The Battle for Pakistan

hamid is wrong, the student protest against the Jamiat yesterday revealed that the strength of numbers at PU is not with them, if anything Imran has fragmented their membership. Their leadership, on the run after their offices were ransacked, was seen as appasing the dictator because of what they did, and that didn't go down too well with the rank and file

Dear hamid,

You say "..... i don't like the dictator any more than you, but i just don't have any faith in the 'opposition' or the public either ...... it would be nice if we could get rid of the clown in uniform and replace him with a few clowns in civies,"

I hope you have faith in the intelligence of your fellow Pakistanis. They too realise what you say above; and are hopefully fighting for the right to get rid of clowns, whenever they want too, in a consistent and orderly manner.

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GT,

..... you obviously don't understand pakistan's student politics ...... the islami jamiat-i-harami is the single largest student group - it is well armed, highly organized, motivated and ruthless ...... the other students from places like lums and fast are a bunch of pansies who are more worried about their gpa than politics (as they should be) ....... imran khan leading these students in revolt would be like asghar khan leading a procession of hijras from abbotabad to islamabad - half of them would run off with their boyfriends before they reached havelian .......

........ the only party that can face the jamiat is the mqm - unfortunately, they do not have much of a presence outside karachi ......

tahmed writes "All Pakistanis need to shed their differences at this time and join hands to get rid of dictatorship"

To get rid of "dictatorship", we need to get rid of what perpetuates dictatorship in our country, the US occupation force and the US elite that feed and direct it. Are you, tahmed willing to join hands with me to totally revamp Pakistan's foreign policy to date and completely cut out the Americans from any and every interference, and cut off our priorities from America first to Pakistan and the Third World. If "NO", then you are a mere bullshitter and you and I can never "forget our differences".

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tahmed mian,

..... i don't like the dictator any more than you, but i just don't have any faith in the 'opposition' or the public either ...... it would be nice if we could get rid of the clown in uniform and replace him with a few clowns in civies, but i don't see it happening unless negroponte can get kiani to 'talk' to mushy ........

.... as for imran khan, the less said the better - the man is an embarassment to his children and fans ...... for months he has been ranting and raving like a halwa-crazed mullah, playing footsie with mardoodites, defending the barbarians of waziristan and swat, blaming america for everything including his thinning hair ... and then he goes out and gets 'kidnapped' by the jamiat-i-harami ! ...... even the policemen sent out to 'arrest' him are the laughing stock of their collegues at the thana ..........

GT: Not just the youth. All Pakistanis need to shed their differences at this time and join hands to get rid of dictatorship. There will be time enough later for politics as usual.

GT: Not just the youth. All Pakistanis need to shed their differences at this time and join hands to get rid of dictatorship. There will be time enough later for politics as usual.

hamidm: better a naked charlatan than a wardi-flaunting charlatan.

and i dont recall gandhi making statements only a charlatan like musharraf could make (e.g. "the blunt-speaking advisers around me told me that Pakistan needs me to stay on as president")!!

What Imran Khan had done, i.e. go to the students, shook more than just the dictator. It shook two despotic political parties. His arrest will, hopefully, give students a symbol to rally around. Symbolic gestures are valuable. On 23rd October, 1956, some Hungarians brought down a statue of Stalin and dragged it on the streets. 200,000 people came out in support. The police resorted to firing and several people died. Next day Russian tanks rolled in to "finish" off a movement ...... Actually the movement did not die ... It simply continued. Things take time and it requires all kinds to further a progressive movement. Imran Khan has done his job ... It is time for the Pakistani youth to carry the movement further.

bjkumar,

..... let's not mention the digusting naked charlatan in an article by imran khan! ..... and please don't post another picture - i just had breakfast

#45

Jum dada,

Ms. Naidu was entitled to her opinions, like anybody else (including your favorite chowkie pal).

It is also possible she was saying that stuff to encourage him not to go to jail, because she was extremely fond of him. It is well known that Ms. Naidu was inspired to join the Indpendence movement because of him and she accompanied Gandhiji all along - including his journeys to the jail.

Indians who are going easy on Imran Khan ought to know that Hamid Gul was reported to be one of his closest advisers. If there’s any truth to those accounts, the man is fundamentally unsound.

Beej bhaiyya,

You must have heard what Sarojini Naidu had once said "It costs the nation a fortune to keep the Mahatma poor" or something to that effect. And unlike me or my favourite chowkie pal, she wasn't an acolyte of the "vampire"

Regards

Majumdar yaar,

You know the truth put try to poke and rile people up (it won't work).

When Gandhiji was jailed in Agha Khan's house, it was not a healthy abode. From all accounts, it was dark, dreary and mosquitos- and other bugs-infested. In particular, it was highly damaging to the health of the Kasturba, who did not survive her stay there.

The following is an excerpt from the account given by Sushila Nayar.

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"Kasturba passed away on the 22nd of February, 1944 in Bapu's lap. She had been ailing for months. She was a patient of chronic bronchitis with asthma. It had weakened her heart. In Aga Khan palace detention camp at Poona, she started getting attacks of paroxysmal tachycardia. A terminal bronchopneumonia and failing of kidney function put out the flame of life in her frail body. She had been her husband's constant companion for more than sixty years. The two, while they were still children, had been married and had grown up together to become man and wife, had produced and reared four sons and had taken a vow of celibacy by the age of thirty, when many young men and women today have still to chose their life's partners.

Bapu had seen many deaths. But I think Kasturba's death hit him the hardest.

He had been, on that fateful day, delayed for his evening walk because. of an argument whether Ba should be given penicillin injections or not. He decided against it and went for a wash before going down for a stroll in the compound of the detention camp. Just then Ba called out to him. He came and sat down on her bed. She was restless. He asked her to lie down, She laid her head on his lap and her breathing changed. In less than five minutes, she passed into eternal peace. A tear stood on his cheek as he gently laid her head on the pillow.

He kept the vigil for hours sitting by her side, reading the Gita. The next morning the body was bathed, decked with bangles and Kumkum and taken out for cremation on the ground of the detention camp. The Government were afraid to let the cremation take place outside. Her body had become water logged due to cardiac and renal failure and it took a long time for the flames to consume it. Solicitous friends:. asked Bapu to retire. He was not very strong physically and at 74 having taken his due share of night-nursing- during her illness, he was physically and emotionally quite exhausted. But he refused to budge from the- cremation ground till the whole thing was over.

Late that night as he lay down to sleep, his pent up agony was expressed in one sentence: "After sixty years of constant companionship, I cannot imagine life without her".

The vacuum created by her death was painful not only for him but also for all of us the inmates of the Ashram and even to the casual visitors who used to- find solace in meeting her when they could not see Bapu."

Beej bhaiyya,

A very happy Chhat to you!!!

(personal sacrifices)

Like staying as a sarkari mehmaan in Agha Khan's palace.

Regards

Hamidm2 sahib (and a few like-minded Pakistanis),

Only the Jinnahs of the world get a country handed over to them without making any personal sacrifices!

By being arrested for protesting Pakistani martial law and spending time in jail, Mr. Imran Khan places one notch above the Jinnah. I wish him the nest.

The real dawn is not very far, IMHO!

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Ahmedmadani sahib,

It is the easiest thing in the world for the Pakistanis to take over Kashmir, indeed all of India. But you guys need to learn the language of pyar-mohabbat - something your countrymen have proved themselves singularly inadept at so far!