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Re: # 87

bhubba Paiyaan,

"But the two brain dead mohajirs. Why are mohajir brains so expensive in Pakistan? Because most of them have none."

Deliberate provocation or just plain stupid? Iam betting on tha latter. By the way, moron, this joke is for pathans and it was the mojos who wrote that joke for dummies like u.

No Democracy with a destroyed judiciary,..golden words of Ms Nasim Zahra...

The News international...

Saturday, November 10, 2007
Nasim Zehra

Islamabad: The Musharraf government's reported attempt to forcibly flown off the legitimate Chief Justice of Pakistan Iftikhar Chaudary , along with his family to Quetta did not succeed because of resistance by the Chief Justice and his family. Most of the deposed judges are under house arrest. The government hopes, and very erroneously, to gag these honorable men in the hope that the public too will forget these men and what they have stood for. The battle to roll back the serving army Chief's orders to trash the Constitution of Pakistan will indeed be centered around the national demand to restore these honorable judges. No matter how many thousands the government imprisons, the demand to r5estore the judges will spread.



There can be no genuine democracy with a destroyed judiciary. Therefore the twining of two demands is essential: the revival of the Constitution, the restoration nation-wide of the pre-PCO independent judiciary and the holding of fair and free elections under a credible care-taker set up. This crucial twining cannot be overlooked by any of the forces that have joined the debate on Pakistan's current crisis; whether the lawyers, the politicians, the media and Pakistan's friends abroad. Yet those who seem to understate or miss this point include some of Pakistan's political parties, the present government, general Parvez Musharraf and no less the United States government.



If we do not sufficiently focus on this issues, the fear is that in a couple of weeks after the weak PCO -accepting judiciary will rule general Musharraf's presidential election Constitutionally valid he will be willing to give up his army chief position and announce the holding of elections. This would satisfy Washington as it has not concerned itself with the question of the judiciary's restoration. It may have been convinced by genearl Musharraf that the judiciary has 'hindered' Pakistan's participation in the war on terrorism. Washington and London may then conclude that it is time to rejoice the return of democracy sans an independent judiciary.



Meanwhile the overwhelming majority within the PML-Q barring Mushahid Hussain, S.M Zafar and Wattoo do not care how independent or pliant is the judiciary. Finally as far as the Opposition is concerned it remains unclear how far the Opposition parties will then, after the election announcement mobilize the public to demand restoration of the judiciary. Other than sporadic statements on the need to restore the judiciary there has been no passionate and united demand by mainstream political parties, except Imran Khan demanding the restoration of the pre-PCO judiciary.



But in fact after having mutilated the independent judiciary, from which at least 55-60 judges refused to take oath and are thrown out, we will have been presented with only more of a khaki-engineered and Washington-underwritten democracy. A docile and pliable judiciary will be 'legal guarantor' of just a mutilated democracy.



Unless the destruction of the judiciary is reversed, for the next 20 years no judge will ever speak up for Constitutional rule in Pakistan. The ones who paid a price of standing up and performing their Constitutional duty must be owned and honored by the people of Pakistan. Pakistan's present and future will then hang in a limbo while the country will be ruled according to the wisdom of individuals functioning outside the discipline of the Constitution.



Meanwhile general Musharraf will have effectively destroyed the only real attempt at institutional balancing...attempt to hold State power accountable. Once Musharraf doffs his uniform the Bush government will happily accept him as a democrat..



We must continue to focus even more sharply on how the independent judiciary was ransacked and demand the restoration of the judiciary. We need to get all the political parties to clearly state their stance on general Musharraf's dismantling of the judiciary.



Our heroes, if at all we are to have any, have to be the deposed judges, the ones under house arrest, the ones who refused to take oath under the PCO, the ones who were trying desperately even if at times somewhat flamboyantly, but never unconstitutionally, to enforce rule of law in the country.
We need to popularize the phrase no democracy with a destroyed judiciary… pre-November 3 judiciary must be restored.

Re: # 88

bubba payaan,

What do we have here? Cant say anything intelligent therefore resort to grunting and moaning?

Why Kulharee can get away with posts like his #92 and even my most benign posts are censored and I am banned is because he is possibly on the miserable Chowk staff's board. The users here need to counter the efforts of this staff of misery's effort to convert this site into a propaganda network like PTV.

Dear Mr. Paracha,
I so totally agree with you.
Where are all these lawyers and the Judiciary when things that really matter to the democratic spirit of Pakistan matter. Our women......and the Repealing of the Hudood ordinance. Where is the Shor and Ha ha Kaar?
What democracy?
Benazir Bhutto was a farce during her first and second rule!
What did her democracy accomplish for Pakistan?
I dont know of any other woman far removed from the reality of the common people she so represents....I remember when she first came to Pakistan to contest Elections after the demise of Zia ul Haq, she couldnt even speak the language of the people properly........Her accent of Urdu and grammar were both atrocious......

She promised us great 5 year education programs and stabilized inflation.........
Yeah Right.....The poor still dont get the education they deserve...Which member of a provincial or national assembly sends their children to public schools....
And Inflation...yeah...It sky rocketed during her tenure of greatness and the golden age of democracy she ushered in after Zia Ul Haq....
The Champion of the people......Mr. Nawaz Sharif wasnt even worse.
Nawaz Sharif almost got us declared a terrorist state during Clinton Era. His family filled its coffers, polluted Punjab with Ittifaq foundaries waste, paid no taxes and robbed the uncivil folk blind.....


Yes, this is the democracy the judiciary wants......

Democracy in a place where Might makes Right.....

and I am not talking about the strong arm of the army....

I am referring to the industrialists and Jagirdaars who rest their behinds in the halls of our provincial and federal governments.

I just dont know that who will raise their voice for Pakistan's Silent Majority.....
Its WOMEN........
Its mothers, daughters, sisters, wives, mistresses, whores, saints.

Perhaps that day, I will think all these lawyers are fighting for something worth fighting.......

otherwise we will again have a "DEMOCRACY" where a despot idiot will almost declare himself a Caliph.and Pakistan a terrorist state

or a woman with nothing in common with the Pakistani people will rule riding the waves of her controversial father....

Sorry, the #91 meant to site #83 and not #86 of that Bihari haramzada moron Salim Chuha... sorry Salim bhaijan for an unintentional oversight. I beg your pardon. Gracias.

#86- Sharjee, when you will come out of that god forsaken subjugated oppressed land, little nobody’s like Paracha Sahib will appear really insignificant. Just as they appear from the corner office of Wall and Williams. This guy is trying too hard for his own good. Please move on. 60s Che Guevara’s is a dead ideology. Pakistan can do without it.

Re: # 83
Hmmmm
That was a brilliant take..
I think Mr NFP has a lot to answer...
Shargee,add some issues I have mentioned in my post no 6 to one you have just raised.....

bubba,

I am a mojo too, please don't say bad things about us. It hurts our feelings :(

Re: # 77 Posted by cliftonbridge on November 9, 2007 9:43:40 am

[They are actually supporting the army instead of being slaughtered by it.] Mohajirs are supporting the army, because like beggars they want hand outs. It is unfortunate that BB would even consider bringing them along in her next government. Strange political bedfellows indeed.

Re: # 79 Posted by hamidm2 on November 9, 2007 9:48:38 am

[..... first it was zardari and now she is stuck with these three clowns: mushy, fazloo and altaph bhai ......... maybe she can persuade mario khan .........]

fazloo might be the best politician amongst the four. But the two brain dead mohajirs. Why are mohajir brains so expensive in Pakistan? Because most of them have none.

#66 Neem Boo {"also, if karachi is lukewarm, what might be the reasons? "}

For someone claiming to be a professor, you have got to be the most stupid person on Chowk. If you have to ask this question, you must be a seasonal Paki.

Re: # 80

tahmed,

.... i don't think i said anything about today's rally .... i did say that the long march to nirala sweet house will take place (maybe)......

........ but seriously, do you have any doubts that mushy and bb are in bed ? here is what bbc says:

'Mock conflict'


But is the falling-out quite what it seems?

More cynical observers think Friday's dramas in Islamabad and elsewhere are an exercise in mutual face-saving, a clandestine understanding that is meant to benefit both.

Gen Musharraf imposed emergency rule after months of unrest

According to these observers, the masses in Pakistan are not yet ready to come out in full support of political leaders against a government bent on preventing street protests.

This, they say, was known to Ms Bhutto when she called Friday's public meeting in Rawalpindi, near Islamabad.

Her subsequent detention has helped preserve the "mythical name" of the Bhuttos in Pakistan.

And, the cynics say, has also negated the impression that she, a self-declared champion of democracy, is in cahoots with Gen Musharraf, a military dictator who came to power by deposing an elected government.

As for Gen Musharraf, a mock conflict with Ms Bhutto's Pakistan People's Party (PPP) affords him time to get the revamped Supreme Court to endorse the legality of his re-election as president.

Bubba #40 {"MQM having brains? If you are the proof of a mohajir brain, then only Allah can save Pakistan"}

Bubba,
If my good friend, ZK, had not alerted me, I would have lost the opportunity to rectify your rectum-constricted brains about Mr. Ahmed Madani's ethnic credentials. Unlike most Paindoo Khotays who bray uncontrollably, like Hypo Chacha Al Butteesi, at the mere appearance of an Urdu speaking Mohajir, Mr. Ahmed Madani is a shining example of Punjabi literacy, courage, and enlightened outlook. Too bad his kind is an endangered type in our Punjab.

To Mr. Paracha, thank you for mentioning me in your article.
To others, I am the “young socialist lad� NFP sahib is talking about. I was told about this piece by my fellow room mates and I write here to clarify something, when I should be studying. :P
First of all, NFP, I never said I was a Socialist, but a socialist sympathizer. And I got what you meant when you said how can a progressive person like me be listening to a reactionary like Imran Khan. Why? Because so many of us look at people like you with a history of struggle against dictatorships, mullahs and multinationals, but what happens if you too back out from a struggle just because of what you call “the tyranny of middle class morality.� Who else should we turn to if not men like Imran? Fazlu, Qazi, BB (even though it is well known you have a soft spot for her)? I might not agree with Imran on a lot of things, but he is the only one addressing the educated youth, while you don’t even bother to turn up whenever asked to speak at seminars in lahore, as someone rightly mentioned here. Now, those who have been calling Mr. Paracha a Marxist, think again. His history as a Marxist student leader against Zia and a lefty journalist is well known by those who follow him, but they should have heard him last year when he was a speaker at a youth conference in Karachi. His speech was a clear give away at what he has now become.
First of all, more than Marx, he quoted Nietzsche. Then he read a few paragraphs from what he says are his favourite books. One was “A guide to Military Coups� and the other, “The Mass Psychology of Fascism.� He also clearly said that he was only an “academic Marxist� with sympathies for people like Hugo Chivaz and Castro, and that he is nothing but “an old fashioned Socialist.� But what shocked me was when he went on to say, “I don’t care if a Socialist order is achieved through a democracy or a dictatorship.� So he doesn’t mind a dictatorship then.
All said, I still have deep respect and admiration for Paracha Saheb, and will not oppose him just because he did not take our invitation to support our struggle, because no matter what he thinks about our thinking, he is still read by a number of people and does manage to highlight the social issues haunting our country.
Just needed to clear a few things. Now back to my books. Thank you.

Nadeem, This needed to be said, even in your "convoluted" satirical fashion. Thank you. This brings up certain questions I would like to ask your full stomached self since I am one of those somewhat disappointed in your take on El Generalissimo, but those will have to wait for now. I do agree with much of what you have said here though. Hope you're well.