some foreign interest funded is my feeling from some adjucent countries and I exclude Iran and China as these are brother countries. It can be work of A.Stan intelligence branch or some "RAW" dealing people.
I hope now forgivance is given to BB and NS and President for their corrouption and "tughi" things hope same things will be applied to MQM people who as wrongly subjected to fabricated charges. GOP should invite A.H. also from England to have level field to MQM.b No already PPP has started blaming MQM for some bad actions this is sad. As MQM allowed so she was able to land and her followeres allowed to gather. MQM wants to cooperaste with all for democracy other side they could have declared "karachi Decree" just stopped arrival of EX PM. Hope people understand geeriosity of MQM HQ. MQM is not recist as they quite dark than natives and oppressed by few supremists so oppressor can not be recist. MQM has muslims of indian origin from all languages but they use urdu for national integration. PLEASE MR.T do not try to blame MQM for recism in land.

Re: # 130 Posted by HP on October 17, 2007 8:43:54 pm

[The brouhaha on immigration is clearly based on racism.] This is clearly not true. The Anglo-Saxon culture of North America is predominantly of puritan protestant Christian faith, whilst Mexican illegals have brought catholic religion into the US. That is where the immigration argument is.

Re: # 164
This article is not related to pakistan seems more whitenations related. Pakistan has no problem with christians. But there is clsh of 60 years going between Indian cultural( Hindian) ethos and pakistani( Muslim) ethos that is civilisation clash relevaent to des.But this is not new clash. This problem they bring and discuss west and east clash but indian/ pakistani clash is real thing, christian west is just repeation of old things. This is reason my intelluctual and little some times angry friend Mr.Masadi is saying for some time, but most are wrining wrong things at wrong time and wrong place. bye

Re: # 161

tahmed,

.... so i gather that you would be happy to pay a special tax if your kids were exempted from the draft ? .... how about not being able to run for president of the us ? .... at this rate i am sure you also wouldn't mind wearing a green tie to identify you as a muslim ?

....... when people like you push the notion that islam is perfect (or at least better than sliced bread) it echoes the extremist point of view ...... as long as muslims actually believe that their religion is perfect and that everyone else is bound for hell, we cannot have peace on earth ...... sometimes you remind me of dr israr ........

Re: # 163

madani sahib,

......... i think it is time for ppp and mqm to put aside their differences and form a common front against the islamists which will soon include pml(n&q), mma and imran khan ..... they should also try to get anp and the baluch nationalist parties on board ....... the line between the islamists and the civilized people is being drawn and it will be a long and tough fight .......

Read about one Nobel Laureate Watson's comments on black people's intelligence. Another Nobel Laureate William Shockley too had come to similar conclusions. Monkey chatting crowds in Bardoa, Karachi, Madrid and quite a few European cities. Senor Aragones, the coach of the Spanish team calling Thierry Henry black sh*t.

It seems that the followers of the Hindu racist, casteist, fascist, misogynist, bigoted freak are spread all over the globe.

Regards

tahmed writes "You can refute my above charge by cutting and pasting anything I have ever written in the past 7 years on chowk to support your claim. "

I have done just that copy pasting many times and every time you, like a man of weak morals, put your tail between your legs and whimper away. The article that you wrote in support of the US invasion of Iraq, in that you sung the praises of British colonization- what you called the Anglo Saxon ethos in your support of colonization and the neo-colonization of the Americans, and you don't praise something compared to the other (in this case the local scene) unless you consider it superior. Now, I know that you possess the intellect of a five year old which goes to the extent of cheerleading for the US elite and colonization.

Here is an exact quote from your article:

QUOTE :c. India: The Jewel in the Crown of the British Empire. The UK (coalition partner of the US) left India a democratic country with secular principles. An Indonesian friend of mine bemoaned the fact that they were ruled by the wrong country and not by the UK, and thus failed to inherit strong democratic traditions after independence. END QUOTE ( from tahmed article "Open Letter to those Opposing the Iraq War, http://www.chowk.com/articles/6036)

Now we all know who the liar and hypocrite is, and it is you Tauheed Ahmed, peon of the West.

Masadi sahib,

(An Indonesian friend of mine bemoaned the fact that they were ruled by the wrong country and not by the UK, and thus failed to inherit strong democratic traditions after independence. )

Tahmed sahib seems to be reporting what his Indonesian friend had commented on. Does he say that he believes in what his friend says?

Regards

masadi: this is your statement that i had said was a lie and challenged you to cut and paste anything I had written to back it: People like tahmed support the colonization of our people by those he considers "superior"

This is the best you could come up with from the thousands of posts I have written on chowk: "The UK (coalition partner of the US) left India a democratic country with secular principles. An Indonesian friend of mine bemoaned the fact that they were ruled by the wrong country and not by the UK, and thus failed to inherit strong democratic traditions after independence."

Where above does it say above that I support the "support the colonization of our people "? And where does it say above that i consider the brits to be "superior"?

You remain a liar.

hamidm: I can understand your anger at the murder of over a hundred people in a peaceful crowd yesterday. But dont take it out on me or on Islam. I am being factual when I say that muslim societies in history have in fact been quite tolerant of minorities (e.g. after the fall of muslim rule in Spain, thousands of spanish jews chose to migrate to ottoman turkey rather than stay in spain or go to any other european country).

The seeds for terrorism in Pakistan were sown by zia, and the crop tenderly cared for by musharraf as part of his policy of presenting his dictatorship as being the only option to takeover by extremists. You are merely projecting your distaste for the "islamic culture" inflicted upon you as a child to ignore this simple fact and join hindu and christian religious fanatics in demonizing islam.

Tahmed writes "Where above does it say above that I support the "support the colonization of our people "? And where does it say above that i consider the brits to be "superior"?

You remain a liar. "

Only a half brain retard, after reading your article, will conclude otherwise. Your entire article as well as that quote where you present as PROOF the fact that your indonesian friend was bemoaning that the Dutch instead of the British colonized them otherwise they would be better, tells the reader that you supported the British colonization of India when you present the positives of that colonization. You are the liar and when caught with your pants down and exposed, you put your tail between your legs and whimper away like a person with extremely weak and shallow morals...

majumdar writes "Tahmed sahib seems to be reporting what his Indonesian friend had commented on. Does he say that he believes in what his friend says?"

You happen to be the half brained retard that I was referring to in the previous post. Read that comment in the context of the POSITIVES he is presenting of the tradition of US/UK colonization and the war on Iraq. Have you bothered to read the article where he is listing the positives of colonizaton and US/UK domination as he builds his case for the Iraq war.

Even though it is extremely clear from the posts of tahmed and the points of views he supports that he i) supports the British colonization of India and ii) Considers them and what he describes as the Anglo Saxon Ethos "superior" to that of our people, let me give him a chance to prove that I am the liar as he says.

Let him explicitly state here that he i) Condemns the colonization of India by the British and ii) that Anglo Saxon Ethos and the British tradition in our lands is absolutely not superior to anything indigeneous.

Let him state this explicitly, he will not because HE is the lying hypocrite

Re: # 174

masadi,

... you ingrate! ....... if it hadn't been for colonization you would have been running around naked chasing your dinner ! ......