Of Carnage and Triumph

Re: # 112 naqsh

What are you going to do when you meet in real life? Blow yourself up to kill the kafir who insulted your bedouin god?

tahmad #:"hamidm is also jealous of your high-powered contacts!....you are right as always. hamidm is only jealous of your vast knowledge and incredible mind!!"

...don't hate me because i am beautiful.......

....i have neither high-powered contacts, nor an incredible mind.....however, if you want to attribute these qualities to me, that is your perrogative.....

.....now, in comparison to hamidm mian, the above may be true......but enganging in a debate with hamidm mian and proving one's point, is like defeating kenya or zimbabwe in a test match......i.e. it does not require a brilliant mind.......anyone can do it.......

Re: # 105

i hope one day we meet in real life that's all you hindu piss drinker.

to add to #110: hamidm is also jealous of your high-powered contacts!!

#109 bulleya: you are right as always. hamidm is only jealous of your vast knowledge and incredible mind!!

hamidm mian#: "..... mian muhammad sharif and his five or six brothers were big industrialists in amritsar before they came to lahore ....... ever heard of ittefaq foundaries ?"

yes they were.......however, how did they get there......where did they start from?.....please do some research and let us know.......you will discover that it was a rags to riches story.....nawaz sharif's father and his six uncles started from rags and built it into riches.....

all the people i have mentioned (other than altaf hussain), were quite well off, some very rich like nawaz sharif, but their families started from a very middle class or poor background.....including abbaji......which is my point......

bjkumar #: "Yaar, you forgot a few. Let me supply......"

i agree with the points you made regarding pakistan and the army's involvment.......

cannot agree with your points regarding india, until proof is provided......

at the moment this discussion is only regarding pakistani politics.......the reformation of the army and relations with india is a much more complex topic.....

in regards to relations with india, there is a long list of complaints that pakistan has against india as well......i think both sides need to address each others' complaints......not just pakistan.......

laddu#: "Most of the democracies have 'political families....I do not understand how being ZAB's daughter becomes a dis-qualification for contesting a fair election."

this is correct.....however, these families come through a process.....hillary clinton, to become president, has to go through a very strict primary election process....both within her party and within usa.....and then she has to compete in an even more rigorous national election.....

.....in pakistan's rural areas, the second generation of the family gets elected without such rigours......the feudals and pirs own their voters......benazir could nominate her pet dog and it will get elected....i am not joking.....hillary could not do so.....

now in more urban areas, like lahore, things are different....nawaz sharif's son will automatically get elected.......but not his pet dog......

"Corruption is only an excuse for the army to take over the country. In doing so they destroyed every democratic institution in Pakistan."

......i agree......in fact, now that i have a better understanding of pakistan, having spent six months there, and having had a chance to interact with individuals i would not have had access to fifteen years ago, i think the high command of the army may be the most corrupt group....they have actually legalised corruption......all politicians etc. do pay for their corruption......zardari was in jail, benazir and nawaz in exile......however, it is interesting that not one general has been convicted of any crime and been put in a real jail.....

the ex-naval chief was convicted......however, musharraf placed him in a rest house, not in jail........while ppp's ex finance minister (naveed qamar) and speaker (yusuf gilani) were in a real jail for years, without being convicted......as was the head of pml....javed hashmi......

"I don't get what makes them so interested in lording over Pakistanis,..."

Hey, this is your Pak Studies and your history books that is speaking. If we wanted to we would have finished you off in 1971. But as you - 'Allah is merciful'.
We are not interested in anything to do with you . We do not mind if you belch allahu a thousand times a day or band your haed 50 times a day .
Just do not think about hurting any of the idolators or thinking that we would live in your Shariah land as your zimmi slaves.
Just keep of Mr. momeen troll.

" advising them to do this or that."
Hey, you can keep on blowing yourself or flogging each other for not being momeen enough. No problems.Go ahead!! But, Just do not think of sending jehadis to our land or killing hindu idolators.
We are only interested to the extent that is necessary to be prepared for selfdefence against the evil of Islam that is being nurtured in Pakistan against non muslims and hindu idolators.

say this publically-

" I declare that Allah is not the God but an evil Satanic deity. Mohammad is not a prophet but a charlatan and a rapist, pedophile bandit."

Re: # 103
"Heck, even after spending all my life with these Hindus I don't get what makes them so interested in lording over Pakistanis, advising them to do this or that. :("

Kaal you are clearly a momeen troll.

Can you negate the kalima publically in order to prove that you are a hindu idolator??

bori bhai, you won't get this Hindu man, beej. Heck, even after spending all my life with these Hindus I don't get what makes them so interested in lording over Pakistanis, advising them to do this or that. :(

Bjkumar what kind of hindu duplicity is this; for your own criminals and genociders you say:

"nobody in India denies that these individuals live in India. In fact, they live there openly!"

for us you say we should punish them incuding those who have deposed despots' but have commited no crime against humanity as have your hindu modis and thakray

no wonder hindus are famed for their duplicity even by the former british officials in India

#100 Express

Don't go wishy-washy on me. Answer the rest of the questions which the Bulleya is too chicken to answer!

(From #89)

- the army chiefs and all their key leaders admit their crimes of subverting the constitution. They accept the applicable prison terms awarded by the courts in order to prove that they indeed are capable of accepting responsibility......

- the armed forces modify their structures so the power will never be centralized and there never will be a coup ever again. They accept the supremacy of civilian institutions forever......

- the armed forces release the Hamidur Rahman report in its entirety, and hold the guilty parties (whoever those be) accountable for their criminal acts and tender an unqualified apology to the country of Bangladesh for the unspeakable atrocities of 1971 and compensate the victims or their descendants.......

- the armed forces publish openly and punish all the ISI criminals who perpetrated the IC-814 outrage.......

"nobody in India denies that these individuals live in India. In fact, they live there openly!"

This is the shame BJKumar that such criminals and mass murders and demogogues should live openly and freely in the 21st century in a country that purports itself to be democratic

shame

#97 Express

Dear Express, funny that you cut into my conversation with the Bulleya and pick this particular issue.

Does it mean that you agree with me on the other requirements that the khakis need to fulfill (as listed in #89)?

Bolo yaar, zubaan ghaas charne chal gayi, kya?

In any case, whatever the deeds of the two individuals you mention - they are not accused of doing anything inside the great Pakistan country (called P. country, for short).

Further, unlike the cowardly khakis of the P. country who deny that the Indian mobsters are their honored bosom-buddy-guests, nobody in India denies that these individuals live in India. In fact, they live there openly!

I know, I know - that sense of the ummaaaahhh is really overpowering for you - commonsense be darned!

I feel your pen! (Then I stick it to you.)