Do You Have a Substitute?

Re: # 85

romair,

.... why don't you go to the nearest police station to get some sense beaten into you .. and take masadi with you

Why Govt. didn’t submit evidences against those freed on court orders: Ramday

ISLAMABAD: Former Justice Khalilur Rahman Ramday has said that if such key players of terrorism were released on the court orders, then it means that the government didn’t provide the evidences.

Talking to Geo News, Justice Khalilur Rahman Ramday said that he was unable to understand as to why the blame of releasing terrorists was being put forth and added that if such key players of terrorism were released, then why did the government not come forward with evidences against them.

Justice Ramday said that both the judges, who had ordered for the release of terrorists, have taken oath under the new PCO. However, taking oath under PCO was the personal discretion of any judge, he stated.

(http://www.thenews.com.pk/updates.asp?id=31691)

We most definitely do have a substitute to Musharraf - it's called the constitution and the rule of law. The whole point is that he is not indispensable, and that we need rulers who respect the country enough to honor its laws.

Do you really think Musharraf is going to do anything in Swat or Waziristan? There was nothing stopping him from addressing them before. What is this huge military for if not to deal with such problems? Yet we read of captured troops and police stations regularly. He's been utterly ineffective in limiting the militants, and is now using them as an excuse to crack down on lawyers, judges, human rights activists, and supporters of democracy. He's actually beating up and arresting exactly the people who most strongly oppose the militants.

The power has gone to Mushy's head. How will he ever leave now?

bulleya writes ".......this implies the president has been fired.....and the army has taken over, offiically....."

Unofficially or officially the military is firmly in charge, whatever other hats the head of the military might wear for legitimacy, he knows that without the uniform he is horse sh**.

Romair mian, please stop the gibberish, will you?

Romair,

You are in the same category as the judges. The authority of the prime minister come from the PCO, and not from the old constitution, as you understand it.

...one has heard of coups against a civilian govt., by the military.....one has heard of coups against a military govt. by another military general.......but this has to be considered an extremely strange coup......

......a person has, basically, kicked himself out.......the chief of army staff has put the constitution into abeyance, thereby declaring all govt. structures ineffective and dissolved.......this implies the president has been fired.....and the army has taken over, offiically.....

.......however, the president happens to be the same person, who is the coas.......so the coas has fired the president.......musharraf the coas has fired musharraf the president, becuase musharraf the coas felt that the musharraf the president wasn't doing a good enough job.....and the country's future was at stake.......

.....if a general thinks that even he himself cannot do a good job as the president, and thus has to fire himself, then who else can do the job?.......

....and if nobody can do the job as president, even when the president has dictatorial powers, then how does the country run?......

....additionally, under what rule is the prime minister in power now.......whenever the constitution has been put into abeyance, earlier, the assemblies and pm and president etc. have been fired and wrapped up........that is, always, the whole purpose of the coup......

......the prime ministership is actually a position defined by the constitution (as far as i know), as is the president......so the coas has fired himself from the role of president......and the prime minister is in place, even though his hiring contract (the constitution) is no longer active.......the same rule applies to the minsiters and national assembly and senate.......

...zia-ul-haq was able to achieve this same status, to a great extent, when he was leading the mujahideen, with the support of the usa, against the godless soviets, to save the God-fearing world.........now musharraf has (or is trying) to achieve the same status as he is fighting the godly mujahid, with the support of the usa, to save the secular world......

strange.......surely things cannot go on like this forever.....something has to give......the camel has to sit down in some manner, at some time.......

For once you have to agree with Mushy, the supreme court judges are in cuckoo land.

Cannot believe what they are planning to do, and they have to be sacked, for being so stupid.

ISLAMABAD: Deposed judges of the Supreme Court and Sindh High Court would go to their offices and preside over their respective courts today (Monday), sources close to these judges told The News.

A meeting to discuss the future strategy was held at the residence of Chief Justice Iftikhar Muhammad Chaudhry on Monday, the sources said, adding, most of the deposed judges including Justice Bhagwandas and Justice Javed Iqbal attended.

The sources said the meeting reviewed the constitutional crisis after imposition of emergency in the country and legal position of the “sacked� judges. The judges at the meeting chaired by the CJ averred that they were still active and could continue court work. The judges decided to go to the Supreme Court as routine to attend their offices, the sources concluded.

Online/NNI add: In Karachi, the ousted Chief Justice of Sindh High Court Justice Sabihuddin Ahmed said that judges who refused to take oath under the Provincial Constitution Order will go to duty today (Monday).

BBC quoted Justice Sabihuddin Ahmed as saying that the judges will perform their duties as of routine. Separately talking to reporters Justice Sabihuddin said he and his colleague judges have not received any notification of removal from services and he would turn on their duty along with his twenty-three colleagues and conduct hearings of the cases as usual.

ISLAMBAD: Pakistani President PervezMusharraf denied rumours sweeping Pakistan on Monday that he had been placed under house arrest by subordinates unhappy with his decision to impose emergency rule.

"It is a joke of the highest order," Musharraf told foreign news agency from the Presidency building in Islamabad where he had just met more than 80 foreign diplomats to explain his decision.

Media organisations received calls from cities all around Pakistan, including Karachi, where the stock market had fallen 4.7 percent on the political uncertainty.

#80 Posted by jayp,

jayp can you read Urdu? If you can, the column by Hamid Mir in today's Jang will be quite amusing for you!

#79 Posted by majumdar,

Why has Mehsud agreed to an exchange ratio of 8.52 (as per Jay's post)? Is it becuase 1 havayoon = 10 kanjaroon.

The latter is correct though about 1=100 is a better guess. Those Mujahids released will account for at-least that many kanjar's heads!

The time to correct the error of collin Powel in making the phone call is approaching. The US and british forces are increasingly cooperating with the indian troops and a joint strike against pakistan may be a decade away. The monstrocity created by Jinnah will not die easily, it has to have a very violent death.

Zee sahib,

Why has Mehsud agreed to an exchange ratio of 8.52 (as per Jay's post)? Is it becuase 1 havayoon = 10 kanjaroon. Of course one simple explanation could be that the released kanjaroons would be worthless to the Army as they would be of suspect integrity.

???

Regards

Ranjit,

To me it's a choice btw Tweedledum & Tweedledee. It's Mush who cretaed Kargil. When he toned down on Kashmir it's not his stratgey but one of the consequences of 9/11.

Bad guy is a bad buy. Mush is one.

#75 Posted by jayp,

Exactly.

#73 Posted by harish_hyd,

Yeah the exchange was negotiated by 'Jirga's.

My point is that he 'negotiates' when kicked but kicks the gun-less around.