Political Quandary in Pakistan

With a suicide attack on a Fedreal Minister today in Peshawar, it has become quite obvious that any set up that will involve this khabees dictator, will be met with deadly resistance. The Nura Kushti that the bezamir Khabees and khabees moulvis are doing right now is not fooling anyone. In other words the mortal combat between the the oppressive, corrupt and pro-Westerern elite and that people of Pakistan has come to the point that the two cannnot co-exist any more. This corrupt elite will have to become law abiding and relinquish its powers to the people of Pakistan or else get decimated.

The worst case scenario is like that in Iraq where the peons of West along with their masters have unleashed horrendous wave of criminality and violence upon the people. If this khabees stays, this inevitability is written on the wall for Pakistan.

So the choice entirely lies with that class in the society who has all the power and heavy hand above the rest; the choice is either to etablish rule of law or risk getting decimated for good.

#1 Posted by Urstruly on November 9, 2007 10:32:00 am


the the oppressive, corrupt and pro-Westerern elite and that people of Pakistan has come to the point that the two cannnot co-exist any more.


They can co-exist if one party moves to flint, Michigan...like you..

Muslims would cease to be


So that's why the paki army is bombing pakis..to fulfill jinnah's vision..they've sure ceased a whole lot in the years after 9/11.

Re: # 1

urstruly,

.... it is friday and a dreary cold day in michigan ..... stop worrying about what abdul paki is doing in pakistan - for you and i, living in the land of opportunity, this is just entertainment ....... meet me at the bar at 5:00 .. sharp!

{"Now after a decade, the same duo, Benazir and Nawaz Sharif, is hovering on the horizon of Pakistan to contest yet another election.... You can install a political government by popular vote but there are no effective checks and balances by which a political government can be kept to the straight, narrow and workable path."}


Gill Sahib,
As usual, you have eloquently and clearly stated the problem. The issue is not one of democracy but how to get rid of a democratically-elected government once it starts misbehaving in the most undemocratic manner. Another issue is what to do about the much-needed, unifrmed, and welcome fresh killer whale that removes the undemocratic civilian shark but hangs around forever like a stale and stinking sperm whale.

Gill saab,

Well written article.

Sham democracy may be more harmful as it creates a disillusionment in the democratic process.

an unbiased and strong judiciary, land reforms, and new regulation for checks and balances for government administrations are essential for a real democracy. For a government by the people, for the people.

Everything else is just hair phair :D
with much respect,
thinking storm

Gill Sahib,

Well written article. But let us go to the basics and see what is meant by democracy. We always hear the popular definition which goes as government by the people for the people. But this is what was said by an american president in nineteenth century and does not gives the whole picture.

In my opinion the democracy is "a system of governance where the state institutions are subject to the will of people."

Here important part is state institutions. When democracy is not in place one of the state institution tries to grows out of its clothes and tries to subdue other institutions (in our case it is army which has subdued other institutions to the point of destruction).

So whenever democracy comes again, it has to rebuild the state institutions; same institutions that are there to perform checks and balances. Under Musharraf, independent judiciary is totally destroyed. Don't you think such a judiciary would have applied proper checks and balances in the smooth running of democracy.....

Gill Sahib, you come accross somewhat confused and naive in your article.

Why would we have a qunadary if we had independent instituions, i.e. independent judiciary , consumer protection organisations, independent state bank (independent from Ministry of finance in letter and spirit), army confined to the barracks, prmie minsiter acountable to a questioning parliment, , etc. etc.

Frankly your article lacked grey cells. And it is very odd that you are harping on about all and sundry except the topical issue. Unless you have forgotten we have just gone through an army invasion on the judicary .

we would be in less of a qunadary if people like could comprehend and recognise what our real problems are.

.......... i guess you guys also think that professional wrestling is a sport !

....... c'mon guys, get real and stop wringing your hands over this so-called "emergency" ..... take a lesson from bobby the brain heenan - it is just entertainment (or lufangebazi, as mr ahmedmadani would call it ) ....... i think we should get the wwf to supervise the 'elections' in pakistan .......

BEAKING NEWS! ... Bobby the Brain Heenan appointed as musharraf's Chief Advisor

"Don't you think such a judiciary would have applied proper checks and balances in the smooth running of democracy....."

Bhatti sahib,

That is funny. Yes the judiciary did put in place the checks and balances during the BB and NS era :D

That's why BB and NS are locked up for 25 years each!

#11 brilliant argument: they didnt have perfect checks and balances before, so in future there should be no checks and balances at all.

I can understand why geniuses like you want to ruled by some other man - you couldnt think your way out of an open door.

Me think that this Pakistan emergency is iran proxy war with SA, and the US is still confused about the whole thing. NWFP kills shia military personnel but lets the sunnis military personnel go free. More to come between shia sunni war on the streets of Pakistan, if SA does not tell this confused general to take a hike.

Dr. Gill wrote well but why so many articles as if Chowk is a daily newspaper? Weekly or bi-weekly is bearbale but no daily.

They published more than 10 articles since the Emergency was declared in Pakistan. It's pathetic that some good articles are gone to history in a matter of 2-3 days. Some had less than 100 hits?!?!

Coming to the topic, there are 3 disticnt grops in Pakistan that are pulling the country in three different directions with an invisible fourth group i.e the US is pulling Pakistan in its own direction. The pseudo-democrats (BB, NS types; Imran Khan is joker in the pack, btw), Musharraf and the Termites i.e Taliban. While Temrites are eating up the country from north-west and north, Mush is digging his heels deep in the (false?) hope of getting blind US support, which he had it till now.

When Talibs are @ the door-step of Pakistan's capital the real contingent plans of CIA become known (safeguarding the nuclear assets in Pakistan).

Pseudo-democrats want elections at any cost in the hope that ppl wud elect them per force. Since Talibs dont care for anything other than Sharia, the Mushites and pseudo-democrats shud join hands to form a National Government to stem the tide of Talibans into the plains of Pakistan. Bickering is not going to help the country.

Freethinker,

Jinnah had a lot of words – but he had no dreams! Mohamed Ali Jinnah was not into dreaming – he was into winning his cases, come what may! This talk about losing a religious label should be tagged as one of the most dishonest of talks ever let loose on humanity – because it was uttered over the dead bodies of millions of innocent human beings – whose deaths resulted from the direct deeds of that man, who never betrayed the slightest degree of compunction for his role!

Creating Pakistan on such a foundation of hatred for the “other”was little different from taking a lot of toxic dump, burying it underneath and covering it up with dirt and planting a garden! Yes, a garden!

True, one can write many poems praising the beauty of the garden but only the morons of the highest order would expect the fruits of such a garden, whose roots derive sustenance from that toxic dump, to be less than deadly!

In Pakistan today, the khakis take by force what they want – just like every other Pakistani ruler takes by force what he or she wants – like the Mushy did, like the Nawaj did, like the BeeB did, like the Zia did, like all those khaki Khans did, like all their predecessors did – they all took by force what they wanted!

Because they all did just like the Jinnah took by force what he wanted!

chaccha jee #12,


I want to be the ruler you see, not be ruled. "Government by the people"? hmm? Rings a bell? mayhaps?

So the BB musharraf alliance is the same old same, stinks.