Thank You Suicide Bomber! No one is talking about my 1.5 Billion anymore!

Sharia mind set

As an educated person, as an elite, Ahmer it is disheartening to see the sharia mindset coming through. Why should benazir compensate for teh dead, is it not teh duty of teh state. It would have been if murder is a crime in pakistan. Unfortunately it is not, when samia sarwar was murdered, no investigation was carried out because her father and her husband, the walis, refused to report the crime. Pathetic Ahmer, you have used teh same logic, it is the blood money that benzir has to pay to teh kiln of teh dead.

Wake up Ahmer, it is people like you who reinforce and validate the islamic system, you are the enemy of democracy, you are the enemy of any civil political process, you are a true child of TNT. Pathetic.

Romair,

(i have a simple idea.......let the rule of law take its course.......let benazir face all her charges in all the courts that are hearing them - pakistan, switzerland, spain (?), england (?)......let them give their judgemeents.....let her serve her jail time in switzerland, where she has been convicted.....and anywhere else.......)

BB can take some advice from Mr. Laloo Prasad Yadav, when he was in jail, his wife Rabri replaced him as Bihar CM. Of course Mr. Z too may end up in jail with her if they are convicted, she can pass on the baton to her kids if they are of legal age. If not surely Mushy can reduce the legal age to accomodate them.

Regards

Ras #: "From a distance, to me, Pakistan appears to be in its worst crisis since 1971. And if you have any better ideas let us hear them now."

i have a simple idea.......let the rule of law take its course.......let benazir face all her charges in all the courts that are hearing them - pakistan, switzerland, spain (?), england (?)......let them give their judgemeents.....let her serve her jail time in switzerland, where she has been convicted.....and anywhere else.......

and let other people (including people from her own party) come to the top........this will never happen as long as all her sins are forgiven and she remains chairperson for life.......

p.s. since i am always ready to increase my knowledge, once again, do let me know what qualifications naveed qamar had for being the top finance person in the country?...i don't have anything against him.......i just don't think the guy makes a good finance minister.....

following is an article from the respected cowasjee regarding benazir - would be interested in your opinions:

With disgust

By Ardeshir Cowasjee

THE New York Times, August 6, 2003: ‘Bhutto Sentenced in Switzerland — A Swiss magistrate has found former Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto and her husband guilty of money laundering.

They were given six-month suspended jail terms, fined $50,000 each and were ordered to pay US$11m to the Pakistani government. The six-year-long case alleged that Ms Bhutto, who lives in exile in London and Dubai, and her husband, Asif Zardari, deposited in Swiss accounts $0m given them by a Swiss company in exchange for a contract in Pakistan. The couple said they would appeal.’

Swissinfo (swissinfo.org/eng), Oct 9, 2007: ‘Amnesty spells trouble for Swiss Bhutto case — ... Daniel Zappelli, the general prosecutor of Geneva, is facing a quandary. Should the politician and her husband stand trial now that Bhutto has been granted an amnesty by her own country?...The couple was first convicted of simple money laundering in 2003 by a Geneva investigating judge who handed down a six-month suspended sentence.

The Bhuttos appealed against the magistrate’s decision but were later accused of more serious money laundering offences.....Crystal clear, is it not? The couple stand convicted of corruption.

Benazir Bhutto was convicted for simple money laundering in 2003. She appealed against that sentence and under a quirk of Swiss law the matter was automatically reopened. She is now being prosecuted for aggravated money laundering, which is a far more serious offence and carries a longer jail sentence.

NAB has disclosed last week that it has made an International Mutual Legal Assistance request to the Spanish government for information on a trail of money leading to Spain through Swiss banks starting in the year 2000-1 when, reportedly, Benazir, henchman Rehman Malik (former additional director of the FIA during her prime ministership, a fugitive from Pakistan where he is wanted for corruption but covered by this monstrosity of an amnesty) and relative Hassan Ali Jafferi registered two companies, Petroline and Tempo Global Gains, both Free Zone (offshore) companies, in Sharjah.In 2001, Petroline opened two bank accounts in a Spanish bank, and Tempo did the same in 2002. Copious amounts of money were transferred into these accounts from Switzerland and the UAE. Reportedly, the High Court of Valencia has appointed an examining magistrate to investigate the affairs of the shareholders in the two companies — Bhutto, Rehman and Jafferi — and the competent Spanish authorities have frozen the two companies, their bank accounts and a villa in Marbella and entrusted prosecution to the office of the public prosecutor of Valencia.

The rantings and ravings of the few PPP diehards who insist that the amnesty is the best thing to have happened to Pakistan since its creation are centred on the excuse that many, or all, of the corruption cases filed in our courts against Benazir and her husband were not only ‘politically motivated’ but that due to their snow-white innocence nothing could be proven against them. Again, one must ask why there was never a guilty or innocent verdict handed down? Fine, even if we admit that the cases filed in Pakistan could be tainted politically, such is not the case in Switzerland, or indeed in Spain. One can hardly accuse the Swiss and Spanish governments of political victimisation.

Thanks Zeemax!

After reading your response, it appears to me that the likes of Ras are much more bothered by the utterances of generally impoverished mullahs but find any allegation of actual looting of Pakistan at the hands of Benazir as "boring", attributing it to the declining publishing standards at Chowk :)

Corr:

... would be at-least a hundred times that close to Rs. 700 million.

malik99 & others re BBs corruption:

It is the standard defense of BBs camp that nothing was proven in courts against her. This is a clever subterfuge because the only way the courts can deliver a verdict is if the defendant appears before the courts.

BB never appeared before the courts. Not even once, despite summons. Her lawyer Farook Naik is an expert at delaying tactics and prolonged the cases on one pretext or another without submitting any defense - for all these years - while trying for a deal at the same time. As a result, BB is on bail in three cases pending a verdict and an absconder in the balance three.

All this thing about nothing proven in courts is sheer nonsense.

As for Malik's query re the amount ($500 million?), the figure of $1.5 billion is NAB's own figure derived from white-crime forensic investigators recruited from abroad, and not mere propaganda. This figure too is highly under-estimated because e.g. the value of Bilawal House is included at just Rs. 7 million. Anyone who is familiar with its location and size would know the actual value would be at-least ten times that close to Rs. 700 million .

RE: Romair #8

The country has been going nowhere without me for the past
34 years with the help of more enlightened people like yourself.

I am more interested in the elections here in America next year. But that does not mean that I am not moved by senseless slaughter in Karachi.

The question IS of this ridiculous amount quoted. It is
also about a gullible and misguided generation that has
grown up blaming "That Woman" (What a pathetic expression).

I have read a couple of your replies here on CHOWK recently
and find it interesting that you called someone I know
incompetent in spite of the fact that he was only at his
post for less than one month before the PPP government fell.

You are often short on facts and long (literally)
on opinion. But I guess that this is not the time for bringing that up.

If your opinions at the moment could help the current situation in Pakistan more that Benazir, I would ignore your past too.

From a distance, to me, Pakistan appears to be in its worst crisis since 1971. And if you have any better ideas let us hear them now.

It would be refreshing change from the below-average articles on Pakistan that I have been reading on CHOWK recently (with the exception of Yasser Hamdani's)

It seems that any article blaming Benazir and Musharraf
is getting published here these days. This kind of stuff
is getting old and making this site a little boring..

Romair,

(a common pakistani who steals a goat ends up in jail, and has to return the goat.......benazir steals milliions to hundreds of millions and perhaps over a billion dollars.....she gets to keep them and actually becomes a prime minister.........)

Surely you would have heard of the story of Alexander the Great and the pirate!!!

Regards

Abbay budhayy hindoo...the reason u r irked is because the author seemed to be against a basic creed of ur religion..the caste system...but it aint about the veggies so dont get ur diapers in a knot....shouldnt u be out there aborting a girlie fetus somewhere anyway

ras "$1.5 Billion is a huge and ficticious number "

I am curious, what do you estimate is a more realistic dollar amount that she is accused of stealing? Is it $500 million? $100 million?

Lest anyone misunderstand my comment in #9, let me explain.

Based on reading this article (and a few other articles currently sitting on the FP), it is very clear that chowk editors are lazy, fat bums who are absolutely determined to justify the level of wages that they receive for their labors by spending a proportionately equal amount of time actually reading any stuff submitted to this site before putting it up!

It is also clear that they make a determined effort to understand high quality - as they see it - by carefully studying the contents of their own produced crap inside their own loo - which, of course, would severely limit the time for actually reading others' stuff.

Another one in Chowk's long series of "articles" which attempt to express outrage at the loss of life occuring at the BB procession and blame - BB! Talk about logic inverted!

Evidently, the trait is not only a characteristic of certain Pakistani women here. Certain Pakistani men carry the same delusion - only in a more severe form!

If chowk has any pretensions to seek a higher quality than its current gutter elevation, it should at least feign some modicum of quality control!

If the chowk editors are too busy carping inside their bathrooms to spend any time actually reading a submitted article, they should seriously consider turning the job over to young bloods!

Even I would volunteer to help out those lazy, fat bums!

Ras #: "$1.5 Billion is a huge and ficticious number....especially without an associated conviction...."

...there actually is a conviction.....she was convicted in switzerland and sentenced to 6 months in jail.....this was the first step in a series of convictions, which would have started occuring.....

....the question is not one of amount....it is a question of getting a string of corruption cases written off, without going to court......surely she knows there will be more convictions, beyond switzerland, otherwise why make this a key negotiation point.......

......even if one assumes pakistani courts are politically motivated, what about swiss and spanish and british courts.....what do they have against her?

......surely you don't support convicted criminals, with cases against them in multiple continents to be leaders of pakistan?.......or do you?.......

would you support this in the usa, as a criteria for us presidentship?

a common pakistani who steals a goat ends up in jail, and has to return the goat.......benazir steals milliions to hundreds of millions and perhaps over a billion dollars.....she gets to keep them and actually becomes a prime minister.........all because musharraf needs her and because she is ready to support us bombings, which will kill far more innocents in waziristan than criminals.....

....if the educated people in pakistan have such points of views, then, no wonder, the country isn't going anywhere...

What a wonderful description exposing the true faces of our rulers!!!
Dear Mr. Ahmer Muzammil,
Could you please make its Urdu translation and get it published in local news paper(s)? This way there might be (although only a little) increased chance that more people might get aware of "their" dark faces.

This writing is suited for CHOWK "Unplugged"

and not FP material.

But then again I am just a lowly Merlot rinser...


$1.5 Billion is a huge and ficticious number

especially without an associated conviction....

I say let the bitch do what she gotta do..sooner or later ppl will catch up to her hypocrisies in which she aint flyin solo..hopefully sonner rather than later