Pakistan at War

tahmed writes "Here is a suggestion: Why dont you limit your posts to calling me (or anyone else you feel like) a fool or a peon of the west?

This way we both come out ahead "

Usual diatribe we have come to expect from the hamid/tahmed duo, when stumped by facts invent strawmen in order to discredit your opponents valid arguments (his starwman was " no sparrow will fall without the US elite wanting it"- when my arguments dont present them as omnipotent just powerful to get a greater probability of success in what they want), and their other dimwitted tactic is that they will totally ignore the points raised in the post and throw irrelevant stuff in for distraction purposes, revealing that their intellect is not only narrow but so is their morality because they understand the shortcomings of their ideas but wont own up to that....

krashid...any subject, including relgion may be debated and questioned and that is no problem at all. The problem lies in the quality of the debate....hurling insults, name calling, unfair stereotyping and out and out offensive language is no way to discuss anything. Hamidm has a tendency to insult and offend rather than discuss. If its ok to call the Prophet (Pbuh) names and insult muslims and Islam the way he has been, its just as fair to question how much of a "fan" his wife was when she was his "classmate". Imran is a stud with a reputation and Hamidm seems to spend more time on Chowk than with his wife....he may be crying for help...thats all.

Re: # 93
Religon is not a private matter to all those who are intolerant to other peoples' faith...
And intolerance spreads hatred.....
Regarding myself, I am not religous...
I merely tried to say that we need to be tolerant....
I am sorry if I offended you by saying that religous tolerance and keeping lips tight about religon is a prudent practice....
Regarding my views well I have said I am not bending backwards to prove that I am secular....
And you have therefore every right to be skeptical...
And it is good that you are.....
it is nice humbling expereince...
That is all...
I have nothing to add further....

Hamidm2
Urfi Tu mendesh uz Ghoghae Raqiban
Awaze Sagan Kum Na Kunud Rizq Gada Ra.
Don't be dishearted by cries of rivals
Dogs barking does not decrease sustenance of beggars.
I am sceptical of scepticals credentials as liberal and secular.
Religion is private if the proclamators of religion pronounce it as such. Take the heat and defend it. When did the religion became a private matter.

Re: # 91
Yes I think some people need to understand that religon is also a sensitve matter just like their spouse....

Skeptical...I think you are right on.

Re: # 89

skeptical,

shame on you! ....... i have never missed eid prayers

Look Mr Hamid
as I said earlier...
I am not religous...
I was merely trying to tell you that insulting any ones religon is not going to "terminate" extremism....
Rather it would further add fire to it....
Go on keep on coming up with these posts...
They wont bother me that much....
I do not even offer Eid prayers....
But let me tell you again....
Secularism means tolerating others....
Extremism and hatred breeds extremism and hatred....
And that is all..
Being Skeptical I have flexible opinions and I do not believe in bending myself backwards to convince others that I am secular....
Once again Mr Hamid....
I know you are desperate to answer me.....
Because your whole purpose of existence is to just see who has answered your posts...
And then you come up with this long tirade....
Stop pretending that you are a secular....
People like you do not even know what secularism is all about...
I have nothing more to add....
And much to your disappointment no matter what you come up in your next ( understandbly one sided extremist) post, I wont answer...
You are not a liberal or a secular despite your desperate attempts to look like one...
You are not even worth indulging in an argument with.....
I have learnt my lesson...
You learn yours......
Lets not argue anymore Mr Hamid....
We are different...
Although you would say that you are better....
Ok than you are better.....
We are not arguing anymore on Chowk....
I am too low intellect and narrow minded for a "bright" "secular" "liberal" "intellectual" like you...

skeptical mian ........ don't worry, here is a solution:

how to stop the bombing (and other bad things) ............... a conversation between al-lah and gabby

(as usual, al-lah and his favorite angel gabby are sitting are sitting on cushions of fluffy clouds eating peyote pakoras and sipping date wine made from the famous dates of mecca that gabby collects on his now infrequent trips to the desert ?? actually he hasn?t been down there for the past fifteen hundred years ? not since he went down to talk to mo of the quraish )

gabby (preening his wings with his beak) : al-lah mian why do you look so morose ?............ what?s with the long face? ............. are you okay ? i hope these pakoras are not making you sick; you look kind of peaked; maybe it is the wine ? it is almost fifteen hundred years old and I think it is time to brew a fresh batch ........... can I go to mecca .......please, oh, please ...........

al-lah (sighing): gabby, you are such a fool ? all you think about is wine and pakoras ........ there are so many bigger things to worry about in all these parallel universes that even i can?t keep track of them ............ by the way which universe is earth on ?

gabby : jesus christ ! you are getting old ! ....... it is on u371a ......... why, what is the matter ?

al-lah: hey ! don?t take my son?s name in vain unless you want a good whipping ...........

gabby (sheepishly): sorry ....... i just worry about you ? is there anything i can do ?

al-lah: i need to find out who set off that bomb in karachi ? these suicide bombers are giving me a bad name ........... did we order these people to go out and kill and maim in my name ?

gabby (fluttering his wings in exasperation): ............ actually we did !....... look al-lah mian, no offense, but we have had this conversation many times before ............. let me remind you that i told you that we should have reigned in muhammad when he went on the war path against the folks in mecca and khyber and anyone else who didn?t listen to your message .......... i know, i know.......... it was all for a good cause and the bleeding bedouins needed to be dissuaded from burying their daughters and marrying their mothers, but we set a bad precedent ................ i told you to send down a verse or two on brotherly (and sisterly) love and understanding instead of urging mo to go on a holy war path against your enemies ........... bad move ? all this would never have happened if you had told his followers that killing was bad, period ..............

al-lah : bad move ? ! .......... my dear gabby, i think you forget that a couple of hundred years earlier i had sent down my own son with a message of love and peace ? telling people to turn the other cheek and love their fellow man like a brother ?? and do you know what happened ?

gabby: they got the message ? at least in san francisco !

al-lah: ha, ha! ......... very funny !....... no they did not ? as a matter of fact the imbeciles nailed my kid to a crucifix and then went out to kill and maim for the next thousand years ?............remember the inquisition ?...... I don?t remember telling my son to go out and burn people who did not believe in him as their savior ........... actually i don?t even remember telling him that he was the savior - the poor kid could barley take care of himself with the jews clamoring for his blood and that spineless man pontius refusing to stand up to these horrible people ............

gabby: okay, okay........... i get your point ........... but what are we going to do about these mad mullahs going on a rampage, blowing up cars and killing people just because they think you told them it is okay to do so ..........

al-lah (throwing up his arms) : i never said any such thing ......... the verses in the koran were time and instance specific ? everyone know that ..........

gabby: no they don?t ? only tahmed knows it and nobody listens to him ............

al-lah: who the heck is tahmed ? i thought we were not sending down any more prophets .............. have you been talking to people without my permission ?

gabby (looking a little guilty) : you know, i would never do that ........... i know better; i don?t want to end up like cousin iblees ? it is hot down there and they only serve vegetarian food ............... tahmed is just one of many sensible people that mo?s followers don?t listen too because you made such a mess out of the book ? and may i remind you again that i told you this would happen .........now you have people like masadi and mullah omar and osama who are running away with the message and blowing up people because they think that?s what you want ...........

al-lah (looking tired): so what do we do now ?............. and how come they haven?t caught that rascal osama yet ? i thought the americans can see a pimple on a gnat?s behind from fifty miles up in space ...........

gabby: if you want him caught, why don?t you?........... you can do anything you want ...... i don?t have to remind you that you are the big kahuna and omnieverything ..............

al-lah (smiling): don?t be silly ? you know we decided a long time ago not to interfere with free will and freedom of choice ............. and besides, i don?t have the time to mess around with one little planet circling one little star among billions and billions of stars in one little galaxy among billions and billions of galaxies .......

gabby (happily munching on a pakora): you sound like carl sagan ..........

al-lah (quizzical) : who the heck is carl sagan? ........ was he a prophet ?........ hey, this peyote is pretty darn good ? i think you should go down to mexico and get some more before the dea goes out and sprays the desert and kills this wonderful stuff that I have created ? you know, i am tired of people killing what took me billions and billions of years to create .............

gabby (sighing): are we back to the bombing in karachi ......... if you want, we can sent down another prophet to tell these imbeciles to stop it ..........

al-lah: no, no ........ we can?t do that .......... remember the last time we tried to do it with joseph smith and mirza ghulam ahmed ?

gabby : well, the mormons turned out okay even though you sent that slacker moroni instead of me ............

al-lah (looking at gabby with a twinkle in his eye): you were sick, remember? ....... but you are right, the mormons did turn out okay even though they killed poor joe and his brother.........

gabby: aw shucks! ....don?t feel guilty ? they are doing fine ........ we gave them a hundred and forty virgins each instead of the usual seventy virgin quota for martyrs ........... al-lah mian, that reminds me, we are running out of virgins .............

al-lah (frowning as if in deep thought): you know, my dear gabby, maybe we should repeal the virgin law ?? i think that will cut down on the killing and mayhem ...........

gabby (looking a little under the influence): but how do we do that without sending down another prophet now that you have banned theophanies of all type ...........

al-lah: think, gabby, think ......... all you do is sit around, drink wine and complain ........... we must do something to stop these people from killing each other ......... poor muhammad is feeling really bad about this ? he feels that he is responsible, even though i keep on telling him that it is not really his fault ? osman is the real culprit for not hiring the right scribes ............ even emma did a better job for joe when that rascal harris ran off with the script ...............

gabby (suddenly brightening up): i know what we can do !........ we can put out a public service announcement on al-jazeerah, geo, ary, indus and al-arabia telling the people that god wants them to stop blowing up things ...........

al-lah (affectionately throwing is arms around gabby): gabby, you are brilliant !............ let?s do it !

Re: # 86

skeptical mian,

... religion is not a 'personal' matter when you condemn people who do not share in your beliefs to hell fire and damnation, sentence apostates to death, stone people for adultery, persecute ahmedis and other heretics, wage war in the name of a bedouin diety and generally become a pain in the keester for the rest mankind ........ your sexual orientation is a personal matter as long as you don't abuse your neighbor's sheep .........

........ islam, like the medieval catholicism and nazism of the past century, is not a personal matter .......

Re: # 82
and furthermore Mr Hamid you got sensitive when some one poked at your wife....
You think that marriage is a personal matter....
If you are rational, try to understand that religon is also a personal matter....
When u try to insult a religon....
For many it is a personal matter...
Just like a jibe on Mrs hamid is "not nice" to you....
May be an insult to Islam is not nice to Zyxius....
Frankly depite being extremely non religous...
And left wing.....
I would rather support Mr Zyxius....
than a psuedo secular like you....

Re: # 78 Posted by masadi on November 18, 2007 11:13:29 am

[You still don't have a clue about me.] Nobody does.

Re: # 82
Although Mr Hamid I am not religous at all but I would rather still say that insulting any ones religon is bad and for most of us religon becomes a matter of identity particularly when it is attacked. Einstien was an ethiest but he became a "jew" when taunted.....
So have some sense and try to merely understand that religon is a sensitive matter. Even Einstien became religous despite not believing in God. What are you in front of him....

masadi #80: you call me a fool in your post and that is the only part of your post that makes any sense. Since no doubt compared to billions of people on this planet, I am no doubt a fool in one way or another.

The rest of your post is your usual gibberish about the evil "US elite" without whose knowledge and permission a sparrow will not fall dead.

Here is a suggestion: Why dont you limit your posts to calling me (or anyone else you feel like) a fool or a peon of the west?

This way we both come out ahead - You come out ahead because no one will realize that aside from calling others names, you have only gibberish to contribute. And so many will assume you know something they dont. I come out ahead because people read my posts more carefully to understand why you, the geo-strategic genius, think I am a fool.

What say you?? Do we have a deal??

Re: # 81

zyxius,

... don't get your underpants all in tied up in knots ..... let me see if i can answer your objections :

... firstly, i didn't say my wife was imran's class-mate (he is too old and she would be really offended if i said that) , she was actually his sister's classmate ....... and of course, like all women (and some men) she likes him him ..... you can't hold that against me ..

..... second, i really don't want to kill anyone with a beard (unless it is a goat for eid) .... i simply want the americans and the pak army to take care of these crazy mullahs who stand between me and a nice vacation in swat ...... so you can't blame for that either - they are bad for the tourism industry

..... as for insulting islam, i think as a muslim i have the right to do so ....... since i had the misfortune to be born a muslim, there is nothing i can do about it ........ i would change my religion but we all know that the punishment for apostasy is death and i would like to keep my head attached to my shoulders ...... do you blame me? ....... if you guys were a little bit more civilzed about it i would have reverted to the religion of grandpa gopinat and taken to relieving myself on the railroad tracks .......

...... what else? .... i hope that answers your questions .... and please leave mrs hamidm out of this, it is not nice ...

# 70 Hamidm; the inconsistent and rambling idiot who dare not speak in public.

Hamid, I've been reading your bs for a few days and I have to say that I think you are really a spineless coward who just gets his kicks out of saying things on the net that he doesnt have the balls to utter elsewhere. Below is a selection of your recent posts in which you say all kinds of stupid things ranging from your plans to kill bearded people, to your fear of taking this macho attitude of your on Chowk anywhere else except this site...no appetite for reality?

You also seem to be awfully confused and the victim of an identity crisis. You also said elsewhere that your wife was Imran Khan's "classmate" and was a "fan" of his. Is this double-speak for your wife has diddled Imran before? Don't be upset....Imran's really been around and if your wife was his "classmate" and is his "fan"...she would be one of many. I guess its tough when you are a new immigrant to the US going through an identity crisis and your wife compares you to studs that you just can't compare to...maybe she's even diddling someone at the office and is never home...so poor Hamidm spends all his time on Chowk letting his anger out in other way...lashing out on the net.

You say "we muslims" and you also talk about Islam as if you have nothing to do with it and you insult the Prophet (Pbuh) and the Quran. You admit your own hypocrisy repeatedly here...when you visit Pakistan you change your appearance because you are a little sissy. It shows that you don't know what the hell you are talking about because that is not even an issue here....spend some time Karachi this shaadi season and you will find plenty of hot girls dressed all sorts of ways. But its funny that you talk about killing people with beards, yet you....you know what...you're not even worth it. Just keep on bullshitting...you have little else in life anyway.

"..... i am very consistent .... i never threatened to kill anyone personally"



"how to start a revolution and kill a mullah

Re: # 75

kuntakinte,

..... i really like the idea of an ataturk-like revolution where we can eliminate everyone with a beard and a pet sheep overnight"

"Re: # 90

zyxius,

... we are not talking about killing people, we are talking about killing mullahs ..."


"i am talking about killing 'vermin' with beards ..... people and vermin - they are not the same thing .... how do you know vermin? ...... well, it is like pornography - you know it when you see it .....a beard, maswak, bad body odor, a pet sheep on a leash, shaven armpits, a tasbeeh, the mark of the devil on the forehead, bruised and calloused ankles, a lota, mumbling in arabic and a suicide belt are all good indicators ....."


"..... no, i will not stand in the middle of the street in pakistan and voice my opinions about the prophet (pbuh and his camel) because i do not want to be beheaded ..... as a matter of fact, when i am i pakistan, i always carry a tasbeeh, use a twig to brush my teeth, and never pee standing up ..... i am not a fool ...."


"..... zyxius mian, wake up and smell the kava - we muslims are in big trouble and we don't even know it ...."

"..... and before someone objects to this discourse, let me say that this discussion is more relevant and definitely more intellectually stimulating than discussing the khilafat and the rantings of an illiterate prohet holed up in a cave" .........