Of Carnage and Triumph

.....one has to be amazed at the forgiving nature of pakistanis, on this site.....benazir has thoroughly destroyed pakistan; not once, but twice.....the corruption cases against her are so long and wide that the swiss and spanish judiciary will be in shock when they are withdrawn......

.......as for her democratic credentials - she is the lifetime chairperson of her political party, and makes all policies single-handedly......

......i suppose all it takes is to make a few noises against mullahs and one becomes kosher again......that has to be the height of fanaticism......even maulvis don't follow their leaders so fanatically......

.......there are plenty of people in ppp who can lead it.....far better than bb......however, they will never get the chance, as long as there are pakistanis who are ready to forgive every sin of bb.......

.......but as they say, be careful what you wish for; just take a look at the category of individuals who are her key advisors - just take a look at who was on the truck with her, i.e. her top leadership:

it was benazir (a huge feudal), amin fahim (a feudal and a big heridatory pir, who has four sisters married to the quran), shah mehmood qureshi (another pir from the bahauddin zakaria clan? of south punjab), abida hussein (a pir, along with her husband and feudal, who was in pml(q) and recently joined ppp, when she lost the election to her nephew, faisal saleh - interestingly faisal quit the ppp and joined pml(q), after winning the election!!), yusuf raza gilan (pir of south punjab of gilani clan)......

out of all the of the above, only gilani is a credible person.....he has given up his piri-faqiri and lives in lahore......he was sent to jail for four and a half years, on false charges, by musharraf.....i am quite sure, he must be extremely unhappy over the current deal of bb-musharraf....

.....this is the top ppp leadership......useless pirs and feudals.......if anyone hasn't seen these pirs in operation, i suggest you do so.......they make the village mullah look like a saint.....these pirs have tens of thousands of disciples in their constituencies, who do all kinds of strange things.....they consider these pirs to be the descendents of prophet muhammad.......their disciples rub the dirt these guys walk on, on their bodies....they touch their feet.......they even give away their lands to them......it is quite pathetic.......these guys in turn use this.......they never work their whole life, and just enjoy themselves in politics......

.......ppp has a much better leadership available........people like aitezaz ahsan......these are the guys who will come to the top, if bb goes.......

unfortunately, pakistanis seem hell-bent on putting themselves through the same torture.......so if and when bb comes back, we have no one to blame but ourselves (specially the educated crowd).....rest assured her and her husband will, once again, be the bonnie and clyde of pakistan......

after which there will be another martial law......which will be welcomed by the people, and the cycle will continue.....bb has had her two chances.....time for someone else........anyone else......

i wish Benazir had been killed in this attack. Untill she is alive there is a chance of pakistani people being ruled by a woman once again.what a great shame.chee chee....

(untill she is alive...i support 8th ammendment and the president's right to dissolve assemblies....at least he would be 'one degree over the Prime Minister'.

here is another comment -

"I think the bomb was planted by Bhutto`s own people,she must have known,its a great plan! To make her get more support,to make Musharaf look bad&leave athird finger pointing anywhere,from islamists to Talibanis or even Kashmiri`s.What a plan?

ali mustafa, hamar, Norway "

Re: # 18

bjkumar,

Totally agree with your assessment with one exception, BB has yet to prove her democratic credentials through party and state politics. Having said that, please accept my thanks for putting things in perspective.

Here is what a Paki said :

"If Benazir had a warning of these attacks (as she is claiming she had), why she did not delayed her arrival to Pakistan ? Why she did not take the option to fly to the venu on Helicopter when she was offered that? and why did she ignored the request by official to move her convoy faster?. Just because she wanted a huge welcome rally, she made so many people lost their lives. If she was sincere to her followers, she would have done anything to save their lives not putting them in dander.

Rehan Khan, NY, USA "

This what a european guy said:

"Condemning Benazir Bhutto for the fact that someone else sanctioned the murder of scores of civilians, in an attempt to kill her, is the logic of fools.

Andrew Sz, Budapest "

Indeed , Paki Islam is supreme!!

In #28 read "information about the so-called threats to her were well publicized and then the even occured on target and on time.."

as

information about the so-called threats to her were well publicized and then the event occured on target and on time

It is no wonder that tahmed would default to the offical American position of supporting BB, is there any surprise, and that he would talk the "democracy" talk when decisions about the BB and Musharraf have been already made in the corridors of power to the exclusion of the people of Pakistan? Not to mention the unnecessary carnage of the people of Pakistan in the rally by just these power brokers designed to build this legitimacy, information about the so-called threats to her were well publicized and then the even occured on target and on time- a thorough and complete inside job, once again butchering the people of Pakistan for the sake of the Americans and their occupation force (the Pak Army). What is most outrageous in this peon of the West (tahmed's) comments is that he compares the miserable BB, the corrupt, anti-people, dealer with the military and the Americans to the "finest hour" of ZAB, the friend of the people and the only true leader we have had...

I went to the BBC and found a lot of PAkistanis and muslims blaming BB for what happened- it is like the "uncovered meat" analogy of the mullahs that seeks to blame the victims for their assault!!!

No wonder, Pakistani mullah Islam is the most wonderful ideology of the world!!

Allah hu!!

Re: # 18

Very interesting observation.

BB is for the time being the best bet against the mullah take over of Paki land. She has also been forth right in stating her opposition to the mullahs turning jehadism into a big money spinning mafiaso business.

We all support her because the mullah Islam is the defacto fascistic ideology of the century that all the non muslims have to confront!!!

Re: # 21 I think both of you have become EMOTIONAL. Good speech is worth nothing when not enforced by good deeds. Why people should follow BB or general as they are not doing good deeds and moral actions. What was use of big lecture by Bhutto senior after loosing E.Pakistan , it did not come by his lecture.
I think both you are in state of ditributing seets when general became overlord of Land. Mr. Hamid is sane man as he said after few days all magic you are feeling will be gone. Both are not talking about real thing Kashmir. I can understand army does not want to talk. I have sympathy and understanding for them . They become cynical or pragmatic about K war. What poor farm land from some martial district can expect from war ? He hopes just he will back in one peace back he does not get glory. But leaders have to force reluctant this peasant army young man to inspire for war and win. I feel not Kashimiri people are orphoned there is not even talking support. This K is centralised problem and no body is saying any thing and india appeasement on full scale and uneven balancre of trade is going on. Only dark people of South africa has shown some back bone by deciding to play matches, thanks mr. Mandela. This is going to great matches , Peoples games. I wonder Mr. Masadi is "banned" by some selfinterested people. I did not see him contribting . may usual trick of banning him.

Re: # 13 Romair has correctly stated we are getting some money from American elites but money is not free as country is burning at both ends slowly. But we are not helpless victim in crime. We are paid in foreign currency and armt. No body give F-16 just for getting money. Money is chain used by western elites to rope country and line as junior partner and lauching pad for west elites war on terror which is war on Muslims in reality. As all people know we are being paid money to shed muslim blood and paid in blood money. This is tainted money. Its like cat he sees butter but not trap. Once you take bribe to shed innocent muslim blood you are trapped by elites and there is no escape. So no democracy. We will not get peace till war on terror stops. I ahve agreed with analysis by Masadi and Romair. I like their straight forward think, there is no intelluctual paralysis by too much analysis. Some people analyse too much and miss points. Good day bye

RE: #8 hamidm2

I cannot afford the Blue but some fine California Merlot

the next time you are in California...

I never thought that I'd see the day BUT:

tahmed32 #19 # 21 AMEEN !!!!


RE: bjkumar Bhayya #18

I could not have said it better...

Ras

Ras

#20 bjkumar: Too early to tell, but signs are hopeful. Musharraf knows that he needs to broaden his political base if he is to have any chance of survival. BB made a great speech today, reminded me of her father's finest hour (after the fall of dhaka, when he did a great job of lifting the spirits of a beaten nation).

#19 Tahmed32

I agree. The BeeB is a more mature politician now. One hopes that she will no more play a kathputli role in the hands of the khakis.

#18 bjkumar: I was never a fan of BB - until today!! She has put her neck on the line for the cause of democracy, as yesterday's terrible events showed. She truly shone today, as she made a passionate speech calling for giving power back to its rightful owners, namely the people of Pakistan. May God protect her, and may she indeed prove to have turned into a new leaf and help restore democracy in Pakistan.