Beena Sarwar November 15, 2007
#11 Posted by mehulkamdar on November 18, 2007 10:56:07 pm
This is not to justify rule by the military anywhere but the problems that Pakistan faces are, perhaps, not going to be easily solved no matter who rules the country. With a violent extremist religious struggle against the country's secular institutions it is not going to be easy to sort matters out - look at how long it took India to solve the crisis in Punjab alone and how many horrors that entailed.
However, it is to be hoped that President Musharraf would come to understand that the best thing that could happen would be for the people to decide what they want and then move from that point onwards. At he very least, he would not have to face the opposition of those who might even end up supporting him if he were to let them have their say. The most powerful armies in the world can run whole nations only upto a point, a fact that, I am sure, the General would have learned about when he was a cadet learning about military history around the world.
However, it is to be hoped that President Musharraf would come to understand that the best thing that could happen would be for the people to decide what they want and then move from that point onwards. At he very least, he would not have to face the opposition of those who might even end up supporting him if he were to let them have their say. The most powerful armies in the world can run whole nations only upto a point, a fact that, I am sure, the General would have learned about when he was a cadet learning about military history around the world.
#10 Posted by bjkumar on November 16, 2007 1:26:38 pm
Beena, it is a good piece as always – with your usual comprehensive overview!
I do not believe the US has a desire to back Musharraf unconditionally or permanently. Without the support of the population or at least their passive acceptance of his rule– he has no credibility, he can not get anything done and is therefore worthless to anybody on the outside.
Mr. Bush is trying very hard to hold on, for now, to the remnants of what was his policy of “be friends with the Khakis, hope they behave internally and can be used as a stick externally”– which has now gone kaput! But he will most likely change his words after the latest envoy provides his “on site” appraisal. Mr. Mushy’s latest flip-flops on “now she’s arrested – now she isn’t!” are more worthy of the circus gimmics rather than any well-thought-out acts of a national leader.
I do not believe the US has a desire to back Musharraf unconditionally or permanently. Without the support of the population or at least their passive acceptance of his rule– he has no credibility, he can not get anything done and is therefore worthless to anybody on the outside.
Mr. Bush is trying very hard to hold on, for now, to the remnants of what was his policy of “be friends with the Khakis, hope they behave internally and can be used as a stick externally”– which has now gone kaput! But he will most likely change his words after the latest envoy provides his “on site” appraisal. Mr. Mushy’s latest flip-flops on “now she’s arrested – now she isn’t!” are more worthy of the circus gimmics rather than any well-thought-out acts of a national leader.
#9 Posted by Salim_Chauhan on November 16, 2007 8:25:30 am
Consul Negro Pontus has gone to Isloo to seek Perv's advice about how to prolong one's staying power. Dubya is concerned about waning power and going lame this year.
Options to consider:
Put Hillary in and out of house arrest and let Bill frolick all over the outside world
Arrest Alex Rodriguez when he shows up
Get John Edwards a hair transplant and banish him to Soodi Arabia
While it's tempting to fire the Supreme Court, Dubya should leave it alone - after all the SC made him Prez.
Shut down CNN, ABC, NBC, CBS, PBS, the History Channel, the Food Network, and ESPN. Just keep FOX and the Christian Broadcasting Network on the air.
Options to consider:
Put Hillary in and out of house arrest and let Bill frolick all over the outside world
Arrest Alex Rodriguez when he shows up
Get John Edwards a hair transplant and banish him to Soodi Arabia
While it's tempting to fire the Supreme Court, Dubya should leave it alone - after all the SC made him Prez.
Shut down CNN, ABC, NBC, CBS, PBS, the History Channel, the Food Network, and ESPN. Just keep FOX and the Christian Broadcasting Network on the air.
#8 Posted by Salim_Chauhan on November 16, 2007 8:23:01 am
So, let's understand clearly what the pisser-e-zameen are asking Mohajirs to do.
You guys want Urdu-speaking Mohajirs in Karachi and Hyderabad to start demonstrating against Perv the Dick Traitor. You want us to use our sizable presence and significant wealth overseas to influence western politicians to bring pressure on Mushy. You want us to support Bezamir Bhutni and Najaaiz Sharif so that either one of them can come to power. Once in power, these proven civilian dictators and corrupt leaders will bring back the military to start killing Mohajirs by the thousands. At least Mushy put an end to the slaughter of Mohajirs by their own military.
No deal. You guys can go climb the Minar-e-Pakiland and jump into the Ravi in the middle of December
You guys want Urdu-speaking Mohajirs in Karachi and Hyderabad to start demonstrating against Perv the Dick Traitor. You want us to use our sizable presence and significant wealth overseas to influence western politicians to bring pressure on Mushy. You want us to support Bezamir Bhutni and Najaaiz Sharif so that either one of them can come to power. Once in power, these proven civilian dictators and corrupt leaders will bring back the military to start killing Mohajirs by the thousands. At least Mushy put an end to the slaughter of Mohajirs by their own military.
No deal. You guys can go climb the Minar-e-Pakiland and jump into the Ravi in the middle of December
#7 Posted by nasah on November 15, 2007 8:30:56 pm
Re: # 5
as far as Musharraf is concerned -- nesh-e aqrub nu uz paye 'book' ust/muqtazaaye kharab tush eeN ust
Kharab tush means bad ass.
as far as Musharraf is concerned -- nesh-e aqrub nu uz paye 'book' ust/muqtazaaye kharab tush eeN ust
Kharab tush means bad ass.
#6 Posted by tahmed32 on November 15, 2007 6:49:45 pm
nasah: Musharraf did remind us today that he has underlings who speak bluntly to him, and that they told him bluntly that Pakistan needed Musharraf to stay in power. Tears come to my eyes as I think of how these cruel, blunt-speaking underlings are forcing poor Musharraf to stay on as dictator.
#5 Posted by laddu on November 15, 2007 6:28:29 pm
"The choice of issues reflects the widely shared sense that many key problems in contemporary Pakistani society can be traced to these root causes. For instance, the teaching of history has been shaped by a desire to create and impose a particular view of the existence and nature of the Pakistani nation. In many cases, the history taught to children has been invented, omitted or distorted to serve political and ideological ends. This even includes falsification of events that have taken place in living memory, which are then presented as matters of fact.37
The distortion of history has increasingly warped Pakistan’s view of both self and others for decades. Each generation has twisted further the facts it passes to the next. This has served to create a particular worldview that is removed from reality and confounds efforts to understand and properly resolve important social, national and international problems.
Some of the issues that were tracked through the curriculum and the textbooks are of immediate importance. The growing violence in Pakistani society, against religious and ethnic minorities, between Islamic sects, and women, takes a terrible toll. To a large extent this reflects religious and ethnic prejudices and oppressive attitudes towards women that are rife in society and are in turn sanctioned in the educational system. In order to check this violence and discrimination, students need to be taught systematically about openness, tolerance, rights, respect and the virtues and skills of peaceful conflict resolution. "
-The State of
Curricula and Textbooks
in Pakistan
The fact remains that no Pakistani wants to address the basic issue of hatred that has been carefully nurtured by the TNT in the psyche of every Pakistani.
The roots of all crisis in Pakistan is the Islamic indoctrination !!! Even if Imran Khan becomes the Khalifa nothing would change and "jehad" would remain the chief aspiration of every PAkistani citizen.
The distortion of history has increasingly warped Pakistan’s view of both self and others for decades. Each generation has twisted further the facts it passes to the next. This has served to create a particular worldview that is removed from reality and confounds efforts to understand and properly resolve important social, national and international problems.
Some of the issues that were tracked through the curriculum and the textbooks are of immediate importance. The growing violence in Pakistani society, against religious and ethnic minorities, between Islamic sects, and women, takes a terrible toll. To a large extent this reflects religious and ethnic prejudices and oppressive attitudes towards women that are rife in society and are in turn sanctioned in the educational system. In order to check this violence and discrimination, students need to be taught systematically about openness, tolerance, rights, respect and the virtues and skills of peaceful conflict resolution. "
-The State of
Curricula and Textbooks
in Pakistan
The fact remains that no Pakistani wants to address the basic issue of hatred that has been carefully nurtured by the TNT in the psyche of every Pakistani.
The roots of all crisis in Pakistan is the Islamic indoctrination !!! Even if Imran Khan becomes the Khalifa nothing would change and "jehad" would remain the chief aspiration of every PAkistani citizen.
#4 Posted by nasah on November 15, 2007 6:20:15 pm
"President General Pervez Musharraf on Thursday amended the Provisional Constitutional Order (PCO) to allow himself power to revoke the proclamation of emergency."(AP)
I am sure it was a real tough almost a Herculean effort to 'amend' the PCO order -- takes a lot of muscle and guts to do that -- and only Mr. Khaki-pants Rustum-e Zaman can slay that dragon. Hope Mr. Tinpot’s health was not permanently damaged by this hard work.
Revoking a PCO order is not a joke like the putting a Constitution in abeyance is . It takes 100 times more deliberation, intelligence AND guts to revoke the heavy weight PCO Order than to invoke the lightweight annoying easy pushover Constitution.
God bless Mushy sahib that he was finally ‘ALLOWED’ by his bosses Shujaat Husain and Shaukat Aziz -- the ‘power’ -- to REVOKE the proclamation of Emergency.. Thank you Musharraf sahib for putting Pakistan first instead of Palloo MiaN first.
Hopefully the harried and the harassed Musharraf sahib will be ‘allowed’ the power to ‘AMEND’ another PCO order -- to relieve himself -- of both his coronary-blocking, heart-attacking COAS and presidential duties – and take some hard-earned rest.
I am sure it was a real tough almost a Herculean effort to 'amend' the PCO order -- takes a lot of muscle and guts to do that -- and only Mr. Khaki-pants Rustum-e Zaman can slay that dragon. Hope Mr. Tinpot’s health was not permanently damaged by this hard work.
Revoking a PCO order is not a joke like the putting a Constitution in abeyance is . It takes 100 times more deliberation, intelligence AND guts to revoke the heavy weight PCO Order than to invoke the lightweight annoying easy pushover Constitution.
God bless Mushy sahib that he was finally ‘ALLOWED’ by his bosses Shujaat Husain and Shaukat Aziz -- the ‘power’ -- to REVOKE the proclamation of Emergency.. Thank you Musharraf sahib for putting Pakistan first instead of Palloo MiaN first.
Hopefully the harried and the harassed Musharraf sahib will be ‘allowed’ the power to ‘AMEND’ another PCO order -- to relieve himself -- of both his coronary-blocking, heart-attacking COAS and presidential duties – and take some hard-earned rest.
#3 Posted by tahmed32 on November 15, 2007 6:02:04 pm
#2 nothing will make arjun happy. he can only share his misery on chowk.
#2 Posted by CreateAlpha on November 15, 2007 12:19:50 pm
Yaar Arjun, what do you want? What would make you happy with the Pakistani situation..lets hear it.
#1 Posted by arjun8 on November 15, 2007 11:31:57 am
he said that Musharraf “fully understands the dangers of Al-Qaeda”
I tried that with my two year old..i thought he fully understood why he needs to eat his veggies.
Same result..
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