Khalid Sohail November 1, 2007
#1 Posted by GT on November 1, 2007 12:27:56 pm
Dear Sohail,
You write as if Jenny had to pay a price for something she did not approve. Both may have paid a price for something that both approved (except for Marx's other relationship perhaps). We do not know. What you imply may indeed be true. However, there is no evidence of this being the case in your essay. This kind of writings have become fashionable nowadays because of the over-dose of feminism. I am saddened to see you being swept up in this wave of political correctness.
Marx and Jenny loved each other. (Jenny's father knew Marx from a young age and taught him about liberal writers like Saint Simon). Here is what Marx's daughter writes about the Moor (her father) as Jenny lay dying and he was ill:
"Our dear mother lay in the big front room and the Moor lay in the little room next to it ... Never shall I forget the morning he felt himself strong enough to go into Mother's room. When they were together they were young again - she a young girl and he a loving youth, both on life's threshold, not an old disease-ridden man and an old dying woman parting from each other for life."
Many a mundane middle-class household would give up their "little pink boxes" for such love between husband and wife.
You write as if Jenny had to pay a price for something she did not approve. Both may have paid a price for something that both approved (except for Marx's other relationship perhaps). We do not know. What you imply may indeed be true. However, there is no evidence of this being the case in your essay. This kind of writings have become fashionable nowadays because of the over-dose of feminism. I am saddened to see you being swept up in this wave of political correctness.
Marx and Jenny loved each other. (Jenny's father knew Marx from a young age and taught him about liberal writers like Saint Simon). Here is what Marx's daughter writes about the Moor (her father) as Jenny lay dying and he was ill:
"Our dear mother lay in the big front room and the Moor lay in the little room next to it ... Never shall I forget the morning he felt himself strong enough to go into Mother's room. When they were together they were young again - she a young girl and he a loving youth, both on life's threshold, not an old disease-ridden man and an old dying woman parting from each other for life."
Many a mundane middle-class household would give up their "little pink boxes" for such love between husband and wife.
#2 Posted by borivili_express on November 1, 2007 12:45:58 pm
Jenny was a great woman and like many great woman gave up much for love and duty, see nargis. Engels was a good friend he always helped Marx.
Karl Marx was a great man as was bhagat singh, they lived and died for others allah inko maghfarat ata kare, marhoom main kai khoobiyan theen
Karl Marx was a great man as was bhagat singh, they lived and died for others allah inko maghfarat ata kare, marhoom main kai khoobiyan theen
#3 Posted by borivili_express on November 1, 2007 12:51:59 pm
Another great poet and revolutionary was Percy Shelley, he was assasinated at ayoung age his wife also suffered much but still loved him dearly she called him cor cordium; heart of hearts
#4 Posted by aslam644 on November 1, 2007 1:13:11 pm
Marx was a very dishonest man who advocated violence. The woman he made pregnant was his maid, was it an affair , or took advantage of her , may be even raped her, he was old enough to be her father.
The question is when a sheikh al-araby makes his Filipino or sri lankan maid pregnant, human rights groups and neo Marxists are up in arms.why is there such double standards.
The question is when a sheikh al-araby makes his Filipino or sri lankan maid pregnant, human rights groups and neo Marxists are up in arms.why is there such double standards.
#5 Posted by borivili_express on November 1, 2007 1:36:21 pm
he did not rape her she was 27 years old not some kid. and how is he dishonest if he advocated violence?
#6 Posted by cliftonbridge on November 1, 2007 3:12:39 pm
dont be ridiculous aslam. Marx may have been unfaithfull but there is no evidence to suggest he took advantage of anyone and boxes full of evidence suggesting Marx had utmost genuine respect for women made clear by his constant and genuine references to the NECCESSITY of EQUALITY btw genders.
Your reference to some random arab sheik and his maid would only be valid if arabs were not amongst the worlds most prominent political and social misogynists who absolutely do treat women and poor people like dogs.
Your reference to some random arab sheik and his maid would only be valid if arabs were not amongst the worlds most prominent political and social misogynists who absolutely do treat women and poor people like dogs.
#7 Posted by apofomy on November 1, 2007 3:54:44 pm
Re: # 2
Great man or not please do not make a prophet out of him brovili. And Allah nay ghair musalamanon kee maghfarat mangnay kee ijazat nahee dee hay. Even the prophet was not allowed to pray for the forgiveness of his parents Marx to door kee baat hay.
Great man or not please do not make a prophet out of him brovili. And Allah nay ghair musalamanon kee maghfarat mangnay kee ijazat nahee dee hay. Even the prophet was not allowed to pray for the forgiveness of his parents Marx to door kee baat hay.
#8 Posted by tahmed32 on November 1, 2007 5:17:34 pm
apofomy #7: "Even the prophet was not allowed to pray for the forgiveness of his parents Marx to door kee baat hay."
This is religion as Made in Pakistan. Please dont call this religion Islam. Thank you.
This is religion as Made in Pakistan. Please dont call this religion Islam. Thank you.
#9 Posted by ahmedmadani on November 1, 2007 6:15:41 pm
Re: # If correct mr KM died in England. His last years of life spent spent in London. Our politicians especially MQM Chief AH, PPP chief BB and ML chief NS were also exiled to London. This reaLLY STARNGE BUT VERY SIMILAR TO SUFFERING BY mR. mARX. It is strange nature of English people they give asulum to all politicals till now. Bengali exiled, PM of our also died in london , E.Mirza also died in londo (?). London and Pakistan more related at each other. When problem in India all leaders fly to London. English elites by being kind to Indopaki politicians finally control des.
mR. mARK SAID APTLY, THIESE things happen as tragedy and then they are repeated as farce. I do not think mr. Marx had as many followers as each of above. His friend Engle was distressed when no "working class appeared for his funeral".
mR. mARK SAID APTLY, THIESE things happen as tragedy and then they are repeated as farce. I do not think mr. Marx had as many followers as each of above. His friend Engle was distressed when no "working class appeared for his funeral".
#10 Posted by ISlamIslam on November 1, 2007 7:53:27 pm
Hey, you think Jenny had it tough?
We had Nehru and his coterie loving Marx and it got one billion Indians Hell on earth.
Screw Jenny!
In fact, screw Karl Marx!
While we are at it, screw Communists the world over.
We had Nehru and his coterie loving Marx and it got one billion Indians Hell on earth.
Screw Jenny!
In fact, screw Karl Marx!
While we are at it, screw Communists the world over.
#11 Posted by drsohail on November 1, 2007 8:19:40 pm
Re: # 1
Dear GT...I did not write this article for political correctness. I have been studying creative personalities...poets, philosophers, reformers and revolutionaries, whether men or women and I find that they have non-traditional lifestyles and their traditional spouses have to pay the sacrifice in the name of love. If you want examples of women you can read the biographies of Anais Nin and Virginia Woolf...their husbands had to pay the price like the wife of Marx. Anais Nin had an affair with novelist Henry Miller and Virginia Woolf had a lesbian affair.
Marx's marriage with his wife is presented as ideal by many Marxists...the reality is far from it. For me these struggles do not take away from the greatness of Marx or Virginia Woolf or other creative personalities. Rafi Aamer had presented the romantic life of Allama Iqbal on chowk with similar struggles. That does not take away that Iqbal was a wonderful philosopher and poet but a troubled husband.
sincerely sohail
Dear GT...I did not write this article for political correctness. I have been studying creative personalities...poets, philosophers, reformers and revolutionaries, whether men or women and I find that they have non-traditional lifestyles and their traditional spouses have to pay the sacrifice in the name of love. If you want examples of women you can read the biographies of Anais Nin and Virginia Woolf...their husbands had to pay the price like the wife of Marx. Anais Nin had an affair with novelist Henry Miller and Virginia Woolf had a lesbian affair.
Marx's marriage with his wife is presented as ideal by many Marxists...the reality is far from it. For me these struggles do not take away from the greatness of Marx or Virginia Woolf or other creative personalities. Rafi Aamer had presented the romantic life of Allama Iqbal on chowk with similar struggles. That does not take away that Iqbal was a wonderful philosopher and poet but a troubled husband.
sincerely sohail
#12 Posted by harish_hyd on November 1, 2007 11:52:45 pm
Sohail Sahib, this was a nice read. Often, lost in the popularity of such personalities are their near and dear. Thanks for letting us know about the woman who made Marx possible.
#13 Posted by augmentin on November 2, 2007 1:18:24 am
Nice to read.
Wife of every ambitios man is loney and has hard time.
I have sympathy for Jenny!
Wife of every ambitios man is loney and has hard time.
I have sympathy for Jenny!
#14 Posted by augmentin on November 2, 2007 1:21:52 am
Nice writing!
wife of every ambitious man is lonely and has hard time.
I have sympathy for Jenny.
wife of every ambitious man is lonely and has hard time.
I have sympathy for Jenny.
#15 Posted by bjkumar on November 2, 2007 3:59:09 am
Dr. Sohail, I read your piece side-by-side with Dr. Gill’s write-up on the love life of Einstein and I can not help but gather the following.
Men who use-and-discard their women like dish rags – they become great scientists!
Men who have their wives pay the bills – they become great communists!
#16 Posted by stuka on November 2, 2007 9:06:43 am
Either Marx was a loser, or Marxists are losers. Socialism Murdabad.
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