The Empire Strikes Again in Pakistan

shame on this man faced witch who cries under the holy quran and thus is not above abusing and prostituting even the most sacred symbol of the poor and downtrodden for her benefit, or this fat bastard who when he had power twice, abused this child repeatedly and asks for its guardianship again

Re: # 48
Mr express or whatever post no 47 is for you also...
Just answer the central question!!! Do you think that incompetence of democratic leaders mean that Pakistan should become a police state!
Think and reflect and please do not come up with this gibberish stuff of NS, BB , Bhutto vs virtues of Musharaff.

Re: # 49
Do you think that judiciary should be purged because NS or BB are what you think they are....
Leaders are not a question here, emergency was not declared for them, it was declared to purge judiciary and abuse citizens and to prolong your favorite's rule at any cost.

Mushy is not my man, he may go Kiani could replace him, but not that Two faced power hungry chief justice who was coordinating his movements and speeches with the mullah's of lal masjid and the opposition which was sending protesters dressed as lawyers that mo fo had to go, if he is so great a politician let him now overthrow the govt through a street struggle rather than hollow out the state from inside with hundreds of suo moto cases against the executive,

Will no one rid me of this troublesome priest

Re: # 52
Mr express you still have not answered the question? Do you think that Pakistan should become a police state and ordinary people should be at the whims of agencies who can abduct and torture them the way they were doing and now with judiciary purged will continue to do so. Bravo!!
You approve that our citizens should be tortured and handed over to US without even acertaining whether they are actually involved in terror activities or not just because a certain count is neccessary to satisfy USA.
Once again you are missing the point here... Incompetence of political leaders does not mean that state torture on citizens is justified. Think and reflect or may be you also need an encounter with an agency to learn the hard way.

Re: # 45
I am not condoning dictatorship by any stretch of the imagination, o bright one! Just saying that at this moment most of the so-called champions of sham-democracy available to us are self centered petty criminals...since people;s memory is short just remind yourself that even when we had democracy we had dictatorship...and even under those criminlas Pakistan was a police state, in fact even a worse police state than it is now because now times and perceptions are changed the world over, if you have noticed!

I have more faith in the US than in any of pakistan's agencies, if the wrong man has been handed over to them he will be freed, the americans have more decency than you Mr. Sceptical can ever aspire to. And do you think Bibi or Sharif or your hero Chaudhary can stop this? or will do any better? while raping and abusing the nation along the way?

Re: # 54
I am against a police state whether under democratic pretenses or open shamelessness like Musharraf regime. You are missing the point and again and again refering to same NS, BB vs Mushi thing.
Absolute power whether accumulated the way it was under NS or Mushi should be condemned.Certain things in life are independent of nature of government arrangement..
Kidly stick to the questio I am asking and stop coming up with this NS, BB or kanjar Musharraf comparisons

Shame on you Pakistanis, sick bastards dont care two hoots that the country has been growing at 7% the poor finally have some chance of escaping their sordid existence, but they would rather see the poor defeated gladiator's blood flow through the streets for their own amusement. Fie on you shameless SOBs

India should wholeheartedly back mushy. he's been good for india. in his raaj, the paki army and their jihadi offspring are duking it out with a lot of dead pakis. he's using fighters and helicopter gunships against purelanders.

the paki junta have turned on their army and the jihadis are destined to be in conflict with the paki state for a long time.

heck, RAW couldn't have scripted it better than the current situation.

so...MUSHY..you go, general.

Re: # 56
You must have noticed that I refrained from mentioning BB NS or PM, merely said that even during more benign times in world's history when we supposedly had sham democracy we were in a police state and to top it this went along merrily with rape loot and plunder

But Just pray indians that a Marde momin does not take over the army or the state or before india can enter the 21st century it will be sent back to your beloved Ram Rajya or even earlier to the age of Ramapithecus.

Re: # 55
OK fine mr express, the point is that agencies do not just hand over your country men like that. They torture and abuse and at times do not even give USA chance to exercise their decency the poor man is already dead.
Since you have taken a position here your ego is preventing you to acknowledge that this practice is a wrong practice. The point is again missed by you-it is not CJ, Mushi, BB or NS. Its about people and their fundamental rights

And yes stop these abuses and act like a grown up man. I am just asking you to reflect. If you think I am wrong, fine-but let me assure you that poor's blood is not an amusement for me. If it had been, I would have been supporting Musharraf today. I can also come up with these filthy abuses but I wont. Take a chill pill. No hard feelngs we are just interacting on a site which states "unflinching idealism since 1997"
I have nothing more to add- you are prefectly entitled to your views.

Re: # 58
Rather than worry about dead Pakis raw should really worry about those countless half dead Indis that slumber on the rail-road tracks of Bombay (because they are all homeless) only to rise daily and then empty their innards in an ugly chorus for the world to see and puke about

Re: # 59
As I have said before Police state should be condemned in whatever Government arrangement we are refering to. I agree with you as long as you are against a police state.

South east Paksitan

Look in principle we are all pro democracy. But we know democracy means BB or NS. We know their record was crap and they were hugely corrupt , absolute poverty was at a level of 35% before 2000 and now its at 23% ...the economy was the pits.....etc etc.

Mush has done some good things for the country. His struggle for absolute authority getting a little hard to bear though and its making him do crazier and crazier things.

In the end we have two very flawed ways to go ....a sad pathetic democracy or a sad pathetic dictatorship.


North west pakistan

This is where the action is. Time is running out for us to avert a real catastrophe there ...and by that i mean civil war, famine, desperation and the usual fall out of disintegration....not to mention a potential hostile takeover by loonies. If only we knew who would be better at mending that fence without impaling themselves or anyone else.