The Empire Strikes Again in Pakistan

Re: # 141

thanks for the compliment, I think we all need to unite and condemn the current situation. Lack of vocal protest is being interpreted as endorsement by the cronies of this fascist regime. Its not democracy but the entire system of checks and balances which is at stake.

Ref: # 136
Ditto. I could not have put it better than that.

Ref: # 137
Sorry I did get my numbers worng. This was meant for Goldfinger. His shallow argument has been countered very well by Skeptical.

To hell with 'election' -- Musharraf will not have peace untill and unless he reinstates the Supreme Court judges.

This whole charade of emergency was aimed at nobody else except at the Supremem Court.

One reinstatement was not enough of a lesson. This time Musharraf has bitten more than he can chew -- and he will choke to death on it. Pakistan is not Myanmar.

Re: # 136
So your solution about "disruptive" institutions like Judiciary (which by the way has always always been subject to executive apart for perhaps a few months when it showed signs of coming out of its control) should be razed to the core!!!
And rebuilding be done by an all powerful military strongman. Mr Goldfinger, what makes you think that this is rebuilding in the first place? It is the return to orginal state of affairs. Secondly the whole emergency was implemented to purge judiciary so that Musharraf can have his way completely. So what makes you think that this so called "rebuilding" will be for the country's betterment and not for removal of effective checks and balances. I keep on hearing similar crap about Musharraf being a better option than BB and NS blah blah...
Those two also created problems because they tried to concentrate too much powers in their hands and Musharraf is doing the same in a manner which is far more brutal and will have disastrous long term effects on your institutions. Mind you even if his intentions are "noble", one day your favourite stable and benevolent dictator will die or will have to leave. However even if he dies he would have left a precendent and a legacy of a weak and subservient judiiary which will then be abused for the next and not so benevolent dictator. Too much power in one individual has a tendency to be abused and abusers and their apologetics have a tendency to call it "stability" and essential to prevent anarchy.
So do you want a police state where one day you can be abducted by agencies and you do not have any any recourse to law!!! Perhaps then you will understand what this "stability" is all about...

Borivilli mian,

(we will never mass rape and mutilate women and children)

Have you forgotten the mass rape and murders in Dhaka in 1970-71, oh I forgot they were bhooka bangalis not true Momins.

By the way what about the white phosphorusinng of 3,000 schoolkids in Lal Masjid?

Regards

#135 blithe writes "#127
I do not get your point. Are you condoning the dismantling of the judiciary in Pakistan?"

You got your numbers wrong. I don't support the thug Musharraf or what he is doing, Goldfinger and Zyxius the petty thugs, do, ask them...

#133 Zyxius writes "Masadi...question..yes or no... Are you a Bibi Chamcha? I know of a Masadi who is both a Bibi chamcha and an MQM thug. Are you from the same family?"

Zyxius a question for you, yes or no, are you a sob? My ideas on the BB are clearly known to people here when I had the ZAB/MAJ debate with the other thug, Manto on here. I have no connections with any political party let alone the MQM, I would be out of place ethnically were I to join that party, in other words I would not be welcome....does that answer your question?

If you are addressing me, actually yes...every corrupt and corroded institution needs to be plucked from its very roots and replanted so it can grow in unison with the people and the nation. If an institution exists just merely as a tool of disruption in the smooth running of affairs of any sort, and is otherwise inept and corrupt to the core, what should be done to it? There has to be just one person or institution which is more viable than the others to be able to do it otherwise total mayhem will ensue.

#127
I do not get your point. Are you condoning the dismantling of the judiciary in Pakistan? Are you condoning the break up of all institutions apart form the army and its affiliate organisations? You do not seem to believe in the check and balance of competing instituions. Someone of your background may think that Musharraf is a benevelonent dictator but he is creating a system that will promote a line of dicatatorships after he is gone. Civil society will have to work extra hard to undo the mess this most unpatriotic DICTATOR has done to the country. Think before you write on this channel.

Re: # 132

Since you are so bright and every one else a moron, what do you think ought to be done? You just seem to be speaking in convolutions and have no proposals.

Masadi...question..yes or no... Are you a Bibi Chamcha? I know of a Masadi who is both a Bibi chamcha and an MQM thug. Are you from the same family?

You keep speaking of social structure and everyone else being a moron...so I guess you must be at the top of that social structure. Please tell us morons what you mean and who you are talking about as being the leader of our democracy? Please dont tell me its Bibi. She probably would have been standing at a street corner at Hira mandi if she weren't born in Zulfi's home. She's now just a high class version of the same thing.

#131, unlike you, I am actually "on the ground" in Pakistan, and know quite clearly what is going on- and of course the worst democracy is still better than the best dictatorship because dictatorship will ensure that the best democracy you will ever be able to manage will be of the worst kind, but morons will not understand this because they don't have a clue about social structure, for them individuals are free to act as they please and dictators choose to be good and politicians bad, wasting time with such people is itself ignorance so I will refrain from doing so....

Re: # 127
Actually it is very easy to just sit there and try to shoot everything down through the air and say this that or the other, however ground realities are quite different and its not as easy at it seems to you....I too say that democracy is the best path for us, but democracy, mind you not the horrible corrupt dictatorial theivery that passes off for democracy, which the corrupt press and the stupid serfs would again wish to hoist upon us, and please none of that BS about the worst democracy being better than the best dictatorship etc

Re: # 128

Goldfinger,

I have no issues with you. If it helps i too don't give a f about god (of any religion).
you advice is well taken, but sometimes you have to talk at the level of the person you are interacting with, in this case bosdhika_exp.

Zyxius writes "He should have left Mushy's democracy agenda alone and let Phase 3 take place."

What a damn joke, phase 3, the guy gets rid of an elected government under the barrel of the gun, establishes his kingship, cannot tolerate the pillars of the state to operate independantly and then has the audacity to talk about "democracy"- the worst form of double speak that would put "1984" to shame, dictatorship for the cause of democracy; maybe Cheney with his "war for peace" coached the bas****.

Re: # 119

My good friend Netizen I will heed your advice and refrain from wasting time with you further...however I just merely wish to tell you that you can not rouse my passions by spewing invectives against peoples religions for I believe in no religion whatsoever, as I neither bow five times a day on the ground nor do I drink a cup of urine daily or shower with it, however by being abusive towards a faith that so many people in the world believe in you really are giving people a glimpse into your dark and ugly soul.

Goldfinger writes "Enlightened Masadi you speak of ideal times and ideal situations"

No I do not speak of ideal times and situations, I speak of ways to get there and the path to ideal times is not thorugh a dictator who has lost his mind and is at the helm of an institution that regardless of the character it throws up at the command post will do the same. I speak of what is and the what is tells us that more of the same BS will beget more of the same. You don't want to understand that becauae not only are you a political illiterate where it comes to Pakistani affairs, you have no clue about how societies work. Coming from that area of ignorance you and your other dumb friend Zyxius will look at persons and pin their hopes on the next one that might come along like Bush versus Clinton, not knowing that the nexus of institutions that throws up garbage like Bush and Clinton will continue with the very same policies come what may. When the Imperialists wanted the pak army to raise the slogan of Jihad during the Zia era, it did, not when it asked it to raise the slogan of "moderation" it is doing so, it is neither enlightened nor is it moderate and any damn fool would do a better job than the sob you are defending, the very vast majority of Pakistanis has gone to hell during his very tenure and like I said the corruption of an institution that pervades the entire society and has helped destroy it is much greater than the corruption of any one individual. When you'll understand that you understand how both this and the US society operates, until then you're just a moron .