Pakistan at War

#111, true the fallout is with Musharraf and not the Army as I have maintained, for that purpose they have to ensure that he takes off the uniform.... or a hellfire will be sent his way by the Americans....

An alternative, though unlikely scenario,however since the Americans do not normally deal again with their peons out of favor, he went to SA for his own damage control having been forced to submit to the US contrary to Saudi wishes this time. In which case he stays

#106 Posted by masadi

Asadi,
On Medals of Freedom for Justice Chaudary board I wrote this:
“The US sends out Negroponte who wants to figure out how to help the army. He also wants to assess: where would the bleeding stop? The resistance in Pakistan may end up blocking the army from the future adventures and that is not in the US interests.

The damage control is in full swing. I seriously doubt that the US would be able to control the events in Pakistan.”

The damage control is not about Musharaf it is about saving the Pak army.

I also wrote this: “Just look at how Saudi Arabia is helping the General and now how Dubai came forward to help him. It shows two things: first, Musharaf and the army have reasonable amount to influence over the Saudis and the Gulf States and second, he still is not isolated and the US will have to do more to remove him. One more thing, the US alone will not be able to remove him; his ties with Saudis will have to be cut.’

Musharaf is in SA to figure out how far the criminal Saudi clan is going to support him. My thinking is that they too are about to say good bye to him.

The US has been planning to set up bases in the tribal areas and Northern Baluchistan for sometime now and the money that comes with the bases is the carrot being dangled before the Pak Army to move in to remove Musharaf quickly so that US can cut the deal with the new Pro west army COAS and new Pro west PM. The games they play.

Re: # 98

Zyxius ,

You are an idiot.

Hamidm2 is the only reason I come to chowk and you want to spoil the fun for the rest of us ? Stay away from him.


Giani

How are the US elite going to convince their folk of using their dollars to fight an unending war if the enemy cannot be named for easy identification? The CIA imports into Afghanistan, with minds of morons (like the UBL) thought that they could play Captain Kirk (of Star Trek fame) and so like every idiot Mullah in Pakistan who has started his own organization to "change the world", they acted with the same tradition of naming their group Al-Qaeda. Now every bang that occurs around the globe anywhere is with extreme ease labelled by the US elite as being done by "Al Qaeda" or "Al Qaeda inspired"- see how convenient it becomes, define a situation as real (even though it is total BS) and its sets in place a dynamic that eventually makes it real- known to social scientists as the Thomas Theorem

If GEO is a CIA venture, don't you think that Al-Qaida is a fictious characters created by the same agency. I did not hear of it before 9/11. A fictious character that it can use to wage war in this country. We have created Taliban as a result of fighting this so-called war.

The good coming from all of this other than the many movements that will be a thorn in the side of the ruling junta in Pakistan for a long time to come, not to mention the diminished authority and reputation of the military in the minds of the people atleast, is the shutting down of the CIA media concern, GEO TV. Good riddance to the voice of America propaganda spewed day and night on this channel that tried to act as catalyst in fermenting the crisis manufactured by the Pak Army/US elite. Deep down it is a Pakistan Army/CIA channel through and through....good riddance I say, but unfortunately it is going to come up again....

It seems like Negroponte got guarntees from Musharraf and Kiyani for the establishment of bases in the northwest under the guise of "training" a new paramilitary force, in exchange for letting Musharraf continue. If that is the case, then the peon has relented and gone on a damage control trip to SA, which might ensure his survival, otherwise the Americans would have seen the end of him very soon. The injustice in all of this, and the barbarism is that the people of Pakistan are made to suffer due to the adjustments of the US power elite and their peons, over 165 million people...

Masadi #99
This is the last year of Bush. And nobody knows what is in future meaning next American election.
Moreover a lot of time has already been lost in Iraq.
I totally agree with your view point.

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Re: # 95

How about PBUH crap threatening idolators all the time without any protest from them??

Re: # 97

Actually Mo got the most of booties - read the Quran before trying to abuse a poor apostate!!

Brayings of a self-conceited Donkey: there was no democracy before me. I empowered the people and I gave them freedom of expression in the country."(Musharraf)

Jaan lee dee huwee hee meri thhee
haq tu yeh hai kay haq adaa nu hoowa

For that aother 5 years -- in fact before Me Me Musharraf there was no Pakistan.

read "as a propose plan"

" as a proposed plan"

A while back HP mian had mentioned US interest in the Khyber, yesterday the news came out of US training a new paramilitary force in that region as a propose plan which will involve hundreds of US troops on the ground in the northern region, inside Pakistan. Similar "training" will also be conducted in the Baluchistan region, to provide support to bombing missions inside Iran from there, conducted by the US possibly under the Israeli flag to control fallout. US military bases in these two regions are all but certain during the future periods covering the rest of your lives, with or without Pakistan...

#97 - krashid I think this would be a fair response to your point.

The Takfiri brand of Secularism
http://www.chowk.com/ilogs/64095/47408


"Hamidm wife may be like Columbo's wife."

I think that would explain his lack of interest in her and spending all his time posting here at Chowk.

Zyxius.
Hamidm wife may be like Columbo's wife. Nobody has ever seen her.
Although I agree that religious sensibility is important. But don't you agree that people have done a lot in the name of religion. I call it "Kabutri" or female pigeon. One of my friend well versed in religion would say "Kabutri Ko dekh kur Billi Key Munh mey Paani AA jata Hai' "When a cat sees a female pigeon its mouth waters".
It may be excessive and somewhat sarcastic style, but I did not see any misfact (misopinion is different). How you defend it? He did mention that Muslims are beheading and killing Muslims in the name of Islam. He did mention that Muhammad PBUH did Jahad.
I have my opinions on these, but whatever is done in the name of Islam may not be Islam or Islamic teaching. Now the freedom movement in Iraq, Palestine, Afghanistan and Kashmir on another board is being labelled as terrorist movements with three occupying forces labelled as fighting terrorism. Take your pick. Who knows how much blowing up is done at the behest of occupying forces in the name of Islam.

tahmed writes "Here is a suggestion: Why dont you limit your posts to calling me (or anyone else you feel like) a fool or a peon of the west?

This way we both come out ahead "

Usual diatribe we have come to expect from the hamid/tahmed duo, when stumped by facts invent strawmen in order to discredit your opponents valid arguments (his starwman was " no sparrow will fall without the US elite wanting it"- when my arguments dont present them as omnipotent just powerful to get a greater probability of success in what they want), and their other dimwitted tactic is that they will totally ignore the points raised in the post and throw irrelevant stuff in for distraction purposes, revealing that their intellect is not only narrow but so is their morality because they understand the shortcomings of their ideas but wont own up to that....

krashid...any subject, including relgion may be debated and questioned and that is no problem at all. The problem lies in the quality of the debate....hurling insults, name calling, unfair stereotyping and out and out offensive language is no way to discuss anything. Hamidm has a tendency to insult and offend rather than discuss. If its ok to call the Prophet (Pbuh) names and insult muslims and Islam the way he has been, its just as fair to question how much of a "fan" his wife was when she was his "classmate". Imran is a stud with a reputation and Hamidm seems to spend more time on Chowk than with his wife....he may be crying for help...thats all.

Re: # 93
Religon is not a private matter to all those who are intolerant to other peoples' faith...
And intolerance spreads hatred.....
Regarding myself, I am not religous...
I merely tried to say that we need to be tolerant....
I am sorry if I offended you by saying that religous tolerance and keeping lips tight about religon is a prudent practice....
Regarding my views well I have said I am not bending backwards to prove that I am secular....
And you have therefore every right to be skeptical...
And it is good that you are.....
it is nice humbling expereince...
That is all...
I have nothing to add further....

Hamidm2
Urfi Tu mendesh uz Ghoghae Raqiban
Awaze Sagan Kum Na Kunud Rizq Gada Ra.
Don't be dishearted by cries of rivals
Dogs barking does not decrease sustenance of beggars.
I am sceptical of scepticals credentials as liberal and secular.
Religion is private if the proclamators of religion pronounce it as such. Take the heat and defend it. When did the religion became a private matter.

Re: # 91
Yes I think some people need to understand that religon is also a sensitve matter just like their spouse....

Skeptical...I think you are right on.

Re: # 89

skeptical,

shame on you! ....... i have never missed eid prayers

Look Mr Hamid
as I said earlier...
I am not religous...
I was merely trying to tell you that insulting any ones religon is not going to "terminate" extremism....
Rather it would further add fire to it....
Go on keep on coming up with these posts...
They wont bother me that much....
I do not even offer Eid prayers....
But let me tell you again....
Secularism means tolerating others....
Extremism and hatred breeds extremism and hatred....
And that is all..
Being Skeptical I have flexible opinions and I do not believe in bending myself backwards to convince others that I am secular....
Once again Mr Hamid....
I know you are desperate to answer me.....
Because your whole purpose of existence is to just see who has answered your posts...
And then you come up with this long tirade....
Stop pretending that you are a secular....
People like you do not even know what secularism is all about...
I have nothing more to add....
And much to your disappointment no matter what you come up in your next ( understandbly one sided extremist) post, I wont answer...
You are not a liberal or a secular despite your desperate attempts to look like one...
You are not even worth indulging in an argument with.....
I have learnt my lesson...
You learn yours......
Lets not argue anymore Mr Hamid....
We are different...
Although you would say that you are better....
Ok than you are better.....
We are not arguing anymore on Chowk....
I am too low intellect and narrow minded for a "bright" "secular" "liberal" "intellectual" like you...

skeptical mian ........ don't worry, here is a solution:

how to stop the bombing (and other bad things) ............... a conversation between al-lah and gabby

(as usual, al-lah and his favorite angel gabby are sitting are sitting on cushions of fluffy clouds eating peyote pakoras and sipping date wine made from the famous dates of mecca that gabby collects on his now infrequent trips to the desert ?? actually he hasn?t been down there for the past fifteen hundred years ? not since he went down to talk to mo of the quraish )

gabby (preening his wings with his beak) : al-lah mian why do you look so morose ?............ what?s with the long face? ............. are you okay ? i hope these pakoras are not making you sick; you look kind of peaked; maybe it is the wine ? it is almost fifteen hundred years old and I think it is time to brew a fresh batch ........... can I go to mecca .......please, oh, please ...........

al-lah (sighing): gabby, you are such a fool ? all you think about is wine and pakoras ........ there are so many bigger things to worry about in all these parallel universes that even i can?t keep track of them ............ by the way which universe is earth on ?

gabby : jesus christ ! you are getting old ! ....... it is on u371a ......... why, what is the matter ?

al-lah: hey ! don?t take my son?s name in vain unless you want a good whipping ...........

gabby (sheepishly): sorry ....... i just worry about you ? is there anything i can do ?

al-lah: i need to find out who set off that bomb in karachi ? these suicide bombers are giving me a bad name ........... did we order these people to go out and kill and maim in my name ?

gabby (fluttering his wings in exasperation): ............ actually we did !....... look al-lah mian, no offense, but we have had this conversation many times before ............. let me remind you that i told you that we should have reigned in muhammad when he went on the war path against the folks in mecca and khyber and anyone else who didn?t listen to your message .......... i know, i know.......... it was all for a good cause and the bleeding bedouins needed to be dissuaded from burying their daughters and marrying their mothers, but we set a bad precedent ................ i told you to send down a verse or two on brotherly (and sisterly) love and understanding instead of urging mo to go on a holy war path against your enemies ........... bad move ? all this would never have happened if you had told his followers that killing was bad, period ..............

al-lah : bad move ? ! .......... my dear gabby, i think you forget that a couple of hundred years earlier i had sent down my own son with a message of love and peace ? telling people to turn the other cheek and love their fellow man like a brother ?? and do you know what happened ?

gabby: they got the message ? at least in san francisco !

al-lah: ha, ha! ......... very funny !....... no they did not ? as a matter of fact the imbeciles nailed my kid to a crucifix and then went out to kill and maim for the next thousand years ?............remember the inquisition ?...... I don?t remember telling my son to go out and burn people who did not believe in him as their savior ........... actually i don?t even remember telling him that he was the savior - the poor kid could barley take care of himself with the jews clamoring for his blood and that spineless man pontius refusing to stand up to these horrible people ............

gabby: okay, okay........... i get your point ........... but what are we going to do about these mad mullahs going on a rampage, blowing up cars and killing people just because they think you told them it is okay to do so ..........

al-lah (throwing up his arms) : i never said any such thing ......... the verses in the koran were time and instance specific ? everyone know that ..........

gabby: no they don?t ? only tahmed knows it and nobody listens to him ............

al-lah: who the heck is tahmed ? i thought we were not sending down any more prophets .............. have you been talking to people without my permission ?

gabby (looking a little guilty) : you know, i would never do that ........... i know better; i don?t want to end up like cousin iblees ? it is hot down there and they only serve vegetarian food ............... tahmed is just one of many sensible people that mo?s followers don?t listen too because you made such a mess out of the book ? and may i remind you again that i told you this would happen .........now you have people like masadi and mullah omar and osama who are running away with the message and blowing up people because they think that?s what you want ...........

al-lah (looking tired): so what do we do now ?............. and how come they haven?t caught that rascal osama yet ? i thought the americans can see a pimple on a gnat?s behind from fifty miles up in space ...........

gabby: if you want him caught, why don?t you?........... you can do anything you want ...... i don?t have to remind you that you are the big kahuna and omnieverything ..............

al-lah (smiling): don?t be silly ? you know we decided a long time ago not to interfere with free will and freedom of choice ............. and besides, i don?t have the time to mess around with one little planet circling one little star among billions and billions of stars in one little galaxy among billions and billions of galaxies .......

gabby (happily munching on a pakora): you sound like carl sagan ..........

al-lah (quizzical) : who the heck is carl sagan? ........ was he a prophet ?........ hey, this peyote is pretty darn good ? i think you should go down to mexico and get some more before the dea goes out and sprays the desert and kills this wonderful stuff that I have created ? you know, i am tired of people killing what took me billions and billions of years to create .............

gabby (sighing): are we back to the bombing in karachi ......... if you want, we can sent down another prophet to tell these imbeciles to stop it ..........

al-lah: no, no ........ we can?t do that .......... remember the last time we tried to do it with joseph smith and mirza ghulam ahmed ?

gabby : well, the mormons turned out okay even though you sent that slacker moroni instead of me ............

al-lah (looking at gabby with a twinkle in his eye): you were sick, remember? ....... but you are right, the mormons did turn out okay even though they killed poor joe and his brother.........

gabby: aw shucks! ....don?t feel guilty ? they are doing fine ........ we gave them a hundred and forty virgins each instead of the usual seventy virgin quota for martyrs ........... al-lah mian, that reminds me, we are running out of virgins .............

al-lah (frowning as if in deep thought): you know, my dear gabby, maybe we should repeal the virgin law ?? i think that will cut down on the killing and mayhem ...........

gabby (looking a little under the influence): but how do we do that without sending down another prophet now that you have banned theophanies of all type ...........

al-lah: think, gabby, think ......... all you do is sit around, drink wine and complain ........... we must do something to stop these people from killing each other ......... poor muhammad is feeling really bad about this ? he feels that he is responsible, even though i keep on telling him that it is not really his fault ? osman is the real culprit for not hiring the right scribes ............ even emma did a better job for joe when that rascal harris ran off with the script ...............

gabby (suddenly brightening up): i know what we can do !........ we can put out a public service announcement on al-jazeerah, geo, ary, indus and al-arabia telling the people that god wants them to stop blowing up things ...........

al-lah (affectionately throwing is arms around gabby): gabby, you are brilliant !............ let?s do it !

Re: # 86

skeptical mian,

... religion is not a 'personal' matter when you condemn people who do not share in your beliefs to hell fire and damnation, sentence apostates to death, stone people for adultery, persecute ahmedis and other heretics, wage war in the name of a bedouin diety and generally become a pain in the keester for the rest mankind ........ your sexual orientation is a personal matter as long as you don't abuse your neighbor's sheep .........

........ islam, like the medieval catholicism and nazism of the past century, is not a personal matter .......

Re: # 82
and furthermore Mr Hamid you got sensitive when some one poked at your wife....
You think that marriage is a personal matter....
If you are rational, try to understand that religon is also a personal matter....
When u try to insult a religon....
For many it is a personal matter...
Just like a jibe on Mrs hamid is "not nice" to you....
May be an insult to Islam is not nice to Zyxius....
Frankly depite being extremely non religous...
And left wing.....
I would rather support Mr Zyxius....
than a psuedo secular like you....

Re: # 78 Posted by masadi on November 18, 2007 11:13:29 am

[You still don't have a clue about me.] Nobody does.

Re: # 82
Although Mr Hamid I am not religous at all but I would rather still say that insulting any ones religon is bad and for most of us religon becomes a matter of identity particularly when it is attacked. Einstien was an ethiest but he became a "jew" when taunted.....
So have some sense and try to merely understand that religon is a sensitive matter. Even Einstien became religous despite not believing in God. What are you in front of him....

masadi #80: you call me a fool in your post and that is the only part of your post that makes any sense. Since no doubt compared to billions of people on this planet, I am no doubt a fool in one way or another.

The rest of your post is your usual gibberish about the evil "US elite" without whose knowledge and permission a sparrow will not fall dead.

Here is a suggestion: Why dont you limit your posts to calling me (or anyone else you feel like) a fool or a peon of the west?

This way we both come out ahead - You come out ahead because no one will realize that aside from calling others names, you have only gibberish to contribute. And so many will assume you know something they dont. I come out ahead because people read my posts more carefully to understand why you, the geo-strategic genius, think I am a fool.

What say you?? Do we have a deal??

Re: # 81

zyxius,

... don't get your underpants all in tied up in knots ..... let me see if i can answer your objections :

... firstly, i didn't say my wife was imran's class-mate (he is too old and she would be really offended if i said that) , she was actually his sister's classmate ....... and of course, like all women (and some men) she likes him him ..... you can't hold that against me ..

..... second, i really don't want to kill anyone with a beard (unless it is a goat for eid) .... i simply want the americans and the pak army to take care of these crazy mullahs who stand between me and a nice vacation in swat ...... so you can't blame for that either - they are bad for the tourism industry

..... as for insulting islam, i think as a muslim i have the right to do so ....... since i had the misfortune to be born a muslim, there is nothing i can do about it ........ i would change my religion but we all know that the punishment for apostasy is death and i would like to keep my head attached to my shoulders ...... do you blame me? ....... if you guys were a little bit more civilzed about it i would have reverted to the religion of grandpa gopinat and taken to relieving myself on the railroad tracks .......

...... what else? .... i hope that answers your questions .... and please leave mrs hamidm out of this, it is not nice ...

# 70 Hamidm; the inconsistent and rambling idiot who dare not speak in public.

Hamid, I've been reading your bs for a few days and I have to say that I think you are really a spineless coward who just gets his kicks out of saying things on the net that he doesnt have the balls to utter elsewhere. Below is a selection of your recent posts in which you say all kinds of stupid things ranging from your plans to kill bearded people, to your fear of taking this macho attitude of your on Chowk anywhere else except this site...no appetite for reality?

You also seem to be awfully confused and the victim of an identity crisis. You also said elsewhere that your wife was Imran Khan's "classmate" and was a "fan" of his. Is this double-speak for your wife has diddled Imran before? Don't be upset....Imran's really been around and if your wife was his "classmate" and is his "fan"...she would be one of many. I guess its tough when you are a new immigrant to the US going through an identity crisis and your wife compares you to studs that you just can't compare to...maybe she's even diddling someone at the office and is never home...so poor Hamidm spends all his time on Chowk letting his anger out in other way...lashing out on the net.

You say "we muslims" and you also talk about Islam as if you have nothing to do with it and you insult the Prophet (Pbuh) and the Quran. You admit your own hypocrisy repeatedly here...when you visit Pakistan you change your appearance because you are a little sissy. It shows that you don't know what the hell you are talking about because that is not even an issue here....spend some time Karachi this shaadi season and you will find plenty of hot girls dressed all sorts of ways. But its funny that you talk about killing people with beards, yet you....you know what...you're not even worth it. Just keep on bullshitting...you have little else in life anyway.

"..... i am very consistent .... i never threatened to kill anyone personally"



"how to start a revolution and kill a mullah

Re: # 75

kuntakinte,

..... i really like the idea of an ataturk-like revolution where we can eliminate everyone with a beard and a pet sheep overnight"

"Re: # 90

zyxius,

... we are not talking about killing people, we are talking about killing mullahs ..."


"i am talking about killing 'vermin' with beards ..... people and vermin - they are not the same thing .... how do you know vermin? ...... well, it is like pornography - you know it when you see it .....a beard, maswak, bad body odor, a pet sheep on a leash, shaven armpits, a tasbeeh, the mark of the devil on the forehead, bruised and calloused ankles, a lota, mumbling in arabic and a suicide belt are all good indicators ....."


"..... no, i will not stand in the middle of the street in pakistan and voice my opinions about the prophet (pbuh and his camel) because i do not want to be beheaded ..... as a matter of fact, when i am i pakistan, i always carry a tasbeeh, use a twig to brush my teeth, and never pee standing up ..... i am not a fool ...."


"..... zyxius mian, wake up and smell the kava - we muslims are in big trouble and we don't even know it ...."

"..... and before someone objects to this discourse, let me say that this discussion is more relevant and definitely more intellectually stimulating than discussing the khilafat and the rantings of an illiterate prohet holed up in a cave" .........

tahmed writes "hamidm #70 jehadis are musharraf's job security"

Like I said, this fool will only present half the picture and the source he will ignore because it presents the objects of his worship, the US elite in a bad light.

Jihadis are Musharraf's job security just as they are "security" for the US elite in order to carry on a continuous WOT, and rob the American people and the world. In this facade in which the Jihadis play this sinister role of keeping the tyrants in business, Musharraf happens to be a very small and quite dispensible/disposable player as we are finding out...

tahmed writes " If people through history had limited their goals to matching the "past", we would still be living in caves. Hope this answers your questions, my friend"

Here is another fool who doesn't have a clue about anything, his intellect goes to the extent of repeating US propaganda and taking sides that the US has chosen out of convenience for its barbaric motives. He is against Musharraf not becuase he came to power illegally and has helped destroy Pakistan's political institutions and weakened its solidarity and acted like a barbarian- no that is not the reason he opposes him, he opposes him only because he has fallen out of favor with the US.

Now, regarding his (non) point about history: people don't limit their goals to matching history, history determines in the absence of revolutions what your goals can be because of institutional persistence- that is how socieites at different levels of organization work, otherwise you get an Iraq, a failed state where regardless of the vision of anyone, your ability to achieve any goal is zero. Get it fool.

szaman writes "I had no idea you are so full of hate"

You still don't have a clue about me. Exposing your stupidity about "The US is not calling the shots in Pakistan" because of fuel supplies for Nato, does not amount to "hate", neither does it say anything about my "Islam" nor does it reveal that I am an "unwashed fanatic"- what is does reveal is that narrowminded ignoramuses like yourself cannot stand being exposed as fools.....

#76 CreateAlpha: If people through history had limited their goals to matching the "past", we would still be living in caves. Hope this answers your questions, my friend.

tahmed yaar, responsible gov't in Pakistan? Have you ever had one?

hamidm #70 jehadis are musharraf's job security. take away musharraf's job and put in place a responsible government (not another tinpot general), and jehadis will disappear.

Just keep on blaming anyone and anything, but at all costs avoid looking in the mirror. That would be difficult, right?

And if someone points to the sectarian violence in NWFP, and you don't have a logical answer to it, just side step it and move on to the next issue.

masadi

I had no idea you are so full of hate. It says quite a bit about you and your Islam. Only if the civilized world knew how to get rid of you unwashed fanatics.

hamid writes " so, tell me ... is the us elite responsible for all the internecine slaughter that has been taking place within the ummah since the time of the abominable four?"

Don't try to invent straw men in order to pervert my extremely spot on arguments regarding the US power structure and its elite post WW2. Regarding the claim that you are "very consistent"- the only thing you are consistent in is parroting the base propaganda of Bush like morons, and not even that of the sophisticated members of the US elite....

hamid writes " so, tell me ... is the us elite responsible for all the internecine slaughter that has been taking place within the ummah since the time of the abominable four?"

Don't try to invent straw men in order to pervert my extremely spot on arguments regarding the US power structure and its elite post WW2. Regarding the claim that you are "very consistent"- the only thing you are consistent in is parroting the base propaganda of Bush like morons, and not even that of the sophisticated members of the US elite....

Re: # 68

zyxius,

..... i am very consistent .... i never threatened to kill anyone personally - all i did was offer to pay for the hellfire missiles with my tax dollars ..... unlike you jihadis, i am not a fool - i don't have to blow myself up for my cause when i can afford to pay for remote controlled technology ......

Re: # 68

Right on dude... Bring them on... Bring the yankees on to pakiland... Wait a minute, I thought they are already in there... guarding your nuke sites[so nytimes says], monitoring passenger list at your airports... hell-firing tribals once a while...

Don't worry about injuns and chinese... you just enjoy the "show"...

#66 - mohar...you seem to have a big stick up your ass over Pakistan. Maybe you should realize that the reason the US wants to be situated here is to be in a better position to give it to you Injuns and Chinese next. Thats how their strategy usually works.

As far as sending in their own guys is concerned, I am saying that rather than others falling into their trap and fighting their wars for them, we should force them to do their dirty deeds themselves. Idealistic? I know. I think it is actually worth the devastating cost to have the Americans get it our of their system and have their sons & daughters sent home in body bags wholesale. Besides, they are so damned tied up in Iraq and the planning for Iran is at an advanced stage...so I doubt very much they have enough free hands or the public appetite to do anything more than bitch about it and cut off aid. No amount of aid is worth a civil war in your country....it contradicts the purpose of the term aid. American aid is more like a slow working poison which is sure to kill.

Hamidm....I think you should grow a pair and speak in your beliefs in public before you try to be a hero from the safety of your computer. One day you're making threats to kill all bearded people, force surgical procedures on the population etc. Another time you admitted that you are a cowardly sissy who wouldn't dare speak what he thinks in public, but you fancy yourself as the next Ataturk. Take some medication and shut up man...there is no point talking to people who don't even have the balls to be consistent.

Re: # 65

30 faithfuls killed,130 injured in one day?... hmmm, it took us weeks to have that kind of kill-rate in kashmir, even at the height of jihad...

Well, you pakis are way ahead of us on this... we can never match your kill-rate on muslims...

Re: # 61
[...I say we make them send their guys in so we can enjoy the show and watch more dumb hicks die for their Jewish masters...]

Yeah, good idea... Make americans send in their guys to pakiland... make them send in the marines and the daisy-cutters... it will be a great show indeed... :)

masadi and zyxius,

... so, tell me ... is the us elite responsible for all the internecine slaughter that has been taking place within the ummah since the time of the abominable four? ........ what about karbala and now parachinar? .....

PARACHINAR: At least 30 people were reported killed and another 130 wounded in sectarian violence in Parachinar city of Kurram Agency on Saturday, locals and hospital sources said.

Fighting between the Sunni and Shia sects erupted after unidentified militants hurled a hand-grenade at the central mosque in Parachinar, where hundreds of Sunnis were offering Friday prayers.

............ i think it is the nature of the beast

Masadi sahib

Re: 63

No point in blaming Jayp alone. Most Injuns are peons of the West.

Regards

Jayp, you need to get an education, detaching facts from their roots in social structure and trying to understand them as patterns by themselves, blaming it on "reading a book"- is the most absurd nonsense that anyone has spewed here, you are a close second to the tahmed hamid duo in being a "US propaganda parroter without an ounce of thought" all for the purpose of soothing your bigotry....

Madani saab,

You cannot blaming the US for everything, simply because it does not help the pakistanis.

At some stage you have to take responsibility and do something about it. If the educated like you do nothing, then the jihadis and teh Us will do it to you.

As you are busy blaming the US, listen carefully,

Only a 100 Kn from Islamabad, the video stores are being blown up, the barber shops are being shut down, the posters calling for jihad are coming up through out pakistan.

The bomb is the biggest handicap for pakistan, the world will not let pakistan in peace. How about lobbying for the Korean option.

I'm afraid in Pakistan the US has the top generals of the Pak army as their errand boys, while amongst the politicians they have a wide selection of traitors with vast experience in the manipulation of their people/sheeple. If not the hijacking of our democracy by the army, then we have feudals, and if not the feudals, we have robber-baron businessmen, and if not them, we have fanatic secularists who are out of touch with Pakistan but fancy themselves as the next Ataturks (poor losers), and if not them we have our munafiq leaders leaders like Fazloo who spend their spare time in brothels in Dubai and a day at the office involves making fools of his own constituency, and if not them, we have the terrorists at MQM....we could go on.

Divide and rule, divide and rule, divide and rule....they've been doing it to us for hundreds of years and we still fall for the same shit again and again. If we had any sense at all we would finally wake up and smell the coffee and realize that the best option for us is to accept anything that is stable for now so that we can at least get on our feet to the point that our President/PM don't have to remove the US President's member from his mouth before being able to address his own people. We shouldn't have to take dictates from others...that should be our top priority rather than some fantasy democracy that we are too ill-equipped to bring about in this screwed up country.

Movements for an independent judiciary and freedom of the media are again going so far as to divide our country yet again and enabling foreign interest to dictate what our country must do. Bibi is acknowledging our slave status when she keeps coming on various media to address the US government and people to "bring regime change in Pakistan", "threaten the cut off of aid and military assistance", look to her as the only democratic and secular option for Pakistan...etc.

Now we have morons like this Akmal Hussain guy writing this article which obviously totally ignores the role that "Collateral Damage", Kidnappings, and the War on Terror have had to play in creating the violence we see in these areas. It smells like the same crap that the New York Times and other Zionist mouthpieces were shoving down the throats of the American public to fraudulently push them into war with Iraq on behalf of Israel, the military/industrial complex and the oil industry. Don't kid yourself Mr Hussain, you don't even have the talent to be a bullshitter like those guys....you may as well create iLogs like the rest of us....that would be a more appropriate place for incomplete ramblings and random thoughts.

Watch these legions of misguided fools create a civil war in Pakistan. Who do you think is going to be laughing all the way to the bank? Only the Americans benefit from this because it leaves us killing each other and fighting American wars in our area without them even having to send their boots on the ground. I say we make them send their guys in so we can enjoy the show and watch more dumb hicks die for their Jewish masters.

Divide and rule!

In #59 read "The Pakistan Army does not call any "shots", ..."

that is relative to the Americans, on the local scene, on behalf of the Americans, they call all the shots...

szaman writes "Without Pakistan’s support, Nato and America in Afghanistan are doomed.....there is no alternative to that..."

Another fool thinks that just because he had read something in a newspaper that is all what is needed to guage America's strength in the region. You mean to tell me if Musharraf had said NO post 9/11 to American demands they would have put their WOT on hold because the Pakistan Army is calling the shots and not America: are you a fool. If the US was really interested in Afghanistan, rather than it being a mere distraction, you would have seen the scale they have used in Iraq. You also forget that bordering Afghanistan are Turkmenistan,Uzbekistan and Tajikistan each have US military bases, and it is not much of a problem for the US to take over your Northern areas by force of arms to use that very route without "use" of the Pakistan military- not a problem for it at all, when a few rag tags over there can have your entire military on the run...

The Pakistan Army does not call any "shots", neither do the Americans need them except for convenience of use and give them payoffs for that which they lap up like leeches sucking the blood of the nation. The Americans demand and your military hops to.

tahmed -- this is indeed a naked government of naked musharraf, by naked musharraf, for naked musharraf".

With Geo gone the emperor has no clothes -- not even a fig leaf -- to cover his macho chuhiya.

As a long time subscriber of Geo -- Musharraf makes me so mad. First he stole an elected government -- then he hijacked the Supreme Court -- this time he ran away with our GEO channel?

This is too much -- the kleptomaniac is an incorrigibly unreformed thief -- totally wasted -- Democracy has no future with this man in Pakistan -- Musharraf must resign.

nasah: he is a "paranoid schizophrenic extremist" this week. last week he was a megalomaniac, comparing himself to napoleon. and a comedian, comparing himself to lincoln ("government of the people, by the people and for the people" being replaced by "government of musharraf, by musharraf, and for musharraf").

God bless the brave people of Pakistan. May the become more united in their just struggle for democracy.

"it is a fact that ppp is a legitimate political party with strong grass root support ..... hopefully, she has learned a lesson from her past misadventures and will be more democratic and less corrupt..... i also hope that she will dump zardari soon - the man is a huge liability and is not a good role model for her children ....

....... other than that, i hope pml-n and ppp can form a coalition government and reach some kind of understanding with mqm in karachi ...... they can then ship qazi and fazloo to guantanamo, make imran khan the president of the cricket control board, throw chaudary shujaat husain in jail for stealing cattle, and make pervez welahi the sho of tibbi thana where he can collect bhatta from the ladies of heera mandi" (HAMIDM MIAN)

I knew it -- you were -- and still are a bleeding heart crypto liberal -- plus a closet PPP light pink socialista ....

for a moment thought you changed your spots post Emergency -- what a relief!

Geo also changed my view about Musharraf! Musharraf has to quit -- enlightened moderation or unenlightened regression.

Geo proves Musharraf is a paranoid schizophrenic extremist.

Now Musharraf has to do -- yet another reinstatement. How many times the nauseating gentleman has to lick his own vomit?

On a much serious post, this is my prediction.

The bogus SC formed under PCO renders its judgment that Mush, as President is legitimate. Mush removes his uniform, and Kiani becomes COAS. But, PCO is still in place that only the President can abolish. Kiani would use this to remove the civilian President, and continue as COAS for the foreseeable future. Then, a new selection process would begin to continue with the same military-mullah alliance, and masadi continues claiming that US elite is doing to Pakistan by installing western peons as rulers. This drama never seems to end in Pakistan.

Re: # 53 Posted by hamidm2 on November 17, 2007 7:35:46 pm

you are just too funny, when it comes to masadi. I, too, hope that masadi gets a good women to take care of him.

As for Pakistani politics, I agree with your thoughts insofar as Kiani goes. As for Mush, the poor fellow has gone beserk with his statement regarding Dr. Jackyle and Mr. Hide. I agree with Mush, that most Pakistanis have this personality disorder of being "haathee kay daant, dekhaney kay kouch aur, khaney kay kouch aur". He just blurted it out. The funniest of all was his statement that "has he gone mad?" I would have said, "Yes, Mr. President, you have." But, this poor jurnail, all he knows is how to be haughty with his tone of voice and word choice. I wonder how his wife takes him and that poor bilal in Boston. He must be wondering where to send him when he comes to Boston for retirement. Frankly, hamid, I think with that tone of voice starbucks employee will definitely kick this idiot out of their store. Mush does not have the mannerism to be in america.

Re: # 52

bubba mian,

... what i meant was that if kiani thinks that by staying on musharraf will hurt the army's future, he might want to be the one to preside over the third phase of mushy's transition to democracy ...... that way the politicians will be beholden to him and he can contiue to grow the fauji corn flakes business and get a few more plots in defence for him and his cronies ......... personally, i think that musharraf should just hang it up, take over the pml-q and, who knows, he could actually get elected as the pm in five years - you'd be surprised, there are a lot of people in pakistan who genuinly like him ..... and after five years of benazir, nawaz, fazloo and imran khan, he might not look all that bad .......

..... as for masadi, i think what he needs is a good woman (or a boy if that's what rocks his boat) ...... it is sad to see a young man running around trying to bite his own tail ....

Re: # 51 Posted by hamidm2 on November 17, 2007 6:48:10 pm

hamid,

[.... the only constant will be masadi barking up the wrong tree ........]. I agree with you on this one. So, what are you going to do about your favorite person?

So what are smoking these days? In the same post you wrote:

[... i don't think kiani is going to take over from musharraf unless he is a bigger fool than his boss ......]

And then you write

[..... it is also possible that kiani might be able to convince him to cut his losses and take a trip to boston .........]

Are the two not the same? or are you getting romairized?

i think what you need is romance in your life, and not romaired. what do you say?

Re: # 47

bubba,

... i don't think kiani is going to take over from musharraf unless he is a bigger fool than his boss ......

.... in the next couple of days musharraf will take off his uniform and become the president of pml-q ..... he might even give up the presidency because the fool that he is, he honestly believes that he can win the election and become pm ....... i don't know if that is possible without massive rigging, but it will be intersting ..... it is also possible that kiani might be able to convince him to cut his losses and take a trip to boston .........

........ anything is possible in the coming few weeks .... it will be interesting .... the only constant will be masadi barking up the wrong tree ........

sheikh rashid zindabad !

Re: # 49

urstruly,

.... uh? ... what does that prove?....

....... look, nobody likes musharraf here, but you have to do better than this to make a case against him ........ i am pissed off at him for taking away my only source of entertainment - geo and ary - but i don't think he had anything to do with silly stuff like this .... i suspect masadi

The new low - Check out what this dictator that is the bulldog of American masters have lowered himself down to.

In the similar way the napak fouj's paid agents have dorrupted many Pakistani blog sites in the last 3-5 days.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWtEsxjO2sE&feature=related

Re: # 47

kiyani is sending jehadis to india to divert attention- india please watch out - the jehad is going to increase!!

Just forget it. General Kiani is taking over the rule from the current idiot, and the nukes are safe, and the aid package from the US will continue. And our mad masadi will continue getting under hamid’s skin with his us elite, and we will continue to have fun at chowk.

BB’s deal with mushy will become null and void, and kiyani will create his own farce for the next few years. After all kiyani is from the ISI. Who else could safegaurd the most important Pakistani assets?

Re: # 44

You're sooo right Dost_Mittre.

In life, we have to be carefull what we say, because chickens do come home to roost. I hope, for the sake of the innocent, that this period passes by without too much termoil.

I think in Pakistan, as in many other places, the time to do some soul searching has come. You cannot feed the snake on your neighbors lawn because you hate your neighbor. That snake could turn around and enter your own yard. I don't know how long it will take for every individual to know that LIVE AND LET LIVE is in his own best interest, matterially and spritually.

"The boy tackled the roti by first nibbling at its crisp circumference. He would then presumably make forays into the soft centre to pick up a boorki (morsel)."

What if Roti were inflamable? And got heated up burst into flames? Then boy could burn to death. No?

"he Pakistan military, a considerably more formidable foe has not yet been brought into full play."

It may be a more formidable foe but bringing it into full play also won't be without risk. When an army whose motto is "jihad in the name of Allah" is asked to face those who are known to be fighting for that very cause, it would put tremendous stress on the discipline of the army. The security forces people who surrendered without a fight did not do so because they lacked weapons or discipline or for the incentive of receiving Rs. 500.

The writer has rightly seen the axis of evil that is ripping apart the soul of Pakistani nation: Al Qaeda-Taliban! To this, however, must also be added the invasion of the Roman and Assyrian Empires by barbarian tribes. In the latter case, the state came as a result of its overstretch and indulgence in foreign wars -- thus leaving important flanks open -- came tumbling down by the ambush of the evil tribes.

A similar distraction from the core issue of the security of the state is currently seen in Pakistan due to the power-hunger of Gen. Musharraf resulting in the overstretch of the military machine. The battle of ideologies has apparently and understandably been won by the nihilistic armies of AlQaeda-Taliban which are no different than the Gog and Magog with their deep-seated hatred of modernity which must be eliminated before they eliminate the civilization!

The religious parties in Pakistan have been quite naively condoning the spread of ´Sharia` by the Gog and Magog not knowing that what is being spread by these monsters in not any religious law but barbarianism. They must’ve the foresight to see that danger that these ´Khawarajeens` of our time pose to civilization and consequently must declare total jihad against them. One can't and shouldn’t overlook here the connection between the Talibans and the Pashtun man’s psychology which remains backward looking and fearing any change in the tribal culture. But the majority of Pakistan remains alien to this barbarian culture and therefore the total war against the armies of evil must be unleashed. The battle is not to be won by the paramilitary forces -- as has been correctly suggested by the author – but by the professionally trained military. The fact that these monsters have no respect for life gives the Pakistani state to even use bio-chemical weapons against these barbarians – to fulfil their desire of ´Shahada` and to save the costly lives of Pakistani soldiers.

RE: # 34 hamid mian

You are correct in questioning BB's past but as you have

mentioned already, the PPP is a REAL part with REAL support

in Pakistan.

On the other hand I am not overly critical of General

Musharraf either. He has not been a tough dictator and

has only recently been making a series of mistakes.

The hope was that there could be some kind of understanding

between BB and the General (PM) to make room for Mian Nawaz

Sharif to return also because elections without both

BB and Nawaz would not exactly be fair in the democratic

sense.

I like democracy because I live in a democratic country

(watch masadi get all worked up).

This "Democratic Wave" has the same forces behind it as

the "Dictatorial Wave" of the hypocritical past. But in any

case, the inclusion of the people is important in Pakistani

decision-making today. I just hope that the General will

listen.

I am not gloating over his difficulties today. I wish him

well and congratulate Shaukat Aziz whom we all

affectionately call "Shortcut" for a job well done.

It is time for PM to ride the democratic wave and not fight

it. And there is no reason to call for his blood.

The man deserves our respect for making several right

decisions till March 07. The last November 3rd decision was

plain bad.


RE: #33 malik99

You are half right. I have been away too long and am too

old now anyway to be taken seriously. I saw ZAB pick up the

pieces of "The New Pakistan" and then left the country.

The PPP on the other hand is a genuine party with quite a

following. I wish that Imran had that kind of a vote bank

so we could have him lead the democratic wave today too.

Benazir and Nawaz both have large vote banks. Let us hope

that they are not into revenge politics and that the

democratic transition can happen with Kiani leading the

uniforms.

Like I have written before, I do not have a champion in

Pakistan. I am not even a has been there. But I do support

the PPP because it has survived this long along

with its genuine vote bank.

My sights are actually on elections in the USA next year.

Ras

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#32 - Hey H,

I've been noticing some of your posts and you are definitely not the guy who gets to give that speech; you have more red flags than anyone else on this site. With my flare for diplomacy though, I'm sure you and I will be neck and neck pretty soon...whaddaya think R-ASS?

#34 Ras

"For Benazir Bhutto:

Jab Tuk Pakistan Rahay Ga

Bhutto Tera Naam Rahay Ga

BB does not listen to my advice
but I hope that she gets this message anyway."

You hope she gets this message.....what are you delusional? I guess that kind of explains what world you live in.

As far as the first part of your statement goes, she probably would have been happy for you to be part of the human shield outside her bomb proof bus at her welcome back party.

I am stunned that anyone with a little education and half a brain would be so stupid and subservient as to say
"Jab Tuk Pakistan Rahay Ga

Bhutto Tera Naam Rahay Ga"

How fucking revolting!

Why don't you start a petition to have the country renamed in their honor and the constitution re-written, not just to allow for a 3rd term, but to declare the office fit for Bhuttos only. You are a fucking slave man.

Re: # 27 This is reason to get max benefits by general. General has cornered USA and its army. If their lifeline is gas and Pakistan can squeeze american jugler , gas and service provided by Pakistan. This is time to squeeze America force them to deliver Kashmir to pakistan just as Surbia was bombed in to submission by usa bomber. Force USA to act against India and force them India into Submissiom and give back Kashmir to Pakistan. At same time make USA forced Puppet man Karzai to agree to Durand line and two birds can be killed in one stone. This gamble and need to be paid to get Kashmir and acceptance of Durand Line, it is better gamble than making open war on india to snatch Kashmir.

Mushy is not a bad guy, really! He has merely reached the terminal stage of all dictators - thinking that (1) he is indispensable, (2) he and only he has all the right ideas, (3) the hand-picked sycophants around him provide good counsel,(4) the world opinion does not matter, and (5) the US will stand by him, no matter what.

None of the above are true, of course.

#30 Posted by hamidm2

"lagda aye jarnail assab pohntra gaya nay!" ... i hope negroponte tried to slap some sense into him .......”

Hahaha!
As they would say in Lalo khet, Karachi. “Abey musaraf Churi kay neechay murghay ki terah pharphra-riya hai !

Re: # 34

ras sahib,

.... even though i do not share your enthusiasm for benazir, it is a fact that ppp is a legitimate political party with strong grass root support ..... hopefully, she has learned a lesson from her past misadventures and will be more democratic and less corrupt..... i also hope that she will dump zardari soon - the man is a huge liability and is not a good role model for her children ....

....... other than that, i hope pml-n and ppp can form a coalition government and reach some kind of understanding with mqm in karachi ...... they can then ship qazi and fazloo to guantanamo, make imran khan the president of the cricket control board, throw chaudary shujaat husain in jail for stealing cattle, and make pervez welahi the sho of tibbi thana where he can collect bhatta from the ladies of heera mandi ........

Re: #32 hamidm sahib, please let the dog bark!

Re: The dog #28 & #31 this message was not for you but once again for your benefit:


For Benazir Bhutto:


"Jab Tuk Pakistan Rahay Ga

Bhutto Tera Naam Rahay Ga"


BB does not listen to my advice
but I hope that she gets this message anyway.

By the way, did you wake up on the wrong side of the bed
this morning kunta?

ras ["Jab Tuk Pakistan Rahay Ga, Bhutto Tera Naam Rahay Ga"]

some people who left Pakistan in the 70s are still frozen in the 1970s. Pakistan has moved on since then. At the minimum it is an indication of their stagnant and ghetto-ish mind which has frozen in time. Or perhaps they engage in these meaningless 70s era slogans because it reminds them of their long lost youth.

but yes, bhutto will be remembered for as long as Pakistan exists - for he was one of those responsible for breaking it up in 1971.

Re: # 31

kuntakinte,

.... i don't know if you have noticed, but inspite of the fact that we have some people like masadi, by and large people on chowk try not to cross that fine line that divides the sacred from the profane .......

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.... i think musharraf is in big trouble - he is beginning to talk like masadi .....

..... and he is beginning to act like a desperate fool! .... as they say, "lagda aye jarnail assab pohntra gaya nay!" ... i hope negroponte tried to slap some sense into him .......

..........he still has the opportunity to let go of the kursi and save whatever little face he has left - bewakoof kahin ka! .......and i am sure bilal mian will be happy to put out some clean towels for him and show him around boston for a while ......... when bilal goes off to work he can go down to the nearest starbucks and watch the 'traffic' - it is not a bad way for a sixty year old man to spend the day ....... and bilal can drop off sehba at the mall where she can shop for gucci bags and chanel sunglasses to keep up with benazir ..... i am sure he can afford it - the government of pakistan will make sure he continues to get his pension as coas ..... if he is lucky, he can also collect his pension as president ... i have a feeling that he came up with this dual office scam for that reason anyway ......

general kiani zindabad !
sheikh rashid zindabad !

Hamid,

It seems that you are mad at masadi. Is it true? Why does an idiotic poster like masadi making you mad?

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America is heavily dependent on Musharraf and Pakistan’s military. Without Pakistan’s support, Nato and America in Afghanistan are doomed. Nato and American forces in Afghanistan need 57,000 gallons of oil a day to keep their tanks and jeeps moving. That oil is supplied by Pakistan. There is no alternative to that. Musharraf and Pakistan’s military has America by the balls. Both Pakistan and America know that. It’s Pakistan’s military that’s calling the shot, not America. Then there is always Iran. America needs Pakistan a lot more than Pakistan needs America. That’s why Musharraf is telling America to take its “superpower” and shove it.

Akmal Sahib Salaams,

This article is accurate and right on the money.

I hope that many people will let what it says sink in.

Glad to note that unlike some of the rest of us

you still maintain your keen eye on the country

and its future.


A couple of lines directed towards BB...


"Jab Tuk Pakistan Rahay Ga

Bhutto Tera Naam Rahay Ga"


Please act accordingly...

articles like these make you understand why just being "literate" does not make you an educated person. you can be literate in the sense of having read books and accumulated degrees, but unless you have the ability to employ reasoning and logic and formulate your opinion by backing it with well thought out evidence, you are no better than those maulvis who doubt men landed on moon.

Hi Masadi,

So you are still around ????

Some staying power that.... amazing.....

Just like the wild asses of the desert....

hamid writes " so you are still on the dole?..... "

Unlike you, I have never been on the dole. I work at a job at a university, demanded my own pay which they accepted because they thought me worthy of it. That university is funded by the US aid (partly), that does not put me on "the dole" and it does not translate into "biting the hand that feeds you"- I do not bite my own hand, I am feeding myself by the grace of God. Get it fool.

Just like the US was directly (seperately) talking to Turkey's military when the civilian government wouldn't allow an invasion of northern Iraq by the US from Turkish soil, and just like it was seperately talking to the military commanders in Iran before the Khomeni revolution to facilitate it- nice setup they have, an armed state inside a state with no army to defend it, a state within a state, the armed one with the colonial power the unarmed one made to submit, in other words states that have indigeneously staffed foreign occupation forces...

Re: # 18

masadi mian,

" have a job thank you in an institution that gets part financing from US aid"

....... so you are still on the dole?..... don't you think it is rather hypocritical to bite the hand that feeds you? .... shame on you - pissing in the plate that you eat from .......

.... and you should be thankful that i am happy to pay for putting you out of your misery - otherwise your family would have to pay for the euthanasia procedure .... god bless them