Political Quandary in Pakistan

Re: # 79

You are right Laddu Mian. Only the Mullah can perhaps teach them a lesson as they are already doing through their terrorist outfits as according to them (the Mullah) creation of Pakistan was a sin in which none of them was involved. At least their leaders, Moulana Fazlurehman and his father, had publicly said so a number of times.

It is in fact not a mere 'political quandry' but a time bomb, perhaps a nuclear one, whih would explode any time to take us back to the stone age.

All I can say is that chowkies are idiots and will always remain so.

Apparently ISI has nothing better to do than monitor a third rate fool like masadi.

lets understand that pakistan was created by a unholy trinity, the landlords who didnt want to lose its privilages, supported by religionists and the army,poor mr.jinnah, the secular, was only an afterthought, a caricature. over sixty years all three have grown big. so therevis no chance forward cause the civil society is so small in comparison. so lets the religionists rule for a while, mess it up so that the army becomes aligned with the civil society and then there would be peace.

Someone asked about who is in which bed in Paki politics. Please allow me to help:

Bezamir was in bed with Mushy but the Dick Traitor refused to take his uniform off so now Bezamir is trying to get in bed with Nawaj Besharif who was already in bed with Moola Fazool Raman. The good thing is that Soodi Arabian law allows multiple occupants in the same bed.

Imran Khan was in bed with Aunt Jemima who gave her sweet syrup to Huge Grant who was rejected by Liz Hurley who went and got banged by an Injun. Now it appears that Aunt Jemima wants to hook up with the Great Can again.

One thing is constant - Hypo Chacha Al Butteesi is in bed with gora ass.

What is the outlet out of this situation.
None? No solution.
Let the politicians take care of their constituency.
Is the political landscape going to change whether there is Army or not?
Apart from some gain of Islamic parties and loss of leftist parties in NWFP, look at the composition of assembly about the same as in 1985 (may be 1988) . The parties have changed people are the same (ideology has changed basic premise of Kursi remains the same). And it is going to remain the same.
No solution in sight.
I don't think Benazir can perform miracle. And Nawaz Sharif can deliver without the blessings of Army.
Next election will choose the same people. The only question is on which party platform.
Give me the solution?

majumadar writes "Actually it was inaccessible in India too so I presume it was not the ISI's fault."

Possibly not this time but my site www.asadi.org is being blocked by the G of Pakistan ever since I started posting on Chowk...that is why I suspected the ISI types for inaccessibility of Chowk these past few days...

Re: # 78

"the fact of "parliamentary democracy" being the worst recipe for Pakistan:"

After reading all the chowk articles I am convinced that Pakistan actually DESERVES these Islamists and their imbecile mullahs and the Khalifas.

Pakistanis need to live under these bearded felons and suffer the fruits of their karmas.

"....The upshot of my essay is to highlight the inevitable political quandary in which Pakistan is trapped. You can install a political government by popular vote but there are no effective checks and balances by which a political government can be kept to the straight, narrow and workable path.
Who will break this quandary or how can Pakistan escape from this quandary is not clear yet."

You are dead right on the "quandry" Mr. Gill! Your lucid write-up has brought out well the fact of "parliamentary democracy" being the worst recipe for Pakistan: we have been passing through many torrents of shenanigans posing as 'heavily mandated' democratic parliament/government.
From what I can discern in the multitude of cursing or polemic in the many other write-ups and the interacts on this forum [chowk.com], there seems a terrible lack of clarity on WHAT is wrong and WHAT needs to be done!
How about starting from the premise that we require a total re-evaluation of the concept that 'parliamentary democracy' is what the doctor ordered for Pakistan? How about giving a shot at understanding what Jinnah wanted for Pakistan?
What about having a well-conceived form of democratic governance and administration that is a mixture of what was envisioned by Quaid-e-Azam; and that which is nearer to what was put in place about 1400 years ago?
May I humbly suggest a read of my paper, "Religiosity, National Ethos....." posted on this forum, 6th Nov 2007?
May I also request/suggest the Chowk Editors to 'censor' the noxious/irrelevant comments posted on the interacts which trash the content and are unrelated to the main thrust of particular articles or write-ups?
I would also suggest Chowk.com Editors to kindly 'moderate' the more serious write-ups: perhaps it may be considered appropriate to invite comments/views from: Janab Sharif al Mujahid , Dr. Parvez Hoodbhoy, Janab Qazi Faez al Issa, Prof Anwar Syed [his write-up, "Dealing with an emergency", DAWN, 11th November 2007, is a sort of sequel to a long list of revealing/suggestive political frame-work for Pakistan], and many other apolitical commentators.
Pakistan is poised on the edge of a precipice - some would rightly say, "hurtling down..." - and if urgent corrective actions are not taken, the spectre of armageddon foretold in the "Blood Borders" and "How the Balochistan Liberation Army came into being", will be realised [New York Times thinks it may be in 2010 or so]

Masadi sahib,

(Chowk was inaccessible from Pakistan yesterday and today is also inaccessible via Internet Explorer. The ISI types are roaming these streets or maybe they are working overtime for the sake of "democracy". )

Actually it was inaccessible in India too so I presume it was not the ISI's fault.

Regards

Note in addition to #74

Note: The real "rock and a hard place" is what the people of Pakistan find themselves in, faced by a choice between Musharraf's "democracy" and America's "democracy"- they want neither because both circumvent them(or pass them by) while using (and abusing) their name.

p.s: By the way, our esteemed president, who was also called a sonofabitch by the Daily Telegraph announced through his attorney general 4 days back that emergency will be lifted in a month and elections would be delayed by a month. Never one to go back on his words, he declared yesterday that the elections should be held before January 9th, under the barrel of the military gun. He also declared that it was "history in the making" the for the first time martial law slayed the judiciary and not the assemblies from which the opposition had already resigned in protest over the laughingstock he had made of the country by contesting presidental elections while serving as the country's highest ranking military officer in uniform. In related news, he was also descibed as a sonofabitch by the Daily Telegraph.....

According to our esteemed President, who was also called a sonofabitch by the Daily Telegraph, emergency in Pakistan was declared for the sake of "democracy", because stage/phase 3 of the democracy through dictatorship process was in danger of being "derailed". The hard work of past 7 years, that of manufacturing numbers showing the poverty has been reduced in Pakistan and literacy raised by 15% was in danger of being exposed and all the hard work lost. Our president, who was an unknown figure before the coup that brought him to power and now is the most popular political leader of the country, acted to save "democracy". For those of you ingrates who do not know what the three stages are, here is a history lesson for you all

Stage 1: Musharraf rules through the barrel of a drawn gun after overthrowing a democratically elected government for the sake of "democracy"

Stage 2: Musharraf rules through the gun but the gun is placed in the holster for purpose of legitimating and of course it is for "democracy"

Stage 3: Musharraf is declared president and COAS for life, to safeguard "democracy".

Stage 3 was disrupted because the Americans had a different plan for "democracy": choose a Prime Minster before any voting or campaigning takes place, and take the "gun" away from Musharraf and give it to another COAS, so he can rule through its barrel at the right time.

What have people got to do with "democracy"? In Pakistan, not much, democracy is pre-cooked and microwavable. It can be enforced from on high or applied through stages. It can be smoked, cooked, sautéed or stir fried but never consumed by the people.......Enjoy, now that the train is back on the tracks and the judges under house arrest and the dissidents being court martialled....


p.s Chowk was inaccessible from Pakistan yesterday and today is also inaccessible via Internet Explorer. The ISI types are roaming these streets or maybe they are working overtime for the sake of "democracy". The little men and women must not get any information.....because they might derail stage 3 of the path to "democracy". It must be true because our esteemed president, also called a sonofabitch by the Daily Telegraph, who was educated at the Ivy League, Pakistan Military Academy, and who in his own words found himself between a "rock and a hard surface" (should have been place but the literary giant who wrote his own biographical account of taking on the entire Indian military and now is not surrendering to 160 million Pakistani folk should be in a position to invent his own language, leave alone a borrowed phrase).

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Re: # 71

I think you have a great point, although one thing to add. The judiciary should not be completely independent....it needs to be controlled via checks and balances as well....

Take the American System of Government for example, The three parts of the government work via checks and balances...like three corners of a triangle....The President...The Congress...The Judiciary!

President nominates the judges.....Congress confirms them......Judges uphold the constitution and keep both Congress and President in check....

"You can install a political government by popular vote but there are no effective checks and balances by which a political government can be kept to the straight, narrow and workable path".

Independent judiciary, and completely unfettered media is the answer. Public can be informed and mobilized into political activism through the media. With the recourse to independent courts availble, this will create the necessary system of checks and balances. This has the promise to slowly cleanse the system.

The Times of India

POLITICALLY INCORRECT

Kis taraf, Musharraf?
11 Nov 2007, 0000 hrs IST,Shobaa De

"Bad news across the border is good news in India," commented seasoned journalist Asif Noorani in an impassioned email. The e-greeting by Nitya Anand Chepuri (author of the controversial book 'Tarbela Damned – Pakistan Tamed'), was more ominous. It read, "Fireworks will be provided from the other side of our western border this Diwali." So... what is the real story? I spoke to Noorani to get a better understanding of the action from someone who is right there in the trenches, so to speak. He scoffed at the misrepresentation of the situation in India. Like he put it, "Our children are going to school as usual...we are at work...the streets are calm. I'm happy to say, our Emergency is nothing like yours." Noorani, an old India hand, was in Chennai (Madras, in those days), when Indira Gandhi declared 'our' Emergency.

According to Asif, people were so paranoid, he was told not to speak to even a taxi driver, as that person could be a spy. He gleefully gloated during his spirited defence of Pakistan's General, "Musharraf is far less brutal than his predecessors, especially while dealing with opponents. What is Bhutto's record? Or Nawaz Sharif's? There is far more personal freedom in Pakistan at present, than ever before. Today, lawyers can stand up to a military dictator...what more do you want?" I checked with some other friends in Karachi, and the story was pretty much the same. "There are no protestors on the street... life is pretty calm. So, the Fashion Week got cancelled, but who cares?" Noorani's dismissal of the issue was complete when he stated cynically that people on both sides of the border share exactly the same, rather pleb concerns – the price of cheeni! He added jauntily that i could relax and ask him whatever i wanted to — "Don't worry, i won't be arrested at the end of this phone call."

As someone (me!) who had been directly affected by Gandhi's deplorable handling of the nation in general and the media in particular, during one of the worst, most shameful times in India's history, what Noorani was claiming , sounded like a 'Dream Emergency'! He boasted about the professional class in Pakistan having woken up for the first time, as a positive fallout of the current situation. He also asked what the alternative was to the General (''there are no uncorrupt politicians to take over from him.."). For a man who can be safely described as a liberal in a repressed society, i was rather intrigued by Asif's stand. He was not giving me a well-rehearsed spiel, and to the best of my knowledge, he is not on the General's payroll. In fact, Noorani is often teased by colleagues, who call him an Indian agent! Sugar coating? Or a balanced point of view from a sane scribe not given to hyperbole? Who then, is the villain of the piece?

However, happenings across the border are certainly sounding a whole lot better-scripted than our two Bollywood Diwali Dhamakas. One is as over-pumped up as the hero's muscles, and the other has audiences weeping with frustration. There was just too much riding on poor SRK's sixpack, while the missing 'butt shot' in the other mega production, took care of that imbalance. Meanwhile, India lost to Pakistan, which definitely doesn't qualify as cricket's 'phuljhadi moment' for us.

Today is Brother's Day across India. If one stretches that a little further, it is a day to honour a special bond and renew positive feelings. I am in such a smarmy, sentimental and 'Mush-y' mood, I feel like phoning the General and calling him over for some traditional Maharashtrian 'faraal'. Maybe his emergency is better than ours, but all emergencies are essentially bad and anti-people. There is no such thing called a 'good' emergency. As a concerned sister from across the border, that would be my simple and heartfelt message to Parvez bhai — call it off, brother.

Re:67

Hamidm2 Sahib,
Long time....
I hope you have been good or bad as you usually are here but nevertheless always funny.

Ah, the political quandry in Pakistan....lets come back to it...

Everybody already knows that Zeemax is a very manly man who spends his weekends knowing the right and wrong holes of Chowk members....Hahahaha....

Does creepiness ever reach a Zenith with this Namoona!

Oh well,
I havent seen tahmed around....
Must say salam to the old chap......

and Hamidm2 Sahib,
This was hardly a discussion of sexual matters, although I do think we should start one...

about Pakistani men and their Impotencies! Physical, Psychological or Political...........Hahaha

To get out of this mess....

PRESIDENT: Benazir Bhutto or Nawaz/Imran

PM: Mushahid Hussain or Shortcut Aziz

COAS: Pervez Musharraf or ?

Chief Justice: Iftikhar Chaudhry or Reema

All Parties Meeting (actually Mushahid Hussains idea)

Venue: Nirala Sweets (hamidm's idea).

Chief Election Commisioner: tahmed (so nobody gets out of line)

Dress Code: Black Shirts..

Where is YLH?

If he does not return soon, Arjun and bjkumar

will declare victory and THEN what will they do?

Ras

shoresahib and zeemax,

.... see what i mean? ....... nobody cares about the political quandary in pakistan except gill sahib and tahmed ... i think even tahmed has come to his senses and is taking a wait and see approach .......

.... carry on with your discussion of sexual matters - it is a lot more interesting than the mush/bb saga .......

Re: #65

Mr. Zeemax,

I never announced that whether I am a passive or active gay.

Thats for me to know, and for you to never find out!

I thought when someone was gay, he or she was just gay!

When did I invite men to be my sexual partners here?

Do you have any proof or you just pull things out of your behind to fling your crap!

Each time you do, you show your littleness!

Not just in mental stature but also where it counts the most for a man....

Does it make you feel like more of a "MAN" to pick on the likes of me and others?

Does flinging your oral feces give your impotency a lift Viagra could never provide.....
and does it make your member really engorged and stiff to dehumanize some people on chowk and call them with labels.....

Tsk tsk tsk

How pathetic truly....

Oh grow up, please!

Henceforth, You are being ignored by me.

#64 Posted by ShoreSahib,

I thought you announced openly that you were a passive gay on Chowk, and everyone knows that. You actually invited men here to be your sexual partners. Is that not true?

I don't actually care if it is, because you're in good company. There's another one named khaki something advertising his bottom.

Re: #63

Dear Mr. Zeemax,

I never claimed any proclivities..............

You only assumed what your dirty mind wanted to.....

Its You who is obsessed with man-holes and their uses....

Not me...

I never accused anyone of doing anything "right" or "wrong" with their hole..

Frankly, its their personal business...

Honestly, I really don't care either way whether you remove the ten foot pole from your hole....or whether it even exists!

Its none of my business!!!!!

and I would advise you to refrain from making assumptions about people you know nothing about.

#60 Posted by ShoreSahib,

I thought the man-hole was designed to expel some refuse and not to insert some in it. But you obviously have different proclivities.

#57 Posted by hamidm2,

Hamidm2, more and more I kept being drawn to your POV (except your ramblings about camels and the rest etc). I like Sheikh Rashid too. He tells the truth when he calls himself a UKP which he is. That's courage. Not honor though, but what do ranghars know about honor?

Is he from your 'halqa'? I'll vote for him even if not registered in that 'halqa'. That's a promise :)

pureland has reached rock bottom and started drilling..

east bangladesh cancels cricket tour of west bangladesh

Bangladesh postpones its under-19 tour of Pakistan for security concerns

DHAKA, Bangladesh: Bangladesh's cricket oversight body said Friday it has ordered its under-19 team not to fly to Pakistan due to security concerns.

The Bangladesh Cricket Board said in a statement it made the decision after Bangladesh's diplomatic mission in the Pakistani city of Karachi asked it to postpone a planned tour.

The team was scheduled to fly late Friday to play five one-day matches and a four-day match against the Pakistani under-19 side.

The team had been originally scheduled to leave Bangladesh on Wednesday but the departure was rescheduled because of political turmoil in Pakistan, where President General Pervez Musharraf declared a state of emergency last Saturday.

The International Cricket Council earlier this week halted the women's World Cup qualifiers in Pakistan, while an ICC delegation inspecting facilities for next year's Champions Trophy left the country early for security concerns.

Re: #55

Now how would you know that.

Perhaps Zardari believes in tilling his Munkooha Kheti backwards and fowards....

and secondly,

Zeemax Sahib,

Didnt your mother or grandmother teach you that if you cant speak with the hole just below your nose, you shouldn't speak with the other one.

and thirdly, are you the official expert on holes, and their myriad uses?

fourthly, we are all given orifices for various purposes. I use mine for whatever pleases me, as it is my body and my unalienable right to do so....

But you on the other hand, Sir; Use yours the way you seem fit, and by God, I dont even want to think about that.....

Aadaab, Hazrat!

Re: # 57

mohar mian,

..... and one more thing ... this jihadi thing was very popular with everyone during the russian occupation of afghanistan and we all thought that what is good for the america must be good for us ........ wrong! .... heck, even i thought it was a great idea to use these smelly tribals as bashibazouks against the occupation forces in iok ..... wrong! .......

... so sheikh rashid was not the only one - everyone from ronald reagen to hamidm1 thought it was a great idea ....... so please, give him the visa .... the man is a gem among the watwani stones of paki politicians ........ thank you for your kind consideration

actually that's "kleptocrat in hermes scarf who has been annointed PM of the land of the pure"..and there's nothing abdul paki can do about the hermes scarf or the PM appointment.

Re: # 56

mohar mian,

... sheikh rashid is a good man .... the only reason he was a 'jihadi enabler' is because the military won't do what it is paid to do ...... it wants to run the country instead of adjusting the line of control which it tried to subcontract to the jihadis ..... bad idea! .... now we are paying the price with the blowback ......

...... i aplogize on behalf of sheikh rashid and promise not to do it again ....... the loc will be fixed using conventional means - infantry, armor an artillery with proper air and naval support ......

... sorry for the mix-up ....please give sheikh sahib the visa - he is an big cricket fan and is generally well behaved ... however, i can't promise he will not try to pick up some bollywood item girl - sheik sahib is a bachelor and has the roving eye ......

prime minister sheikh rashid zindabad !

Hamid

Dude - your idol, this Sheikh Rashid guy - it seems the dude was some kind jihadi enabler [in pakiland, who isn't ?] and got his visa denied by New Delhi, the dude wanted to watch cricket in india... and it seems he was crying in live TV over this - about his "struggle" to get the visa... in the middle "emergency" rule in his country... :)

I mean - what's wrong with you pakis?... Why are you people so stupid and delusional?... :)

#54 Posted by ShoreSahib,

At-least she gets it pointed at the right whole.

I love that comment about Benazir...

"a kleptocrat in a Hermes headscarf."

She is precisely that, and so much more......

Way to go Jemima dearie!

#52 Posted by freethinker,

That's at least two weeks outdated, and thrashed about on UP.

Thanks for your effort though.

On a lighter note, read Jemima Khan's (Imran Khan's ex-wife) views regarding BeNazir in the following which were published at Telegraph.co.uk.

Mohammad Gill
____________________________________________________________
Benazir Bhutto, a kleptocrat in a Hermes scarf

By Jemima Khan
Last Updated: 12:01am BST 21/10/2007

She's back. Hurrah! She's a woman. She's brave. She's a moderate. She speaks good English. She's Oxford-educated, no less. And she's not bad looking either.

I admit I'm biased. I don't like Benazir Bhutto. She called me names during her election campaign in 1996 and it left a bitter taste. Petty personal grievances aside, I still find jubilant reports of her return to Pakistan depressing. Let's be clear about this before she's turned into a martyr.

This is no Aung San Suu Kyi, despite her repeated insistence that she's "fighting for democracy", or even more incredibly, "fighting for Pakistan's poor".
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This is the woman who was twice dismissed on corruption charges. She went into self-imposed exile while investigations continued into millions she had allegedly stashed away into Swiss bank accounts ($1.5 billion by the reckoning of Musharraf's own "National Accountability Bureau").

She has only been able to return because Musharraf, that megalomaniac, knows that his future depends on the grassroots diehard supporters inherited from her father's party, the PPP.

As a result, Musharraf, who in his first months in power declared it his express intention to wipe out corruption, has dropped all charges against her and granted her immunity from prosecution. Forever.

Notably, he did not do the same for his other political rival, Nawaz Sharif, who was recently deported after attempting his own spectacular return to Pakistan.

But the difference is that Benazir is a pro at playing to the West. And that's what counts. She talks about women and extremism and the West applauds. And then conspires.

The Americans and the British are acutely aware that their strategy in the region is failing and that Musharraf's hold on power is ever more tenuous. They have pressed hard for Benazir and the General to cut a deal that would allow them to share power for the next five years in a "liberal forces government".

It's all totally bogus. Benazir may speak the language of liberalism and look good on Larry King's sofa, but both her terms in office were marked by incompetence, extra-judicial killings and brazen looting of the treasury, with the help of her husband — famously known in Pakistan as Mr 10 Per Cent.

In a country that tops the international corruption league, she was its most self-enriching leader.

Benazir has always cynically used her gender to manipulate: I loved her answer to David Frost when he asked her how many millions she had in her Swiss bank accounts. "David, I think that's a very sexist question."

A non sequitur (does loot have a gender?) but one that brought the uncomfortable line of questioning to a swift end.

Of all Pakistan's elected leaders she conspicuously did the least to help the cause of women. She never, for example, repealed the Hudood Ordinances, Pakistan's controversial laws that made no distinction between rape and adultery.

She preferred instead to kowtow to the mullahs in order to cling to power, forming an expedient alliance with Pakistan's Religious Coalition Party and leaving Pakistan's women as powerless as she found them.

The problem is that the West never seems to learn; playing favourites in a complicated nation's politics always backfires. Imposing Benazir on Pakistan is the opposite of democratic and doubtless will cause more chaos in an already unstable country.

Make no mistake, Benazir may look the part, but she's as ruthless and conniving as they come — a kleptocrat in a Hermes headscarf.

Re: # 46

if ever media was to be independent, it should first learn to be independent.

NEWS ALERT (particular with Geo) - Benazir has boarded the plane,
NEWS ALERT 2 - Benazir has acquired the boarding pass and proceeding to the waiting lounge.
NEWS ALERT 3 - Benazir sneezes, Naheed Khan wipes it out, sherry jealous, Zardari comforts latter.

What the B.S? Is this media or lollypop sucking stageshow overdone with fluffy colours?

To allay your concerns to drive out Pakistan from this quandary is to bring all related politicians and those arms which empower such politicians, whether good or vice, honest or otherwise; bring them all under the sun, under the knife.

Give legislation and Law the chance.

We need a veerappan to have a check on this oft deviating landlords.

Lord have mercy..
These people fixated on our defunct constitution.

Is this the same constitution that has been manipulated, toyed with, poked, prodded, and changed since its inception by our very leaders...

and this constitution is not the original one if I remember, I guess it dates back from 1973.....after we lost East Pakistan.

#41 Posted by Zyxius on November 10, 2007 4:57:56 am

the chances of shortcut filling in wolfowitz's shoes(or shah riza's for that matter) are ZERO...

any US administration that nominated a non-american would get raked over the coals on capitol hill.

Re:42

Very Good point.

I hope we Pakistanis can wake up and smell the Sabz Chai.

Dr. Gill, again, totally lack of the topical most issue. You have not discussed the gagging of the media (you would not be in a quandary if Musharraf stays clear from thrashing the private media). Watching PTV it is sickening. Right now there is a weirdo by the name of Zaineb Ansari (from a Karachi based PR agency) emotionally telling us the merits of dictatorship. Maybe you would feel right at home sitting next to her.

The media is a pillar whose ultimate job is to keep the incumbent government in check. It is enshrined in our constituion. Mushrraf has to stay clear from attacking it.

jokers are wild

Re: # 43

zyxius,

...... as an avid fan of professional wrestling - colloquially known as noora kushti - i was able to spot this dramabazi from day zero (or jeero, as our horrible hindoo friends would say) .......

..... but don't loose heart yet because there is a wild card even though it too is a joker - nawaz sharif ! ... if he is pulled out of the deck, the game can take off in a new direction unless the general and the thieves of gujarat can really fix the elections ......

........ it is not over yet ...

p.s. on the other hand, abdul paki doesn't give a hoot and life is going on as usual unless they decide to block murree road again for a whole day .... the maid showed up on time this morning and as long as the neighbor is willing to share his dish antenna and people can watch this wrestling match, everyone is happy .......

Re: # 42
That was good!!!!
And yes the obvious could not have been more obvious than that!!!

Zyxius,

....she tends to complain that everybody didn't move out of the way and didn't give her enough of a chance.

It was the Karachi bomb and the 158 corpses of her workers delivered as a house-warming party gift. Do you think MQM/PML(Q) is going to hand Sindh to her on a plate?

If you watch CNBC today you will notice the brat witch (Bibi) protesting and making statements and even being able to go to the judges colony. In a time when television is totally controlled by the state and we all know that no one is allowed to do this kind of thing without government approval, Bibi is out there convincing people that this display is not with government collusion. God...we Pakistanis are so friggin dumb...I think we deserve her!

Oh...and my prediction about Short Cut Aziz is as follows:

Considering that Pakistan was one of the few countries in the world that was against the World Bank President automatically being an American, one had to wonder why Pakistan was one of 4-5 countries that took this stand. After all, Pakistan is an American sub-state so it shouldn't have dared uttered a peep in this regard. Well ladies and gentlemen, I think in taking this step Mr Shortcut has tipped his hand as to what he would like to do next.

I think that ShortCut will likely try to make the next round of selections after Robert Zoellick, whom Shortcut just met with by the way, completes his term. Of course, this means that he must have impeccable pro-American credentials...and what do you know...he really does....just gotta keep them up now. I guess this means that he's going to be in no mood to defy the American desire to see the witch take his place.

Sirjee, masadi sahib....where are those hidden social structures you have been alluding to in some of your other posts? While us morons can't hope to see that which is obviously in front of our noses...maybe you can demonstrate the right way as you have so graciously reminded us repeatedly is your (and the members of this "social structure") sovereign domain.

Sirjee...what is the right way? Please elaborate practical steps which are likely to take place rather than speak of building castles in the sky as is the case of so many of the idealists who keep speaking about democracy and institutions. We all read in our own dimwitted way what democracy is and I am sure you could certainly give us a lecture on democracy and the institutions that go with it...but what is actually practical in Pakistan in this next year?

Although I don't belong to one of those hidden social structures of which you are obviously a member, I have a few predictions of my own: Considering that the trouble making judges are now gone and the threat of the amnesty deal being reversed is now gone, Bibi will likely go around loud mouthing as she usually does garnering support from the west and whichever Pakistani fools are willing to follow her. This will likely be done with a wink and a nod between the Americans, Mushy's boys, and Bibi's rats. With all the ducks lined up, Bibi will sell out all those poor idealistic fools who believed that crap about democracy and make a deal with Mushy publicly...of course...the deal will likely have already been executed privately. In the end, what was planned a few months ago will take place; Mushy will be Prez while the Witch (Bibi) will be the PM.

A prediction for a little longer term: Everything will blow up in their faces in less than 24 months. Its just not possible for someone like the Witch (Bibi) to work with others....she tends to complain that everybody didn't move out of the way and didn't give her enough of a chance. We'll all be here still having the same discussion about democracy and institutions and nothing will change.

Okay, I read the last line:

Who will break this quandary or how can Pakistan escape from this quandary is not clear yet.

Thing is, Pakistan cannot technically reverse this action and restore the constitution and everything hunky dory back again even if it wants and even if elections are held as Musharraf says. Reasons are as follows:

1) The constitution allows for declaration of 'emergency' by the President and suspension of some human rights in Articles 232/233, but it certainly does not allow for the entire constitution to be suspended and replaced with a 'Provisional Constitution Order' written by the Chief of Army Staff, which in effect is a new constitution or simply - Martial-Law - though Government has not termed it as such because the Parliaments stand which have always been correctly dissolved during the previous Martial-Laws.

However, the Government Advocate General as well as Dr. Sher Afgan, the Parliamentary Secretary, have accepted the action taken as extra constitutional, on television, which is accurate.

2) The action has been reaffirmed by the Parliament in its session, but then the Parliament itself is a constitutional body deriving its power from the constitution, and stands suspended alongwith the constitution. It cannot be so that the constitution is suspended while the parliaments and senate stand. The status of the parliamentarians is now no better than audience in an auditorium, and no act by them is constitutional or of any lawful validity in any future restoration of constitution.

3) If after an election the constitution is restored, the suspended higher judiciary will have to be reinstated and all the judges having taken oath under the PCO will have to be dismissed.

4) If the constitution and superior judiciary is reinstated, Article 6 will apply for subverting the constitution, which carries a minimum penalty of life imprisonment and a maximum of death. This article will not only apply to Musharraf, but also on all the sitting parliament members including the Prime Minister who have reaffirmed it, as well as the judges who have taken an oath under the PCO.

5) To avoid the implication of above Article 6, any parliament which is elected will require a 2/3rd majority (of the entire parliament strength and not only amongst the voting members) to amend the constitution to legitimize the action and nullify Article 6.

6) If above cannot be done, Musharraf will be at risk of hanging, or at a minimum, a life sentence. To avoid that possibility, he will need to leave the country for asylum. But that again will leave hundreds of parliament members and dozens of judges under the mandatory punishments of Article 6.

How many here think the above risks will be taken for an election and restoration of constitution? Is a 2/3rd parliamentary majority possible by Musharraf's allies PML (Q) plus MQM? Going by the latest indicator, Musharraf got a 56% majority in his Pres election, and that was before the Martial-Law. He'll need 67% after this mess.

Without going into the dynamics of the current PML (Q) and PPP war, where's he going to come up with a 67% majority? And then, there's Nawaz Sharif who cannot be kept away for long. His return will change the entire power equation and mean an end to PML (Q).

This is why I have no doubt that no elections will be held. The present assemblies' tenures will be extended by another year or more. The PCO will remain and so will Musharraf.

I.e. till the entire applecart is overturned by either a mass civil uprising which cannot be crushed (not likely), or a counter coup from within the army (fairly likely) or the Jihadis just inching forward and making the working of the federation impossible, resulting in anarchy (Very likely).

Dear Dr. Gill -- disappointing article -- there is a disconnect in your column with the present horror in Pakistan.

If this "military government is illegal" then why not talk about that -- instead of devoting the almost entire article on 'vices' of democracy -- is this the time to talk about "Benazir and Nawaz SHarif had their chance twice and failed" -- in a pre 9/11 Pakistan.

Well -- the military dictators had their chance 4 times and they failed every time -- as this blasted martial law in 2007 would attest to it -- broadcasting the soiled image of the country to each and every corner of the world -- on a daily basis.

Can you imagine a country like nuclear Pakistan -- with no functioning Court system right now -- with its judges under house arrest -- its lawyers bludgeoned and bloodied thrown in jail -- and its criminals bombing around free?

Sorry to say your article is rather off the mark Gill sahib. "Baith kay masjid meiN voh kurtay hai maikhaanay ki baat".

"Who will break this quandary or how can Pakistan escape from this quandary is not clear yet."

When non-political elitists such as Roedad Khan etc stop behaving like rulers and the PEOPLE of Pakistan are allowed to decide for themselves.

Too wordy to read. Can anyone kindly tell what the article's central theme is? Thanks.

'US should back Musharraf to secure nuke weapons'

United Nations (PTI): Former American Ambassador to the United Nations John Bolton said the Bush administration's continued support to President Pervez Musharraf is necessary to prevent nuclear weapons from falling into the hands of terrorists and fundamentalists.

He blamed the present American government for "contributing to the instability in Pakistan by not strongly supporting Musharraf".

Promoting his new book, "Surrender Is Not An Option", Bolton wanted the US to focus less on election and more on ensuring that al-Qaeda terrorists do not lay hands on nuclear weapons.

Expressing doubt that a civilian government in Pakistan could keep military under control or nuclear weapons out of the reach of terrorists and fundamentalists, Bolton said he was not defending Musharraf.

"But I am here to say that an appreciation of Pakistani history doesn't give much reason for confidence that a civilian leader can keep the military under control and keep the nuclear weapons secure," he said.

Bolton resigned as the US Ambassador to United Nations following stiff opposition from the members in Senate which was unlikely to confirm him to the post. He now works at a Washington-based conservative think tank, American Enterprise Institute.

Bolton said the highest strategic interest of the United States should be to ensure that weapons of mass destruction remain secure. He wants the United States to learn from the experience of enforcing elections in Palestinian territories that resulted in the victory of Hamas.

tango 33,

Give me a break, you mean to say that there are areas in karachi where there are no school going children with a birth rate of more than 3.

Re: # 26
How does this news mean that missing kids are in madrisah? Its not the only school in area. Most of the government schools face the problem that the number of students is too large. I have been teaching at a college and the strength of one section in 2006 in first year was 125 and there were a total of 16 sections. Everey year thousands of applications are rejected in our college and all of those kids come from schools.
I sometimes feel ashamed how our intellectuals manipulate situations or atleast try to manipulate for their vested interests

I agree to #14 by VRV

I agree. One such essay is, "Emergency:What Lies Ahead For Pakistan?" It only has 9 hits. Here is an excerpt:
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"Once again Pakistan is in a state of emergency, this time imposed by the Chief of Army Staff who also wears the hat of the President. A PCO has been declared by the Army Chief and the media gagged. The conclusion of this modes operandi is simple and needs no thesis. In Pakistan, political power flowsfrom the barrel of a gun. The politic body, already decimated, raped and largely turned into a mob of opportunist has yet again been put on the dissecting table for surgical procedure by butchers.......

Having divided itself in 1971, West Pakistan now faces its gravest challenges. Warlords and Islamic militants rule the FATA and PATA. Balochistan is beset with insurgency. Counter insurgency operations are not producing any results. Even routine movement of armed forces in settled areas is dangerous. Moderates and nationalists are isolated and excluded. Religious rightists are on the rise. Gun running continues with impunity. Supporters of some political parties are armed to the teeth. Civil society is left with no space to operate. The military is isolated. The entire landscape is grey patrolled by agencies.

So where do the latest events lead to? If past military interventions were a measure, my immediate reaction is nowhere! A PCO flowing out of the barrel of a gun cannot put the train of democracy back on the track. The ghost of 1935 has grown in power and the mindset behind it is at best self serving. In this gloomy picture, even ‘Nowhere’ implies a status quo.

Are we heading much beyond; towards a disaster?

http://www.chowk.com/articles/12888
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Though I did not comment, which I normally do not do, I found most of the heavy weights missing.

Gill writes "Who will break this quandary or how can Pakistan escape from this quandary is not clear yet."

Nothing is clear to you because you have half baked, tape-recorderesque, summarizing without understanding type of "knowledge", and waste your time and ours in producing article after article when you could be doing something better to fill you time "THINKING!".

Solutions cannot be imposed like a magic spell to fix things over night such are the hypocritical claims of military dictators and thier rule shows how miserably they fail to fulfill their hypocritical promises; change at first needs to be mandated into law (the means to law cannot be unlawful) to make it habitual, institutions develop over time, but the mandate needs to be "people centric" and not ulterior motive centric to protect the turf of thugs, both the lower (army) and the higher (the US elite) and an insitutions (army) whose corruption easily eclipses the well advertised corruption of the civilian prime minister and presidents, ten times over I might add.

A good article which takes a middling view and does pose some questions...
However, I do think that our focus is often too much on corruption and individual politicians....
Democracy is not an electoral process only...
It should be viewed as a complete framework which has strong institutions dedicated to playing their role in the society...
The role of Judivciary, Parliament and President may be reviewed in this context....

"In the meanwhile, official quarters are trying very hard to brush aside the impression that the decision pertaining to the general elections without much delay was taken as the result of the US President George Bush’s ‘frantic’ telephone call on late Wednesday evening."

From jANG OF TODAY,
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I recall the the quote by YLH from teh speech by Jinnah on 13 august 1947,

...now you are free..you can have any govt of your choice as long as you obey the phone call.... The enemies of islam I have demolished from this land of teh pure...they can only make phone calls and obeying them will not diminish the freedom...

Loved the piece, Mr. Gill. Voice of rationality among the chaos. :)

We have heard that so many times on chowk, in pakistan children are sent to madrassas because there are no govt schools. The people of pakistan want their children to study science and other kafir subjects...blah blah

Here is the proof that the pakis really want theor children to be jihadis

rfrom jang of today


More teachers than students in school
Saturday, November 10, 2007
By our correspondent

Karachi

A government school in the city is running short of students with the result that the number of teachers is larger than the number of students admitted in the school.

Mehnaz Government Boys Lower Secondary School is situated at Keamari, near the shrine of Pir Haji Ghaib Shah. The school in question operates in the second shift.

The number of the total staff deputed here is seven. Out of seven, five are teachers, one is a peon and the other is a watchman/guard.

Interestingly, the number of students here is just four. Only two students are regular in their attendance while the other two remain absent sporadically. Sufiyan, Waqas and Azhar are students of class seven and Faisal is a student of class eight. Azhar is very punctual in his attendance and so is Waqas.

Maldives suspects 'in Pakistan'
Map of Maldives
Police in the Maldives say 10 suspects in a bomb attack on foreign tourists in September, which wounded 12, are on the run in Pakistan.

A police spokesman told Reuters they were seeking support from Interpol to arrest the fugitives.

Eleven suspects are already in custody for the 29 September attack near a mosque in the capital Male.

From bbc of today.

Where is the center of terror

Something more odd happened just a day after the trashing of the Constitution: the hush-hush release of over 20 men on Nov 4 accused of planning suicide bombings, and their handing over to the militant commander, Baitullah Mehsud, in return for the release of over 200 captured army personnel. Included in this number was Sohail Zeb, Mehsud’s cousin, caught allegedly with a suicide jacket on. How would this help the fight against terrorism?

The above is from Ayaz Amir in dawn of today.

This is a clear indication that the emergency is aimed at saving the pak military from the jihadis.

Now the jihadis have a free hand in pakistan and more are being sent to kashmir as the pak army cannot deliver shehdad to their own.

To the Author,

I am so glad that people like you and Nadeem Paracha exist.

I am so sick of these champions of Pakistani Rights...the so called Judiciary of Pakistan and the lawyers constantly screaming murder at President Musharraf and the army....

Yes, Military rule is not the greatest thing....but I would take Musharraff over Mohtarma and Caliph Nawaz Sharif any day......

Both Mohtarma and Mr. Shariff should be barred from taking part in Pakistani elections...

Yes, we are at a loss as a People....

Yes, we are a failed state.....

and if not Musharraf, then whom?

Could it be someone who is a political moderate.....An enlightened being who would do away with the ills plaguing Pakistani society....

perhaps a prayer at this time,

"O Allah, You do not change the condition of a people who do not change themselves, but still, I beseech thee so that you may cause a great leader to rise up from within the ranks of our ailing society in great pain."

"O Allah, Create compassion within us as a nation"

"O Allah, Let us fight towards justice for the weak, the poor, and the downtrodden"

"O Allah, Let us be guided by your infinite wisdom and have mercy on our nation and our people".

"O Allah, We ask you to heal our spirits, and mend our psychological wounds, and we ask your forgiveness for our transgressions against each other".

"O, Allah! In your holy name we beg for your mercy. Grant us Peace everlasting".

you know you've hit rock bottom when even lobbyists think you're a lost cause..remember..these are the people who will sell the benefits of smoking..


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Pakistan embassy tries to put good face on cancelled lobbying contract

By Khalid Hasan

WASHINGTON: In an effort to put a good face on the cancellation by Cassidy & Associates of a $1.2 million lobbying contract because of Musharraf’s government being ‘unsellable’ and the situation in Pakistan, the Pakistan embassy has stated that the contract was in a “trial” stage cancelled by mutual agreement.
However, the facts are otherwise. Cassidy acted honourably by saying that it was no longer in a position to deliver on the contract in an effective manner and hence it was pulling out.
Here is the text of the Pakistan embassy press release issued on Friday, “Responding to questions related to the withdrawal of Cassidy & Associates from the contract, the Embassy spokesman said that the contract for one year was still at the trial phase when during the course of the first month of association, both the Embassy of Pakistan and Cassidy & Associates, came to the conclusion that the latter could not effectively implement the contract as lobbyist. As a result, Cassidy & Associates asked for withdrawal from the contract that the Embassy has accepted, the spokesman added.”

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Re: # 10
I did not see in morning newspapers, seems some new advisor ?

Re: # 9 Mr. H with best respects to you. Some body said I am fool as I said MQM mental superiority over Punjabis and sindhis... etc. But man said Pathans are best in that dept.
I do not understand.
Most intelligent Pathan Big Khan was given favor by general by house arrest and elevated him . Now General wants to discredit and make fool of him like his Mughal forefather. He sets a trap and Big Khan walks in to it. Police watch him going back doors in car from his "house Prison". The police call general what to do, general replies give him chance to make a fool of him.
Now Big Khan is out like a big tiger from Zoo. Freedom is problem as Big Khan is in search of some mission. No mission nothing in sight like zoo tiger can not catch anything wants to go back to zoo cage and want feast of chopped livers. He comes back and hopes for arrest and police ask him to go home. Now out of respect as he defeated India cricket had given chance to enhance his image
and man blows up given chance. He never understood HOUSE ARREST is previlage not RIGHT as he is demanding. Now he is most intelligent pathan.
Once Romair said is right Pathan is state of mind.
Will you concede President has really humilated Big Khan, NS and has made Laughing stock of Mrs Bhutto so shown Mughal brain superiority over Punjabi, sindhi expms and big Pathan ?
Now BB ns may be big democrat and both religious and big Khan womens right emancipator but we need some body who will not be deceived by outsiders, in that case by default even usa and China and India have supported brain over bran from heartlands of Pakistan a simple humble Mohajir from nonpompous Karachi.
I was and most will happy to hear YLH is all right, was bit worried by rough treatment to lawyers.
I guess you and your buddies are having fun of life sittimg there with liquid refreshmnts and enjoying uncomforts of lawyers and BB and NS and best of Big Khan Predicment. ( It is said pathan always do things and then try to understand what was done)_.
I think never thought all so such Lafangebazi by so many people in such short time.
Hope not disturbing your buddies and mind altering and relaxing liquid refreshment sessions.
Respectfully submitted

BJ,

Did u see the Scandinavian peninsula? It's one unit but torn into two nations i.e Noorwy & Sweden. I dont think the ppl in the peninsula are any different - racially, culturally - in Norway and Sweden. We have a lesson to learn from them.

Some Indians are too sentimental abt Pakistan. You are one of them. :(

#17 Hamidm2 sahib

Look, I admit I have not read Dr. Gill's piece yet (but I intend to). It is just the opening lines from the Jinnah that got my goat up, going, running around, prancing, and doing all kinds of mad acrobatics!

My advice to Dr. Gill is - sir, if you want to deal with your subject matter in an honest way, kindly do not start with dishonest quotes! Perhaps in Pakistan, every piece must start with a praise of the Jinnah like in Canada they sing "God save the queen!"

But sometimes, it is not a good idea to be sheepishly subservient to past precedence!

Re: # 15

bj mian,

.............. uh????????

chaccha jee #12,


I want to be the ruler you see, not be ruled. "Government by the people"? hmm? Rings a bell? mayhaps?

So the BB musharraf alliance is the same old same, stinks.

Freethinker,

Jinnah had a lot of words – but he had no dreams! Mohamed Ali Jinnah was not into dreaming – he was into winning his cases, come what may! This talk about losing a religious label should be tagged as one of the most dishonest of talks ever let loose on humanity – because it was uttered over the dead bodies of millions of innocent human beings – whose deaths resulted from the direct deeds of that man, who never betrayed the slightest degree of compunction for his role!

Creating Pakistan on such a foundation of hatred for the “other”was little different from taking a lot of toxic dump, burying it underneath and covering it up with dirt and planting a garden! Yes, a garden!

True, one can write many poems praising the beauty of the garden but only the morons of the highest order would expect the fruits of such a garden, whose roots derive sustenance from that toxic dump, to be less than deadly!

In Pakistan today, the khakis take by force what they want – just like every other Pakistani ruler takes by force what he or she wants – like the Mushy did, like the Nawaj did, like the BeeB did, like the Zia did, like all those khaki Khans did, like all their predecessors did – they all took by force what they wanted!

Because they all did just like the Jinnah took by force what he wanted!

Dr. Gill wrote well but why so many articles as if Chowk is a daily newspaper? Weekly or bi-weekly is bearbale but no daily.

They published more than 10 articles since the Emergency was declared in Pakistan. It's pathetic that some good articles are gone to history in a matter of 2-3 days. Some had less than 100 hits?!?!

Coming to the topic, there are 3 disticnt grops in Pakistan that are pulling the country in three different directions with an invisible fourth group i.e the US is pulling Pakistan in its own direction. The pseudo-democrats (BB, NS types; Imran Khan is joker in the pack, btw), Musharraf and the Termites i.e Taliban. While Temrites are eating up the country from north-west and north, Mush is digging his heels deep in the (false?) hope of getting blind US support, which he had it till now.

When Talibs are @ the door-step of Pakistan's capital the real contingent plans of CIA become known (safeguarding the nuclear assets in Pakistan).

Pseudo-democrats want elections at any cost in the hope that ppl wud elect them per force. Since Talibs dont care for anything other than Sharia, the Mushites and pseudo-democrats shud join hands to form a National Government to stem the tide of Talibans into the plains of Pakistan. Bickering is not going to help the country.

Me think that this Pakistan emergency is iran proxy war with SA, and the US is still confused about the whole thing. NWFP kills shia military personnel but lets the sunnis military personnel go free. More to come between shia sunni war on the streets of Pakistan, if SA does not tell this confused general to take a hike.

#11 brilliant argument: they didnt have perfect checks and balances before, so in future there should be no checks and balances at all.

I can understand why geniuses like you want to ruled by some other man - you couldnt think your way out of an open door.

"Don't you think such a judiciary would have applied proper checks and balances in the smooth running of democracy....."

Bhatti sahib,

That is funny. Yes the judiciary did put in place the checks and balances during the BB and NS era :D

That's why BB and NS are locked up for 25 years each!

BEAKING NEWS! ... Bobby the Brain Heenan appointed as musharraf's Chief Advisor

.......... i guess you guys also think that professional wrestling is a sport !

....... c'mon guys, get real and stop wringing your hands over this so-called "emergency" ..... take a lesson from bobby the brain heenan - it is just entertainment (or lufangebazi, as mr ahmedmadani would call it ) ....... i think we should get the wwf to supervise the 'elections' in pakistan .......

Gill Sahib, you come accross somewhat confused and naive in your article.

Why would we have a qunadary if we had independent instituions, i.e. independent judiciary , consumer protection organisations, independent state bank (independent from Ministry of finance in letter and spirit), army confined to the barracks, prmie minsiter acountable to a questioning parliment, , etc. etc.

Frankly your article lacked grey cells. And it is very odd that you are harping on about all and sundry except the topical issue. Unless you have forgotten we have just gone through an army invasion on the judicary .

we would be in less of a qunadary if people like could comprehend and recognise what our real problems are.

Gill Sahib,

Well written article. But let us go to the basics and see what is meant by democracy. We always hear the popular definition which goes as government by the people for the people. But this is what was said by an american president in nineteenth century and does not gives the whole picture.

In my opinion the democracy is "a system of governance where the state institutions are subject to the will of people."

Here important part is state institutions. When democracy is not in place one of the state institution tries to grows out of its clothes and tries to subdue other institutions (in our case it is army which has subdued other institutions to the point of destruction).

So whenever democracy comes again, it has to rebuild the state institutions; same institutions that are there to perform checks and balances. Under Musharraf, independent judiciary is totally destroyed. Don't you think such a judiciary would have applied proper checks and balances in the smooth running of democracy.....

Gill saab,

Well written article.

Sham democracy may be more harmful as it creates a disillusionment in the democratic process.

an unbiased and strong judiciary, land reforms, and new regulation for checks and balances for government administrations are essential for a real democracy. For a government by the people, for the people.

Everything else is just hair phair :D
with much respect,
thinking storm

{"Now after a decade, the same duo, Benazir and Nawaz Sharif, is hovering on the horizon of Pakistan to contest yet another election.... You can install a political government by popular vote but there are no effective checks and balances by which a political government can be kept to the straight, narrow and workable path."}


Gill Sahib,
As usual, you have eloquently and clearly stated the problem. The issue is not one of democracy but how to get rid of a democratically-elected government once it starts misbehaving in the most undemocratic manner. Another issue is what to do about the much-needed, unifrmed, and welcome fresh killer whale that removes the undemocratic civilian shark but hangs around forever like a stale and stinking sperm whale.

Re: # 1

urstruly,

.... it is friday and a dreary cold day in michigan ..... stop worrying about what abdul paki is doing in pakistan - for you and i, living in the land of opportunity, this is just entertainment ....... meet me at the bar at 5:00 .. sharp!

Muslims would cease to be


So that's why the paki army is bombing pakis..to fulfill jinnah's vision..they've sure ceased a whole lot in the years after 9/11.

#1 Posted by Urstruly on November 9, 2007 10:32:00 am


the the oppressive, corrupt and pro-Westerern elite and that people of Pakistan has come to the point that the two cannnot co-exist any more.


They can co-exist if one party moves to flint, Michigan...like you..

With a suicide attack on a Fedreal Minister today in Peshawar, it has become quite obvious that any set up that will involve this khabees dictator, will be met with deadly resistance. The Nura Kushti that the bezamir Khabees and khabees moulvis are doing right now is not fooling anyone. In other words the mortal combat between the the oppressive, corrupt and pro-Westerern elite and that people of Pakistan has come to the point that the two cannnot co-exist any more. This corrupt elite will have to become law abiding and relinquish its powers to the people of Pakistan or else get decimated.

The worst case scenario is like that in Iraq where the peons of West along with their masters have unleashed horrendous wave of criminality and violence upon the people. If this khabees stays, this inevitability is written on the wall for Pakistan.

So the choice entirely lies with that class in the society who has all the power and heavy hand above the rest; the choice is either to etablish rule of law or risk getting decimated for good.