Neoliberalism and Madrassas: An Unholy Connection

srk are u a nut, the romans depopulated israel, the allies carpet bombed germany and japan and the US dropped nuclear weapons on civilian populations.

halaku depopulated most muslim cities; the crusaders depopulated jerusalem, al qida is a baby in comparison

Masadi,

"Maybe not but they were Hindu pioneers of suicide bombings, supported by the Indian Govt, long before the phenomenon was seen in Pakistan."

Well, the conflict in Sri Lanka is ethnic. The Tamil Tigers are both Hindus and Christian. One of the main leader of the LTTE is Antwan Balasingham who is a Christian.

Also suicide attacks are not something pioneered by Hindus. Japanese Kamikazees are famous for this. One of the Shia sects in the early history of Islam known to have used the suicide attack tactics on their enemies. AFAIK, all these attacks are mainly against the fighting enemies and political leaders. But in the case of attacks by Al Qaeda and other similar outfits, the attacks were deliberately on the innocent civilians like the commuters in Bombay, London, Spain.

I hope you can see the difference but after reading so many of your posts, i do not have much hope about that.

HAHA...listen to imran khan say how pureland has used helicopter gunships against allah's chosen people while indians have never used any such thing.you tube link

Ref#35

US Govt did not force Jia lul phuk to foster and promote a culture of violence, that was a purely domestic decision. More importantly, the US left in 1989 what happened after that was just a continuation of the same ill-conceived domestic policies. Consider this, till the end of the seventies barelvi school of thought dominated maderassas, fast forward to the end of the century and deobandi/wahabi maderassas are the dominant entity. This is the main root cause of extremism in Pakistan, to imply otherwise is factually incorrect.

Re: # 29

"Girl schools" blown up is the correct statement that was mistakenly written as school girls.

Coming back to your chllenge, u said:

"The rise of the militant medressa is a direct consequence of the Afghan/Soviet war, with the US as major catalyst;"

Partially correct. US foreign policy shares some responsibility but cannot be isolated from the Paki/Saudi nexus that was the real driving force behind this change.

"and the rise of the militant medressa that practices suicide bombing is a direct consequence of the US war on terror methodology post 9/11 in this area and the Middle East..."

Hizbullah, Hamas have been using suicide bombing well b4 9/11 and the petrodollar states not only sanctioned such acts they also rewarded martyrs and their families. 9/11 changed that, ME states and other functionaries have distanced themselves from suicide bombings.

In Pakistan, trouble has been brewing for quite sometime. Jihadis were developed for action in Afghanistan, Kashmir and monopolization of violence back home. Well guess what, 9/11 was the turning point for this ill-conceived state policy. As the state is being forced to dismantle its policy of terror, elements that are dependent on this network are retaliating and theses same elements are those that finance and promote all sorts of violent reactions. Now to link this with IMF SAP is not only intellectually corrupt but also extremely dangerous for the well being of any form of civilized society.

Very good Essay, however one question remained unanswered, where are the free Madrassas getting fundings from? We may blame SAP but isn't it also a case of some elements using this loophole? Are there islamists parties funding such madrassas to gain street powers? and who are funding them?

Problem with Islamists are that they will do whatever they want, no matter what. They call everything war and everything is fair in war ..atleast for them.

Re: # 31

arjun,

... let me be the first one to apologize on behalf of my countrymen for using islamic jihadis in kashmir ...... and let me assure you that next time we will only use the regular military with support from indigeneous nationalist freedom fighters from iok ..... also, if we can't finish the campaign in a year, we will let you keep your ill gotten gains - life is too short .... fair enough ?

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#25 Posted by masadi on October 27, 2007 8:18:22 am


Was Pakistan governed by a democratic people's government when it made the decision to fight America's war? When you have an indigeneously staffed foreign occupation force,


Masadi...your US elites made us do it is getting to be like the twinkie made me do it defense..

let's see...

did pakis agitate in the streets to protest against that policy..NOPE..in fact, even pakis will tell you that pakis were fully on board with the afghan jihad because they saw the $$ it brought into pureland..

another thing: despite what paki revisionists will tell you, the taliban were entirely created, armed and trained by the paki army..and starting with the government of the military dictator benazir bhutto...did pakis agitate in the streets then? NOPE...

of course, the whole paki adventure in using islamic terrorism in kashmir was done entirely of your own volition..in fact, the majority of pakis openly professed their support of the jihad in kashmir before 9/11 sent their love for jihad into the closet..



On the other hand when you say "good" to Pakis dying, that tells me that you are a stinking immoral a.h


you're right...morals are for religious people and fools..

regardless, the fact that I'm enjoying every minute of this civil war isn't what is killing pakis...what's killing pakis is the choices you made and your use of islamic terrorism as a state policy..

""The rise of the militant medressa is a direct consequence of the Afghan/Soviet war, with the US as major catalyst; and the rise of the militant medressa that practices suicide bombing is a direct consequence of the US war on terror methodology post 9/11 in this area and the Middle East..."

And

Medressas (militant or otherwise) fluorish in a social structure that has an economy that is dependant, where most of the population lives below the poverty level, that relies on dirty money (bribes from the Americans) in order to survive- and this structure is maintained by the IMF/WB that controls both fiscal and monetary policy of the indebted nation- the author is 100% dead on when suggests that link- it might not be the direct cause of the militant medressa but it sure as hell is the latent consequence of our colonized nation, where the colonized status is maintained by just such institutions as the IMF/WB.

rf writes "Try answering the questions"

What questions the dumb ones regarding "how many girl students have been killed by the taliboon"?, as if that has anything to do with the growth the militant medressa where both males and females study or "funding of the madressas"- who was funding the Soviet/Afghan war and who delivered the funds? If you can answer that you'll be able to answer that question. Growth of Medressas in urban areas? Do you think urban areas in Pakistan have great public schools and social services? Come on, you don't have a clue and merely pick on the weakness of the author's article to further confuse a quite clear situation:

"The rise of the militant medressa is a direct consequence of the Afghan/Soviet war, with the US as major catalyst; and the rise of the militant medressa that practices suicide bombing is a direct consequence of the US war on terror methodology post 9/11 in this area and the Middle East..."

I challenge you, if you have any brain cells as you claim to disprove this using any reasoning or fact you can muster, BS questions, unaccompanied by sound reasons and reasoning wont do....

rf writes "Your caustic comments are not adding any value nor do they show any sign of constructive argument"

Contrary to your lazy BS I have provided sound explanations. Whereas your nonsense is based not on any "variables" but on your stereotypes, about which your presentation tells us you know nothing factual (because you are too lazy to base your nonsense on fact), you have tried to appear complex by putting in some arbitrary time periods that mean absolutely nothing detached from the social and historical context of that era, which I am presenting. It is not me who lacks the brain cells but you, try to counter even one point in my posts on the issue intellegently if what you say about your post holds any weight whatsoever...

#21 Posted by masadi

Masadi

Your caustic comments are not adding any value nor do they show any sign of constructive argument. I have shown the writer his narrative fallacy by offering variables that were not considered, what have u done? Zilch. Try answering the questions, if you do not have the braincells to contemplate different viewpoints then I suggest u find some humility it will do u wonders.

Re: # 25

masadi mian,

... i think you are being unfair to arjun mian - the horrible hindoos have been very restrained in their expression of joy at our predicamant ..... on the other hand, we were gloating, giving each other high fives, and doing back flips for al-lah when these same people were killing their soldiers in kashmir ........

........ heck, a couple of years ago even i thought it was a good idea to use these uncouth tribals as bashibazouks in the war to liberate kashmir - i thought we could kill two birds with one stones ..... i was wrong - one of these birds has come home to roost and is shitting all over us and the other, a mocking bird, is having a ball .........

....... and you are still a fool !

arjun writes "you weren't dragged kicking and screaming into that adventure. It was a conscious decision on your part..you saw F-16s and $$ and thought it would be a good idea to indoctrinate your own people..."

Man, you must be the king of all morons here. Was Pakistan governed by a democratic people's government when it made the decision to fight America's war? When you have an indigeneously staffed foreign occupation force, whose leadership lives off of the US elite's support, then when you get a predictible coup from that institution, that gets rid of the people's prime minister in the most barbaric manner, and an AH comes in as dictator, you cannot even by a wild stretch of the imagination say that the people of Pakistan had any choice. Even the dictator had little choice, he saw what he did to the prime minster and on whose behalf he acted. Did Musharraf have any real choice to go against the US war on terror post 9/11- not that he would have but even by a fluke if he wanted to he couldn't.

On the other hand when you say "good" to Pakis dying, that tells me that you are a stinking immoral a.h who not only has no clue about what he writes, he is so bigoted that he can easily legitimize the killing of innocents...

#15 Posted by masadi on October 26, 2007 9:02:54 pm


importing indoctrinating literature published in Nebraska, with help from "Saudi Petro Dollars", with tacit approval of the Americans, all for the purpose of fighting a proxy cold war with the Soviets.


you weren't dragged kicking and screaming into that adventure. It was a conscious decision on your part..you saw F-16s and $$ and thought it would be a good idea to indoctrinate your own people...

then, after the afghan war was over, you thought you could use islamic indoctrination to fight your fights in a'stan and kashmir...

so if pakis are dying...good..it's all your own damn doing..